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Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Dangerous Crossroads: US-NATO To Deploy Ground Troops, Conduct Large Scale Naval Exercises
Posted by: BrerRabbit || 08/29/2014 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  USA wanted an affirmative action POTUS, USA got one.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/29/2014 3:04 Comments || Top||

#2  Wait, the author suggests NATO is about to go to war with the Rooshians? NATO? War? Really?

I think he needs to adjust his tinfoil hat!
Posted by: Bobby || 08/29/2014 8:37 Comments || Top||

#3  In the post-Cold war era, however, nuclear weapons are no longer considered as a “weapon of last resort” under the Cold War doctrine of “Mutual Assured Destruction” (MAD). Quite the opposite. nuclear weapons are heralded by the Pentagon as “harmless to the surrounding civilian population because the explosion is underground”

Written by a liar, whose audience must be idiots.
Posted by: OldSpook || 08/29/2014 20:34 Comments || Top||

#4  Instead of East-vs-West, any alleged new "Cold War" agz the ISIS Caliphate will likely be NORTH-VS-SOUTH, WID THE POTENT ISIS/ISIL CALIPHATE AT THE PROVERBIAL "MASON-DIXON" CENTER-LINE.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/29/2014 22:54 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Let's have a king
[DAWN] SINCE it is a bit too late to ask the British to relieve the people of Pakistain of the unmanageable burden of democratic governance, the best option available to us is to find a king, or an equivalent.

This is the result of the failure of aimless efforts to resolve the tussle between the Nawaz Sharif
... served two non-consecutive terms as prime minister, heads the Pakistain Moslem League (Nawaz). Noted for his spectacular corruption, the 1998 Pak nuclear test, border war with India, and for being tossed by General Musharraf...
government and the challengers, as represented by Tahirul Qadri
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Fred || 08/29/2014 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan

#1  After we are done with him in 2017, you can have ours.

Posted by: Thusoling Lumplump8632 || 08/29/2014 9:09 Comments || Top||

#2  They will have the British monarchy before long.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 08/29/2014 15:55 Comments || Top||

#3  Yeah, send'em Charles. They get their king, Chuckles can stop being a Carradine Muslim, British Monarchy gets a sigh of relief, and Pakistain quite possibly gets the worse non-nuclear disaster.

Everybody wins.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 08/29/2014 17:39 Comments || Top||


Towards madness
[DAWN] SO now what? After multiple iterations of each demand, after half a dozen ultimatums, after at least two face-to-face meetings between the two real protagonists in this whole affair -- Messrs Sharif and Sharif -- and after ample theatrics and screaming and shouting, where do things go from here?

If Nawaz Sharif
... served two non-consecutive terms as prime minister, heads the Pakistain Moslem League (Nawaz). Noted for his spectacular corruption, the 1998 Pak nuclear test, border war with India, and for being tossed by General Musharraf...
digs in his heels, and he made it abundantly clear in his speech in parliament yesterday that he is not stepping down, there is no way to force him to resign unless the robes decide to do some gymnastics of their own, which looks unlikely. Lacking a clear endgame, the road ahead is to either raise the temperature further still or look for a way to climb down. There are many routes to climbing down, but what more can be done to raise the temperature further still?
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Posted by: Fred || 08/29/2014 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan


Model Town FIR
[DAWN] ON Wednesday, as the 'final' deadline set by the Pakistain Awami Tehrik chairman for meeting his demands expired, a group of lawyers approached a cop shoppe in Lahore for the registration of an FIR against the violent action at the PAT headquarters on June 17.

The lawyers, who carried a high court order clearing the way for the registration of the report, were confronted with the same stalling tactics that had been employed to deny the PAT its demand thus far.

This signified no progress in an affair that has led Dr Qadri to march on the capital to stage a prolonged sit-in. PAT's call for an FIR was generally termed a fair one, even when some of its other demands have been dismissed as unreasonable by those who realise the importance of persisting with the system.

There is agreement that a gross violation of the law was committed around the Qadri compound on June 17 and those responsible for the brute use of force should be held accountable.

From the outset, it was believed that the Punjab government had landed itself in an extremely dangerous situation and it would struggle to come out of it without too much damage.

But as the government tried to delay the lodging of the FIR, one logical view was that it was also trying to delay the inevitable until it was firmly and finally compelled to strike a compromise.

The thinking was that the FIR was enough of a concession to help defuse the situation, and the unavoidable risks it posed could be dealt with later. In the event, the delay emboldened the PAT marchers and added rigidity to their already strong agenda.

The time gained by the government by stalling was the time spent in speculation.

And while in recent days some excerpts from the two forums assigned to investigate the unfortunate occurrence have been leaked they do little to lift the mist surrounding the actual June incident.

But whatever little has escaped the official grasp does seem to corroborate the first impressions about the FIR.

They point to the urgent need for an impartial investigation by the police before a trial, involving the stiffest challenge faced by Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif
...Pak dynastic politician, brother of PM Nawaz Sharif, chief minister of Punjab...
in his entire career as a tough unyielding administrator, begins. Notwithstanding the final outcome, it is a lesson in how essential rules are and how they must be adhered to thoroughly.
Posted by: Fred || 08/29/2014 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Understanding the Israeli-Egyptian-Saudi alliance
by Caroline Glick
Long, carefully thought out, and looking further into the implications, ie. typical Carolyn Glick. Here is the set up:
Hamas, always the voice of sweet reason,'s war with Israel is not a stand-alone event. It is happening in the context of the vast changes that are casting asunder old patterns of behavior and strategic understandings as actors in the region begin to reassess the threats they face.

Hamas was once funded by Soddy Arabia
...a kingdom taking up the bulk of the Arabian peninsula. Its primary economic activity involves exporting oil and soaking Islamic rubes on the annual hajj pilgrimage. The country supports a large number of princes in whatcha might call princely splendor. When the oil runs out the rest of the world is going to kick sand in the Soddy national face...
and enabled by Egypt. Now the regimes of these countries view it as part of a larger axis of Sunni jihad that threatens not only Israel, but them.

The Moslem Brotherhood in Egypt, and its state sponsors Qatar
...an emirate on the east coast of the Arabian Peninsula. It sits on some really productive gas and oil deposits, which produces the highest per capita income in the world. They piss it all away on religion, financing the Moslem Brotherhood and several al-Qaeda affiliates...
and Turkey, are the key members of this alliance structure. Without their support Hamas would have gone down with the Moslem Brotherhood regime in Egypt last summer. As it stands, all view Hamas's war with Israel as a means of reinstating the Brotherhood to power in that country.

To achieve a Hamas victory, Turkey, Qatar and the Moslem Brotherhood are using Western support for Hamas against Israel. If the US and the EU are able to coerce Egypt and Israel to open their borders with Gazoo, then the Western powers will hand the jihadist axis a strategic victory.

The implications of such a victory would be dire.

Hamas is ideologically indistinguishable from Islamic State.
In the long run, both want a Sharia-based religious tyranny. But Hamas is the Muslim Brotherhood in the Palestinian Territories, and historically the MB branches have been willing to go crabwise toward the end state, rather than crash into it with great massacres of those who desire something less stringent.
Like Islamic State, Hamas has developed mass slaughter and psychological terrorization as the primary tools in its military doctrine. If the US and the EU force Israel and Egypt to open Gazoo's borders, they will enable Hamas to achieve strategic and political stability in Gazoo. As a consequence, a post-war Gazoo will quickly become a local version of Islamic State-controlled djinn-infested Mosul
... the home of a particularly ferocious and hairy djinn...
In the first instance, such a development will render life in southern Israel too imperiled to sustain. The Western Negev, and perhaps Beersheba, Ashkelon and Ashdod, will become uninhabitable.

Then there is Judea and Samaria. If, as the US demands, Israel allows Gazoo to reconnect with Judea and Samaria, in short order Hamas will dominate the areas. Militarily, the transfer of even a few of the thousands of rocket-propelled grenades Hamas has in Gazoo will imperil military forces and civilians alike.

IDF armored vehicles and armored civilian buses will be blown to smithereens.

Whereas operating from Gazoo, Hamas needed the assistance of the B.O. regime and the Federal Aviation Administration to shut down Ben-Gurion Airport, from Judea and Samaria, all Hamas would require are a couple of hand-held mortars.

Jordan will also be directly threatened.

From Egypt's perspective, a Hamas victory in the war with Israel that connects Gazoo to Sinai will strengthen the Moslem Brotherhood and its Islamic State and other allies. Such a development represents a critical threat to the regime.

And this brings us to Islamic State itself. It couldn't have grown to its current monstrous proportions without the support of Qatar and Turkey.
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/29/2014 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  The House of Saud has only one driving concern in the matter: to make sure the Hashemites don't bother Arabia. They know for a fact that Israel doesn't want Arabia. The entire philosophy here is resolving into "Better the devil you know..."
Posted by: ed in texas || 08/29/2014 7:41 Comments || Top||


Who's Afraid Of The Big, Bad Boycott?
[Ynet] Anyone seriously seeking to boycott Israeli products would have a hard time finding a real target on supermarket and drugstore shelves.

Let's start with the conclusion: Israeli exports are not affected by the present economic boycott, nor will they be affected in the future. This is not because certain European consumer groups and the like are not trying -- it is because the unique nature of Israel's exports simply does not allow for it. It's a logical concept on paper, but simply does not hold water in reality.

The most obvious example of how the boycott concept is unsustainable is Israel's trade relations with Turkey. In 2010, after Cast Lead, and the Mavi Marmara incident in particular, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan
... Turkey's version of Mohammed Morsi but they voted him back in so they deserve him...
(who is now trying to change the laws in his country in order to become something akin to a sultan) demanded a boycott of Israel at every opportunity.

And lo and behold - just the opposite has happened. Trade relations with Turkey, both exports and imports, have jumped dramatically and are now at the highest level -- and almost 100% rise since 2009, long before the Mavi Marmara.

No interest in Gazoo
Israel's exports are driven by thousands of companies of all kinds, with the most diverse ownership and in a wide variety of markets, albeit with a low international profile. There is no Israeli company that is considered a global brand, and hence could be used as a clear indicator.

Many Israeli companies operate in niche areas, as an OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) or as subsidiaries of foreign multinationals.

In addition, Israeli exports are almost never sold to the end consumer. In fact, this is the case for about 95 percent of Israel's exports, almost all of which are involved in business-to-business (B2B) trade with the large international corporations who are only interested in the best product or service at the most competitive price.

With all due respect to what is happening there, the attacks in Gazoo are not a consideration in the cold world of business, nor is really of any interest.

Tough task
Staying away from McDonald's, IBM, Estee Lauder, Soda Stream, Johnson & Johnson, Motorola, Siemens, Danone, Kimberly-Clark, Intel, Timberland, Caterpillar, Victoria's Secret, Revlon and many other companies blacklisted by the organizers of boycott is not really possible for the ordinary consumer.

An exploration of the websites of these companies reveals the names of very few Israeli exporters, and a multitude of huge multinationals. Israel boycotters will struggle to find products in the supermarket or drugstore, given the sheer number of massive international companies that do business with Israel.

Some of Israel's farmers who export to Europe are in the boycotters' crosshairs, yet agricultural produce only constitutes about 2 percent of Israeli exports. They are now experiencing some difficulties, but know from experience that life will return to normal once the conflict is over.

It may be possible to reduce the existing damage somewhat by diverting goods to Russia, which is currently boycotting the entry of agricultural products from Europe.

Most of the impact is felt in the factories of Ariel and Ma'aleh Adumim, both viewed as problematic by in the EU due to their location beyond the Green Line.

It is extremely unfortunate that these companies are forced to endure such censure, but the scope of their activity, in relation to Israel's overall exports, is minute, and does not constitute even one thousandth of Israel's total GDP. Looking at it on the macroeconomic level, the damage of boycotting these factories is negligible to the overall Israeli economy.

It's time to calm down and free ourselves of this blind hysteria that is being promulgated, most likely for some political end or other.

Adam Reuter is the chairman of the Reuter Meydan Investment House and CEO of Financial Immunities Ltd.
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/29/2014 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan
(who is now trying to change the laws in his country in order to become something akin to a sultan) demanded a boycott of Israel at every opportunity.


Sultanic Mind-Meld ?
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/29/2014 3:28 Comments || Top||


Olde Tyme Religion
You Can't Understand ISIS If You Don't Know the History of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/29/2014 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under: Islamic State

#1  It's an interesting explanation that doesn't hold water. If Wahhabism is at the root of IS, why is it that Muslims all over the world express support for the organization, even those that are nowhere near Wahhabist? In truth, the issue is mass literacy. Muslims can now read Muhammad's edicts for themselves. They don't need Wahhab or any other Muslim ideologist to interpret the Koran for them. Why would the inerrant word of Allah need a middleman? The problem isn't Wahhabism - it's Islam as interpreted word-for-word by an increasingly literate Muslim laity, starting in the mid-20th century. The old go along to get along pablum emanating from imams dictated by Muslim rulers wishing to avoid permanent war until Islam either wins or is exterminated is passe, at least among the (no longer illiterate) Muslim laity. These people crave the religious ecstasy of an all-out jihad, and woe betide any Muslim ruler who gets in their way.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 08/29/2014 2:39 Comments || Top||

#2  What I understand is that we're dealing here with people who can't compete on a level playing field and know it---that why "radicalization" comes from "western" Muslims.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 08/29/2014 3:00 Comments || Top||

#3  Lack of hermeneutical reading of Koran stifles (as Archie Bunker would say) all reform.
Posted by: borgboy || 08/29/2014 6:19 Comments || Top||

#4  Other than the fact it intends to kill you, an angry, charging Syncerus caffer need not be.... "understood." It simply needs to be taken down with a well places shot from a .416 Rigby. A critique can be safely enjoyed from the safety of the veranda over sundowners.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/29/2014 7:03 Comments || Top||

#5  ZF, thank you for, what is for me, a new way of looking at this disease. That's an interesting way to look at it and explains several of the "inconsistencies" of jihadism.

For example, we are often bemused by the fact that the most educated, engineers, doctors, etc. are leaders of the most vicious and vile groups.

This unintended consequence befuddles the left as they contantly tout education as the solution to all jihadi issues.
Posted by: AlanC || 08/29/2014 8:24 Comments || Top||

#6  Here is the Cliff notes view:

You Can't Understand ISIS If You Don't Know the History of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia

Posted by: Thusoling Lumplump8632 || 08/29/2014 9:14 Comments || Top||

#7  ZF, thank you for, what is for me, a new way of looking at this disease. That's an interesting way to look at it and explains several of the "inconsistencies" of jihadism.

The Shah wasn't ousted because he was oppressive - he was turfed because he wasn't religious enough. People assume the Iranian emigres - the cosmopolites who fled the country - are representative of the ones who remained. Wrong. The reason the Ayatollahs are still running the show is because they are opposed only by a small segment of the population. Most non-expat Iranians are troglodytes on the Shiite side of the coin vs Saudi Arabia's Sunni equivalent. The problem isn't the Muslim ruling elites, most of whom just want a quiet life - it's the hoi polloi, who - thanks to their new-found literacy - want jihad, the glory of death in battle against the infidel, followed by a houri-filled paradise.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 08/29/2014 10:03 Comments || Top||

#8  Oil money has found its way into Sunni mosques world wide. Wahhabi-ism most likely went with it.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 08/29/2014 16:00 Comments || Top||

#9  rjs, that's a known fact. Saudi Wahhabis are the ones who have financed most of the mosques in the US.
Posted by: AlanC || 08/29/2014 16:34 Comments || Top||

#10  Oil money has found its way into Sunni mosques world wide. Wahhabi-ism most likely went with it.

Toothpaste, franchise fast food, laundry detergent, et al money goes into supporting American TV programming overseas - programming that promotes American values (or decadence, depending on your religiosity) for hours every single day at no cost to the US government. Why do people who don't even go to mosque support IS? Or do you really think 100% of France's Muslim population goes to mosque every Friday? The idea that the Saudi royals are at the heart of the Muslim problem is like the idea that Gaddafi was the problem with Libya or that Saddam was the problem with Iraq. The unpalatable truth is that the problem is with Islam and perhaps with Arabs. Short of mass deportation to a remote penal colony, there's not much to be done with them.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 08/29/2014 16:37 Comments || Top||

#11  The jihadi all stars flocking to ISJV is not so dissimilar to the 16th Century Western Mediterranian, where successful pirate/slavers established themselves to the point they were able to make a diplomatic alliance with the Ottomans. In the name of Allen and Plunder, the then all-stars flocked to what we call Libya and westward decimated the European coastline. Their attitudes were such that locals interested in only living out their lives got kicked around to the point they tried to kick out the pirate/slavers; but for the most part the locals were too little too late. Those all-stars' descendants were who Thomas Jefferson waged a war against.

When the pirates sailed into not called Constantinople anymore and showed their loot and slaves, it attracted the type of person interested in that life and its rewards. Those scare-you vidoes are also recruitment tapes.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 08/29/2014 17:22 Comments || Top||

#12  Oil money has found its way into Sunni mosques world wide. Wahhabi-ism most likely went with it.

The assumption here is that Muslims are children, passive recipients of manipulative propaganda, rather active agents of their own destiny. If propaganda is so effective, why haven't non-Muslims flocked to Islam? How is it that most of Islam's growth comes from a baby boom? Why did Soviet communism not expand significantly beyond ranks of leftist scribblers, in the minds of ordinary people, despite the fact many of the world's literati were on the Soviet payroll, actively pushing its worldview?
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 08/29/2014 18:02 Comments || Top||

#13  ZF, the reason so many agree is that the Wahabbists are from Saudi, and the Saudis set up and fund indoctrination centers mosques all over the world -- even in other ostensibly Muslim countries. See Moroccos, who are hang problems with Saudi backed Wahabbi mosques trying to push out their relatively benign (and somewhat westernized) native version of Islam.
Posted by: OldSpook || 08/29/2014 20:43 Comments || Top||

#14  ZF, the reason so many agree is that the Wahabbists are from Saudi, and the Saudis set up and fund indoctrination centers mosques all over the world -- even in other ostensibly Muslim countries. See Moroccos, who are hang problems with Saudi backed Wahabbi mosques trying to push out their relatively benign (and somewhat westernized) native version of Islam.

We get these indoctrination centers stateside. Why aren't vast numbers of non-Muslims converting to Islam? People are flocking to Saudi-sponsored mosques for the same reason fundamentalist Christian denominations are growing in leaps and bounds while Episcopalians are dying out and Catholics are expanding only via mass immigration - they can get Deepak Chopra from Deepak Chopra. What they want is religion cleansed of all buffers. A literate Muslim doesn't need to hear from an imam that jihad (and killing infidels and apostates) is every Muslim's lifelong duty - all he has to do is crack open a Koran. Imams have no authority to interpret the Koran - every word is perfect exactly as composed by Allah himself.

Posted by: Zhang Fei || 08/29/2014 21:01 Comments || Top||

#15  Why aren't vast numbers of non-Muslims converting to Islam?

I have not seen any numbers on the converts to Islam. It does seem that Islam attracts the following:

1. Blacks in prison,
2. Young people who are maladjusted,
3. People who have some grudge and hate some other group,
4. People who want a sense of belonging to some group (such as is also achieved by joining a gang like the Crips or Bloods, etc.).
5. People who do not feel some sense of empowerment in society. The supremacy notions of Islam appeals to these people.
6. There are some people who are just downright murderous and Islam provides a vehicle for expression.
Posted by: JohnQC || 08/29/2014 21:53 Comments || Top||

#16  I just read over my last post and it is depressing. IMO that many converts to Islam are really fvcked up. Islam seems to wrap many of these weirder aspects of behavior in a cloak of legitimacy.
Posted by: JohnQC || 08/29/2014 21:56 Comments || Top||

#17  I just read over my last post and it is depressing. IMO that many converts to Islam are really fvcked up. Islam seems to wrap many of these weirder aspects of behavior in a cloak of legitimacy.

Muhammad was a brigand whose occupation involved killing people and taking their stuff. That his holy book consists of divine justifications for Muslim (and only Muslim) brigandry is no surprise. His new followers aren't maladjusted - they're just people who would, in the not-so-recent past, have been called villains. Now they're just misunderstood individuals discarded by an uncaring society.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 08/29/2014 23:26 Comments || Top||


Former Salifast says Islam is fake and confronted by host
Posted by: Unealing Glomoter8695 || 08/29/2014 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Not that much different from msnbc when they're interviewing g a tea party candidate or supporter in my view.
Posted by: Rob06 || 08/29/2014 9:09 Comments || Top||

#2  I half expected to see a head roll or stones to start flying.
Posted by: JohnQC || 08/29/2014 13:01 Comments || Top||

#3  What just might turn the left away from supporting Islam.
Posted by: JohnQC || 08/29/2014 13:08 Comments || Top||



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  Sinai Group Says It Beheaded 4 Egyptian 'Mossad Agents'
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  Online photos show ISIL executing Syrian soldiers
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