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Last evenings "strategic level" commentary. Quite professional I'd say.
#10: Are you stupid or are you simply working hard at being deliberately moronic? This is not WW2. Bomber Harris was remarkably INEFFECTIVE in his bombing of civilians - it didn't do much at all to win the war compared to the strategic bombing of factories , resources and transport. And even that didn't compare to rolling in with tanks, and ultimately, the grunts with rifles. On toip of that, those methods were the only ones available with the technology and tactics of those days. Wake the f**k up, its not 1944. Nor is it 1964. So your idiotic comparisons don't stand even a cursory look - you're dead wrong on this.

Besoeker, you talk like the "sofa soldier" who has never had to pull the trigger for real. Try instead to lead men in the field, go to war (many times at many intensity levels), have locals and civilians you are trying to liberate and stabilize - then try telling me you can order your men to pull the trigger on women and children you know to be innocent - not like in a nuclear war situation, but what you advocate as a matter of routine operations. In a word, I'm calling you out as a bullshit wannabe. Nobody that's ever been in the shit for real and for long sees it that way, unless you have become morally depraved.

There is a code of honor we swear to in the US military. I'm glad I never served with a would-be war criminal like you.

There are times my anger gets the better of me, and I will post some pretty harsh stuff here but that's mainly at a stratetgic level, since that's where some of my work was. But in the real deal, never operated that way at a tactical level, with my squad and my platoon, nor would any of the people out there now put up with that sort of operation (and I know folks from a Marine LTC to a SF A-det Captain I mentored back when they were enlisted would would agree) - its simply not who we are as American Soldiers.

Zhang Fei is correct if we want to take a clear and clean approach to "infected" villages. In the short term it would take them out of fight mode and into survival mode.

The problem is in the long term they only end up being more easily recruited by the Talib and others like them, in refugee camps over on the border, with Pakistan and Iran, and China (If you're talking Afghanistan).

"Kill them all" is simply unsustainable in the modern world - politically we would end up as a nation of pariahs, our soldiers (justifiably) branded "baby killers", and the military torn to shreds by being forced into such dishonorable behavior. Especially when we do have alternative actions and tactics that can be taken. We aren't Nazi Germany and wiping out an entire town as you would have us do - and this isnt the middle ages where Tamerlane's approach of stacking up skulls would work. The only reason to resort to such actions is if they are our ONLY recourse - then it would be done. But its not, we do have other ways of working (see Iraq for a large number of examples), and you need to get that into your head - we will not turn our troops into the equivalent of the Einsatzgruppen. There are other ways, and duty, honor and country demand that we do things the American way.

Stop posturing and pushing self destructive bullshit like an ignorant fool, like those forlorn morons who believes if they had simply killed enough of the blacks, Rhodesia would have remained white ruled.

Words fail me at this point. To put it simply for you so you'll understand:

My advice to you: Stop being such a douchebag, "visitor".
Posted by: OldSpook|| 2011-10-13 22:09 Top||



Posted by: "Sofa Soldier" formally Besoeker 2011-10-14
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