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This Week in Guns, November 5th, 2016


By Chris Covert
Rantburg.com

By this time next week, we'll know more about the 2016 presidential election.

Well, not really.

By this time next week the 2016 presidential election will be concluded.

Well, not really.

I suspect the following weeks right up to the presidential inauguration and possibly beyond will be a sh*t show. Both sides have deployed massive amounts of crazy to counter the massive amounts of crazy deployed by the other side. Whether the outcome is violent and for how long remains to be seen.

It has to be noted here, however, that the only class of ammunition/rifles to rise in price so far is the AR-10 .308 semiautomatic rifle. Last week prices of .308 cartridges absolutely jumped, and this week it has been the AR-10 style rifles. Maybe it heralds the application of Rule .308, or maybe it is the normal seasonal price increase. As I have written elsewhere, price increases in higher quality firearms have made themselves known, albeit in pistols, not in rifles. Those increases won't be apparent in this data compilation. I expect all classes of ammunition to rise slowly and temporarily, not more than 10 percent total for 5.56x45mm ammunition before the advent of Christmas.

I am seeing a lot of articles appear in the paid media threatening gun registration and confiscation from leftist media outlets that fully expect Hillary to win the White House.

Weapons Man posted a fisking of the news that the Bavarian state police confiscated a number of firearms from a man the reports said was "unreliable." This is German newsspeak for a sovereign citizen, or patriot as we may call him. The second attempt ended with three German police wounded and one dead. During the first attempt the man, identified as Wolfgang P simply refused the kops access to his residence.

But this is not about the fisking. You should peruse the comments, as they deal with gun confiscation going on and likely to increase in California. In the comments two schools of thought exist.

Commenter Aesop is one side:

xFor reference, when they were first banned here in 1989, there were an estimated 100K black rifle named weapons, all semi-auto, in private hands. Less than 2K were ever registered with the state as “assault weapons”.

Once legal workarounds like goofy stocks and bullet button mag releases became commonplace, an estimated 1-2M EBRs have been sold hereabouts in the last decade-plus.

If so many as 2K of those ever get registered this time, I will be astonished.
(That’s assuming they even allow that, which as of this moment is far from clear.)

At a loss of only 1 cop per confiscatory visit (and some of us will prove much better marksmen than Herr Wolfgang P., above), they’re going to need quite a number of new cops, which takes them 12-36 months@ to recruit, select, train, and deploy) and I just don’t see it happening. After they lose five or ten, the popular sentiment will be to go all Dorner/BLM, and start picking the rest off pro-actively.

And as a rule, the average gun owner has about 5 times the tactical training and weapons-handling experience as the average cop, so that won’t go well for them either. I’d guesstimate that more than a miniscule fraction would be itching for the opportunity on both sides, and the police will be playing Custer to the general population’s Sitting Bull & Crazy Horse, for some decades.

Commenter Mike is on the other side:

Regarding the ‘average gun owner’s level of training and experience’ being five times that of police officers… It’s been a while since you’ve been to a public range, hasn’t it? I can assure you that the average gun owner is no better than the average police officer, and frequently worse.

I’d say out of every hundred current gun owners in the US, less than ten have any formal training on firearms, and that was probably from either the military or the boy scouts. In most cases, it was decades ago. A high percentage of American gun owners probably go months or years between shooting sessions. My brother in law, for example- he’s owned a .22 LR rifle for years, and shoots it about every two years. This summer, he bought his first centerfire rifle, an AR. He’s shot it once so far, at some cans in the desert. I explained to him the process for zeroing it beforehand; when he got back from shooting I asked him if he had any problems with zeroing and he told me that he had skipped it so he and his son could get to blasting cans.

Based off of my experiences as a firearms instructor, I’d say that maybe three out of a hundred gun owners actually pay for a firearms training class that’s not mandated by law like some states require for a CCW license. Maybe one out of those three will take more than one class.

Old, Cranky and Armed weighs in:

I have read this defeatist claptrap before. The problem with such a scheme is that if it were viable, it would already have been tried. It’s all nonsense. People will have the sense to understand that whatever such games may be played, it is still a declaration of war. Those who try to implement it will be killed anyway. In fact more such people will be killed than with the old SWAT tactic, because it is hard to take a SWAT team out when you are waking up at 3AM with a flash-bang in the bedroom. It’s much easier to knock a lone, offensive bureaucrat off. People will simply lie when they do the certification you speak of, or simply do without the license that requires it. No, you have not found the magic formula that tyrants may use to disarm irate and dangerous Americans, sorry. Go back to your friends at Salon.

You really should read all the comments, some of them amusing, but most of them serious.

My head is with Mike, but Aesop owns my heart.

Loads.

Rantburg's summary for arms and ammunition:

Prices for pistol ammunition were steady. Prices for rifle ammunition were mostly steady.

Prices for used pistols were lower across the board. Prices for used rifles were mostly lower.

New Lows:

None.

Pistol Ammunition


.45 Caliber, 230 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (3 Weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Outdoor Limited, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .24 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Outdoor Limited, Own Brand, Brass Casing, Reloads, .24 per round (From Last week: Unchanged (2 Weeks))

.40 Caliber Smith & Wesson, 180 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (2Q, 2016)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Ammo Mart, Buffalo Cartridge, RSFP, Brass Casing, .20 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: LAX Ammunition, Own Brand, Brass Casing, Reloads, .21 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (2 Weeks))

9mm Parabellum, 115 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (2 Weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds: Ammo Mart, Buffalo Cartridge, RN, Brass Casing, .16 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 1,000 rounds: FedArm, Own Brand, Brass Casing, Reloads, .16 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (2 Weeks))

.357 Magnum, 158 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (2Q, 2016)

Cheapest, 50 rounds: Outdoor Limited, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .23 per round
Cheapest Bulk: 1,000 rounds: J&G Sales, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel casing, .25 per round (From Last Week: +.02 Each After Unchanged (2Q, 2016))

Rifle Ammunition

.223 Caliber/5.56mm 55 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (2 Weeks)
Cheapest, 20 rounds: BigHat Tactical, FMJ, Steel Casing, .23 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 1,000 rounds: LAX Ammunition, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .23 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (2 Weeks))

.308 NATO 150 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (3 Weeks)
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Natchez Shooters Supplies, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .39 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Bud's Gun Shop, Wolf WPA, Steel Casing, FMJ, .47 per round (From Last Week: -.01 Each)

7.62x39mm AK 123 Grain, From Last Week: + .01 Each
Cheapest, 20 rounds: Ammunition Depot, Wolf WPA, Steel Case, FMJ, .25 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 1,000 rounds: Ventura Munitions, Wolf WPA, Steel Case, FMJ, .23 per round (From Last Week: -.01 Each)

.22 LR 40 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (8 Weeks)
Cheapest, 50 rounds (10 Box Limit): Ammomen, Federal, RNL, .06 per round
Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Ammo2U, Federal, RNL, .06 per round (From Last Week: -.01 Each)

Guns for Private Sale
Rifles


.223/5.56mm (AR Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $536 Last Week Avg: $542(-) ($616 (2Q, 2015), $476 (3Q, 2015))
California (275, 277): Mixed Build: $480 ($650 (1Q, 2015), $400 (2Q, 2016))
Texas (279, 274): DPMS: $500 ($700 (1Q, 2015), $350 (2Q, 2015))
Pennsylvania (144, 140): Bushmaster Carbon 15: $550 ($700 (2Q, 2015), $300 (3Q, 2015))
Virginia (184, 178): Mixed Build: $650 ($750 (1Q, 2015), $475 (26 Weeks))
Florida (367, 362): Anderson Manufacturing AM15: $500 ($650 (2Q, 2015), $380 (1Q, 2015))

.308 NATO (AR-10 Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $1,100 Last Week Avg: $1,050 (+) ($1,359 (2Q, 2015), $820 (3Q, 2015))
California (74, 73): Palmetto State Armory: $1,250 ($1,700 (4Q, 2014), $850 (3Q, 2015))
Texas (91, 94): Bushmaster: $1,050 ($1,500 (4Q, 2014), $700 (16 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (27, 29): DPMS: $800 ($1,500 (1Q, 2015), $700 (3Q, 2015))
Virginia (47, 48): Mixed Build: $1,300 ($2,750 (41 Weeks), $800 (4Q, 2015))
Florida (78, 79): DPMS LR 308: $1,100 ($1,950 (27 Weeks), $500 (3Q, 2015))

7.62x39mm (AK Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $586 Last Week Avg: $619(-) ($668 (16 Weeks)), $450 (3Q, 2015))
California (66, 61): Romak: $700 ($800 (22 Weeks)), $320 (4Q, 2014))
Texas (85, 86): WTS VZ2008: $650 ($800 (42 Weeks), $350 (3Q, 2014))
Pennsylvania (43, 41): AMD 65: $580 ($750 (1Q, 2015), $375 (1Q, 2015))
Virginia (44, 50): Custom Build: $550 ($700 (22 Weeks), $350 (1Q, 2015))
Florida (112, 102): CAI VZ-2008: $450 ($700 (35 Weeks), $300 (4Q, 2014))

30-30 Winchester Lever Action Average Price: $463 Last Week Avg: $484(-) ($495 (4 Weeks), $296 (3Q, 2015))
California (4, 4): Winchester 94: $900 ($1,000 (4 Weeks), $180 (2Q, 2015))
Texas (14, 15): Marlin: $400 ($550 (1Q, 2015), $300 (1Q, 2015))
Pennsylvania (14, 11): Marlin 336: $315 ($450 (1Q, 2015), $250 (4Q, 2014))
Virginia (8, 8): Marlin Mod 30AW: $300 ($670 (26 Weeks)), $250 (48 Weeks))
Florida (24, 23): Winchester 94: $400 ($500 (1Q, 2015), $250 (2Q, 2015))

Pistols

.45 caliber ACP (M1911 Pattern Semiautomatic Pistol) Average Price: $425 Last Week Avg: $444(-) ($515 (13 Weeks)), $350 (4Q, 2015))
California (221, 216): Rock Island Armory: $495 ($800 (13 Weeks), $300 (3Q, 2015))
Texas (244, 258): Charles Daly: $430 ($600 (4Q, 2014), $325 (3Q, 2015))
Pennsylvania (154, 153): Girsan: $400 ($550 (2Q, 2015), $300 (2Q, 2015))
Virginia (147, 151):Auto Ordnance: $425 ($575 (40 Weeks)), $250 (4Q, 2014))
Florida (365, 364): Shooters Arms Elite: $375 ($500 (39 Weeks), $250 (1Q, 2015))

9mm (Beretta 92FS or other Semiautomatic) Average Price: $272 Last Week Avg: $287(-) ($358 (36 Weeks), $245 (28 Weeks))
California (259, 269): Smith & Wesson 496: $375 ($500 (36 Weeks), $200 (4Q, 2015))
Texas (323, 325): Taurus 709: $275 ($355 (1Q, 2015), $200 (3Q, 2015))
Pennsylvania (283, 277): Diamondback DB9: $225 ($350 (4Q 2014), $200 (3Q, 2015))
Virginia (230, 216): Sccy CPX2 : $235 ($425 (44 Weeks), $189 (31 Weeks))
Florida (561, 578): Smith & Wesson SW9VE: $250 ($400 (33 Weeks), $190 (13 Weeks))

.40 caliber S&W (Glock or other semiautomatic) Average Price: $304 Last Week Avg: $344(-) ($399 (41 Weeks), $262 (21 Weeks))
California (101, 105): Smith & Wesson SD40VE: $350 ($560 (43 Weeks)), $250 (4Q, 2014))
Texas (127, 134): Smith & Wesson SD40VE: $250 ($425 (4Q, 2014), ($210 (6 Weeks))
Pennsylvania (96, 99): Taurus PT 24-7: $225 ($450 (30 Weeks), $200 (10 Weeks))
Virginia (70, 72): Ruger SR40: $350 ($450 (2Q, 2015), $275 (1Q, 2015))
Florida (162, 163): Smith & Wesson SD40VE: $345 ($400 (1Q, 2015), $199 (49 Weeks))

Used Gun of the Week: (Wisconsin)
Swiss 1911 Rifle in 7.55x55 Swiss
Posted by: badanov 2016-11-05
http://www.rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=472184