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This Week in Guns, May 7th, 2016
 By Chris Covert Rantburg.com This week we found out who will be running in our binary presidential election in six months. Hillary's A few days ago, a blog post from Weapons Man appeared which dealt with American politicians using their power in the form of willing police and military to fire on, detain or otherwise punish errant American citizens on American soil. The article is short but comprehensive, so you come away with the idea that for all the protestations over the oath that enlistees utter when they join US security services, hell yes, those men and women will willingly fire on US citizens if ordered to. Plenty of examples exist in the past which support this conclusion. How this affects the presidential campaign is how the two respective candidates would deal with armed protests, not armed resistance, but protests held by armed men and women. If national guard and local security forces were sent to confront the protesters, would they fire on them? The shooting of Lavoy Finicum provides some answers. From what I have read to date agents for the federal government and for the state of Oregon fired first without provocation. As I have said before, all the golden throats and public figures who wanted blood finally got it. Hillary Clinton was an active agent in her husband's administration, so it is impossible to believe she had zero input in the solution the government had at Waco in 1993. Since that time, her supporters have evolved with regard to armed citizens. Instead of the finger wagging from 20 years ago, they want blood and piled up bodies of the political opponents who own firearms. And I believe Hillary Clinton will oblige her supporters and give them the show they have been begging for. But what about Trump? The Weapons Man article provides some insight into his thinking. Trump has said in the past he would order his military to eliminate the families of terrorists. Many people I have spoken with greeted this with glee. Now, finally someone will do something about terrorism! And I think very few military would hesitate to obey the order, unlawful as it is. It depends on how the violence is formed. A US Navy F/A 18 pilot who is given nothing more than coordinates and an order to eliminate military assets in a village will obey the order, but I think once non combatants are observed, the pilot would end his attack. He essentially would defy orders. Terrorists' families would survive and propagate new terrorist fodder unaware of being spared a violent fate. It is a hard choice. President Barak Obama has been executing terrorists using drones with the presumptive approval of military lawyers. With this administration's penchant for bald face lying it is equally hard to imagine they have not already killed non combatants just because of their personal nexus to an illegal combatant. It is hard to imagine how that would change under either candidate. You should read the post along with the comments. It is all thought-provoking. Loads. Rantburg's summary for arms and ammunition: Prices for pistol ammunition were mixed on the minus side. Prices for rifle ammunition were mostly steady. Prices for both used pistols and for used rifles were mixed. Note: For the second time in two weeks, the average price for a used AR-10 Pattern Semiautomatic jumped, this time 5.5 percent average, with Florida leading the way. Average price: $1,300. This is reverse the trend from last year when the AR-10 pattern semiautomatic rifles was selling $820 average nationwide just nine months ago. New Lows: None Pistol Ammunition .45 Caliber, 230 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (7 Weeks) Cheapest, 50 rounds: Goose Island Sales, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Cased, .24 per round Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Top Shot Ammunition, Store Brand, RNL, Brass Casing, Factory Seconds, .23 per round (From Last week: -.01 Each After Unchanged (3 Weeks)) .40 Caliber Smith & Wesson, 180 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (3 Weeks) Cheapest, 50 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt!, American Bullet, TMJ, Brass Casing, .20 per round Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Ammo Marketplace, Leadhead, RNFP, Brass Casing, .20 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (2 Weeks)) 9mm Parabellum, 115 Grain, From Last Week: -.01 Each After Unchanged (3 Weeks) Cheapest, 50 rounds: Bud's Gun Shop, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .16 per round Cheapest Bulk, 1,000 rounds: SG Ammo, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .16 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (8 Weeks)) .357 Magnum, 158 Grain, From Last Week: -.02 Each Cheapest, 50 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt!, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .25 per round Cheapest Bulk: 1,000 rounds: SG Ammo, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel cased, .25 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (4Q, 2015)) Rifle Ammunition .223 Caliber/5.56mm 55 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (7 Weeks) Cheapest, 20 rounds: Ammunition Supply Company, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .21 per round Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Cheaper Than Dirt!, Tulammo, FMJ, steel casing, .21 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (3 Weeks)) .308 NATO 150 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (2 Weeks) Cheapest, 20 rounds: LAX Ammunition, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .37 per round Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: J&G Sales, Tulammo, steel casing, FMJ, .34 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (7 Weeks)) 7.62x39 AK 123 Grain, From Last Week: -.01 Each After Unchanged (4 Weeks) Cheapest, 20 rounds: AmmoFast, Wolf WPA, steel case, FMJ, .24 per round Cheapest Bulk, 1,000 rounds: Ammunition Supply Company, Wolf WPA, steel case, FMJ, .22 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (3 weeks)) .22 LR 40 Grain, From Last Week: +.01 Each After Unchanged (2 Weeks) Cheapest, 50 rounds (10 Boxes Max): Ammomen, CCI Blazer, RNL, .08 per round Cheapest Bulk, 5,000 rounds (1 Cases Max): Ammunition Supply Company, Aguila, RNL, .07 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (4 Weeks)) Guns for Private Sale Rifles .223/5.56mm (AR Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $588 Last Week Avg: $578 (+) ($616 (2Q, 2015), $476 (31 Weeks)) California (203, 205): Palmetto State Armory: $590 ($650 (1Q, 2015), $400 (35 Weeks)) Texas (296, 282): Mixed Build: $600 ($700 (1Q, 2015), $350 (2Q, 2015)) Pennsylvania (132, 134): Bushmaster: $600 ($700 (2Q, 2015), $300 (43 Weeks)) Virginia (152, 148): Palmetto State Armory $600 ($750 (1Q, 2015), $480 (21 Weeks)) Florida (338, 315): Mixed Build: $550 ($650 (45 Weeks), $380 (1Q, 2015)) .308 NATO (AR-10 Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $1,300 Last Week Avg: $1,230 (+) ($1,359 (2Q, 2015), $820 (30 Weeks)) California (52, 52): Mixed Build: $1,600 ($1,700 (4Q, 2014), $850 (40 Weeks)) Texas (87, 93): DPMS LR308: $800 ($1,500 (4Q, 2014), $800 (39 Weeks)) Pennsylvania (29, 29): DPMS SASS: $1,200 ($1,500 (1Q, 2015), $700 (32 Weeks)) Virginia (51, 46): CMMG: $950 ($2,750 (16 Weeks), $800 (27 Weeks)) Florida (62, 53): Patriot Ordinance Factory: $1,950 ($1,950 (CA: $1,600), $500 (30 Weeks)) 7.62x39mm (AK Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $567 Last Week Avg: $570 (-) ($626 (2Q, 2015), $450 (41 Weeks)) California (43, 45): Saiga: $675 ($725 (7 Weeks), $320 (4Q, 2014)) Texas (71, 74): Unknown Brand: $560 ($800 (17 Weeks), $350 (3Q, 2014)) Pennsylvania (51, 50): CAI RAS-47: $500 ($750 (1Q, 2015), $375 (51 Weeks)) Virginia (39, 37): CAI AMD 65: $500 ($650 (7 Weeks), $350 (1Q, 2015)) Florida (95, 97): Zastava NPap: $600 ($700 (10 Weeks), $300 (4Q, 2014)) 30-30 Winchester Lever Action Average Price: $424 Last Week Avg: $352(+) ($489 (1Q, 2015), $296 (44 Weeks)) California (11, 12): Winchester Model 94: $400 ($600 (8 Weeks), $180 (47 Weeks)) Texas (18, 14): Marlin 336W: $350 ($550 (1Q, 2015), $300 (1Q, 2015)) Pennsylvania (24, 27): Marlin 30AS: $350 ($450 (1Q, 2015), $250 (4Q, 2014)) Virginia (8, 8): Winchester Model 94: $670 ($670 (CA: $600 (11 Weeks))), $250 (23 Weeks)) Florida (21, 22): Marlin 336: $350 ($500 (1Q, 2015), $250 (48 Weeks)) Pistols .45 caliber ACP (M1911 Pattern Semiautomatic Pistol) Average Price: $456 Last Week Avg: $386 (+) ($510 (5 Weeks)), $350 (28 Weeks)) California (176, 172): Olympic Arms: $600 ($725 (8 Weeks), $300 (39 Weeks)) Texas (204, 194): Taurus PT 1911: $450 ($600 (4Q, 2014), $325 (37 Weeks)) Pennsylvania (150, 139): Rock Island Armory: $375 ($550 (2Q, 2015), $300 (47 Weeks)) Virginia (135, 136): Rock Island Armory: $475 ($575 (14 Weeks)), $250 (4Q, 2014)) Florida (260, 265): Rock Island Armory: $380 ($500 (13 Weeks), $250 (1Q, 2015)) 9mm (Beretta 92FS or other Semiautomatic) Average Price: $262 Last Week Avg: $272 (-) ($358 (9 Weeks), $245 (3 Weeks)) California (181, 188): Smith & Wesson SD9VE: $300 ($500 (10 Weeks), $200 (26 Weeks)) Texas (261, 256): Smith & Wesson Model 59: $350 ($355 (1Q, 2015), $200 (35 Weeks)) Pennsylvania (225, 241): Heritage Arms Stealth C1000: $225 ($350 (4Q 2014), $200 (42 Weeks)) Virginia (184, 180): Helwan: $189 ($425 (18 Weeks), $189 (5 Weeks)) Florida (426, 425): Kel-Tec P11: $250 ($400 (8 Weeks), $220 (34 Weeks)) .40 caliber S&W (Glock or other semiautomatic) Average Price: $310 Last Week Avg: $309 (+) ($399 (16 Weeks), $293 (12 Weeks)) California (83, 86): Glock 22: $400 ($560 (17 Weeks)), $250 (4Q, 2014)) Texas (97, 105): Glock 23: $250 ($425 (4Q, 2014), $250 (21 Weeks)) Pennsylvania (74, 71): Kahr CW40: $250 ($450 (5 Weeks), $250 (1Q, 2015)) Virginia (43, 56): Smith & Wesson SD40VE: $350 ($450 (2Q, 2015), $275 (1Q, 2015)) Florida (131, 138): Smith & Wesson 40VE Sigma: $300 ($400 (1Q, 2015), $200 (35 Weeks)) Used Gun of the Week: (Florida) Broomhandle Mauser Chambered in 9mm Parabellum Chris Covert writes for Rantburg.com. He can be reached at grurkka@gmail.com and on Twitter. Posted by: badanov 2016-05-07 |
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