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This Week in Guns, February 17th, 2018
 By Chris Covert Rantburg.com I don't want to comment about the Florida massacre at the moment. A lot we still don't know. A discussion on Facebook took place between Gideon Imunim, front man for Cherev Gidon and another individual about concealed carry, surrounding whether it is best to concealed carry with a round in the chamber. The argument for carrying with a round in the chamber is the less than two seconds' time it would take to draw, chamber a round, cock the pistol and fire; too much time would elapse. My argument has always been that by the time the threat becomes apparent, the extra seconds aren't going to make much difference. I have seen plenty of live action videos where a concealed carrier has drawn, cocked and fired before the Bad Guy has a chance to return fire. The argument for carrying a round in the chamber, however, makes some sense since it doesn't take much time for the odds to survive a shooting to shift away from you and in favor of your target. The main thing is that if you are face to face with a violent opponent then it makes sense to have a round ready to go. But how many gunfire exchanges take place in which that extra two seconds, at the most, would matter? For example, in a convenience store when a Bad Guy walks in, draws and orders everyone to the ground. His gun is pointed at you and everyone else, so in order for the chambered round to work in your favor, some outside incident or distraction has to take place sufficient for you to draw and fire safely. Another example is in a mall. Much less constrictive place. Fields of fire are seemingly wider and longer, except that in a crowded mall they are the same with others milling around. There is an element of unpredictability present when a shooter draws and fires, and the crowd scatters. You can't always predict if the crowd will scatter in such a way that gives you a clear shot. Depending on where you are, as a private citizen you have to make a quick decision whether to draw and fire. If the shooter is pointing his firearm straight at you, does that quick draw really matter? Tactical encounters such as the two described are like football games. Every game is different: the shooter, the concealed carrier, fields of fire, lighting and sound conditions, the presence of other shooters and other concealed carriers and so on. The empty chamber method is called Israeli carry. Imunim said: The Israeli way is by far the safest and most professional way to carry on a day to day basis. The fact is, the Israeli special forces have been utilizing that method for decades and there are very few accidental discharges with highly effective results in gun fights with the enemy. Your results and comfort level will differ. I don't own a pistol, so this ain't my fight. Loads. Rantburg's summary for arms and ammunition: Pistol ammunition prices were mostly steady. Rifle ammunition prices were mostly steady. Prices for used pistols were mixed. Prices for used rifles were mostly higher. It should be noted that nationwide AK prices have jumped, due to fewer available rifles on the open market. And for the second week in a row, AR-15 prices have remained at the $440 level. New Lows: None Pistol Ammunition .45 Caliber, 230 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (3 weeks) Cheapest, 50 rounds: Red River Reloading, Silver Bear, FMJ, Steel Casing, .22 per round Cheapest Bulk, 1,000 rounds: East Carolina Trading, Own brand, FMJ, Brass Casing, Reloads, .20 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (5 Weeks)) .40 Caliber Smith & Wesson, 180 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (2 Weeks) Cheapest, 50 rounds: Outdoor Limited, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing .20 per round Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: East Carolina Trading, Own Brand, CRN, Brass Casing, Reloads, .17 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (8 Weeks)) 9mm Parabellum, 115 Grain, From Last Week: -.02 Each Cheapest, 50 rounds: Ammo King, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing .13 per round Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Fedarm, Own Brand, RN, Brass Casing, Reloads .14 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (4 Weeks)) .357 Magnum, 158 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (3Q, 2017) Cheapest, 50 rounds: Outdoor Limited, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .23 per round Cheapest Bulk: 1,000 rounds: Outdoor Limited, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .23 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (3Q, 2017)) .38 Special, 158 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (8 Weeks) Cheapest, 50 rounds: Highland Lakes Ammo, Own Brand, FN, Brass Casing, Reloads .24 per round Cheapest Bulk: 500 rounds: Ammo Valley, Own brand, FP, Brass Casing, Reloads, .24 per round (From Last Week: +.04 Each After Unchanged (4 Weeks) Rifle Ammunition .223 Caliber/5.56mm 55 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (4Q, 2017) Cheapest, 20 rounds: Able's, Wolf WPA, FMJ, Steel Casing, .20 per round Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Outdoor Limited, Wolf WPA, FMJ, Steel Casing, .20 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (4Q, 2017)) .308 NATO 150 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (3Q, 2017) Cheapest, 20 rounds: LAX Ammunition, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .32 per round Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: LAX Ammunition, Tulammo, FMJ, Steel Casing, .31 per round (From Last Week: +.01 Each After Unchanged (5 Weeks)) 7.62x39mm AK 123 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (3 Weeks) Cheapest, 20 rounds: Red River Reloading, Wolf WPA, FMJ, Steel Casing, .22 per round Cheapest Bulk, 1,000 rounds: True Shot Gun Club, Wolf WPA, Steel Casing, FMJ, .19 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (3Q, 2017)) .30-06 Springfield 145 Grain. From Last Week: Unchanged (3 Weeks) Cheapest, 20 rounds: Target Sports USA, Wolf WPA, Steel Casing, FMJ, .60 per round Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: United Nations Ammo, Wolf WPA, Steel Casing, FMJ, .53 per round (From Last week: Unchanged (4Q, 2017)) .300 Winchester Magnum 150 Grain, From Last Week: -.06 Each After Unchanged (4Q, 2017) Cheapest, 20 rounds: Selway Armory, Prvi Partizan, Brass Casing, SP, .75 per round Cheapest Bulk, 500 rounds: Target Sports USA, Prvi Partizan, Brass Casing, SP, .85 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged 4Q, 2017) .338 Lapua Magnum 250 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (6 Weeks) Cheapest, 20 rounds: Outdoor Limited, Ten Ring, Brass Casing, SP, 2.15 per round Cheapest Bulk, 200 rounds: Cabelas, Prvi Partizan, Brass Casing, HPBT, 2.80 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (9 Weeks)) .22 LR 40 Grain, From Last Week: Unchanged (3 Weeks) Cheapest, 50 rounds: Ammo King, Aguila, RNL, .04 per round Cheapest Bulk, 5,000 rounds: Ammo King, Aguila, RNL, .04 per round (From Last Week: Unchanged (2Q, 2017)) Guns for Private Sale Rifles .223/5.56mm (AR Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $440 Last Week Avg: $440(=) ($616 (2Q, 2015), $387 (24 Weeks)) Arizona (201, 3Q, 2017(+3))(114, 117): Mixed Build: $500 ($740 (8 Weeks), $300 (23 Weeks)) Texas (484, 3Q, 2017(+3))(354, 337): Unknown Brand: $450 ($700 (1Q, 2015), $350 (2Q, 2015)) Pennsylvania (249, 3Q, 2017(+6))(156, 150): Mixed Build: $450 ($700 (2Q, 2015), $300 (3Q, 2015)) Virginia (282, 3Q, 2017)(250, 233): Anderson: $450 ($750 (1Q, 2015), $300 (12 Weeks)) Florida (679, 3Q, 2017)(474, 477): American Tactical Imports: $350 ($650 (2Q, 2015), $350 (2 Weeks)) .308 NATO (AR-10 Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $870 Last Week Avg: $820(+) ($1,359 (2Q, 2015), $766 (36 Weeks)) Arizona (49, 3Q, 2017(+6))(39, 46): Aero Precision: $1,000 ($2,300 (36 Weeks), $500 (19 Weeks)) Texas (178, 3Q, 2017)(87, 91): DPMS: $750 ($1,500 (4Q, 2014), $600 (2 Weeks)) Pennsylvania (54, 3Q, 2017)(34, 28): Core Rifle Systems: $1,100 ($1,600 (4Q, 2016), $700 (3Q, 2015)) Virginia (86, 3Q, 2017)(62, 62): Bushmaster ORC: $850 ($2,750 (1Q, 2016), $675 (15 Weeks)) Florida (128, 3Q, 2017(+3))(66, 58): DPMS: $650 ($1,950 (2Q, 1016), $500 (3Q, 2015)) 7.62x39mm (AK Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $728 Last Week Avg: $650(+) ($728 CA:($668 (3Q, 2016), $450 (3Q, 2015))) Arizona (34, 3Q, 2017(+3))(33, 30): East German: $950 (CA:$925 (35 Weeks), $400 (40 Weeks)) Texas (141, 3Q, 2017)(67, 66): Zastava M70AB2: $1,000 ($1,000 (CA: $900 (1 Weeks)), $350 (3Q, 2014)) Pennsylvania (75, 3Q, 2017)(54, 57): WASR: $550 ($750 (1Q, 2015), $375 (1Q, 2015)) Virginia (72, 3Q, 2017)(53, 54): RAS-47: $540 ($700 (2Q, 2016), $300 (15 Weeks)) Florida (146, 3Q, 2017)(141, 131): Feg AMD 65: $600 ($700 (1Q, 2016), $300 (4Q, 2014)) 30-30 Winchester Lever Action Average Price: $475 Last Week Avg: $424(+) ($495 (4Q, 2016), $296 (3Q, 2015)) Arizona (14, 3Q, 2017)(4, 5): Marlin XLR: $800 ($800 CA:($595 (2 Weeks), $200 (39 Weeks))) Texas (35, 3Q, 2017(+2))(25, 25): Mossberg 464: $375 ($550 (1Q, 2015), $295 (38 Weeks)) Pennsylvania (23, 3Q, 2017)(16, 12): Winchester 94: $400 ($450 (1Q, 2015), $250 (4Q, 2014)) Virginia (19, 3Q, 2017(+3))(7, 8): Marlin 336W: $400 ($670 (2Q, 2016), $250 (4Q, 2015)) Florida (34, 3Q, 2017)(22, 24): Winchester 94: $400 ($500 (1Q, 2015), $250 (2Q, 2015)) Pistols .45 caliber ACP (M1911 Pattern Semiautomatic Pistol) Average Price: 473 Last Week Avg: $435(+) ($525 (3Q, 2016), $350 (4Q, 2015)) Arizona (134, 3Q, 2017(+5))(89, 94): Taurus: $515 ($700 (40 Weeks), $325 (26 Weeks)) Texas (361, 3Q, 2017 (+3))(273, 271): Remington R1: $500 ($600 (4Q, 2014), $300 (4Q, 2016)) Pennsylvania (178, 3Q, 2017)(176, 171): Remington R1: $425 ($600 (28 Weeks), $300 (2Q, 2015)) Virginia (204, 3Q, 2017(+3))(169, 170): Taurus PT 1911: $500 ($775 (28 Weeks), $250 (4Q, 2014)) Florida (440, 3Q, 2017)(308, 312): Remington R1: $425 ($500 (1Q, 2016), $250 (1Q, 2015)) 9mm (Beretta 92FS or other Semiautomatic) Average Price: $275 Last Week Avg: $260(+) ($358 (1Q, 2016), $207 (40 Weeks)) Arizona (238, 3Q, 2017)(181, 173): Smith & Wesson: $250 ($400 (47 Weeks), $180 (15 Weeks)) Texas (586, 3Q, 2017(+3))(488, 485): Smith & Wesson SD9VE: $250 ($355 (1Q, 2015), $180 (17 Weeks)) Pennsylvania (368, 3Q, 2017)(346, 352): Kel Tec P-11: $250 ($350 (4Q 2014), $150 (1Q, 2017)) Virginia (365, 3Q, 2017(+6))(321, 321): Ruger SR9: $350 ($425 (4Q, 2016), $189 (2Q, 2016)) Florida (827, 3Q, 2017)(717, 687): Smith & Wesson SW9VE: $275 ($400 (1Q, 2016), $160 (41 Weeks)) .40 caliber S&W (Glock or other semiautomatic) Average Price: $317 Last Week Avg: $336(-) ($399 (1Q, 2016), $262 (2Q, 2016)) Arizona (77, 3Q, 2017(+2))(44, 44): Smith & Wesson: $350 ($500 (1Q, 2017), $195 (37 Weeks)) Texas (156, 3Q, 2017(+2))(130, 132): Smith & Wesson: $280 ($425 (4Q, 2014), $180 (10 Weeks)) Pennsylvania (115, 3Q, 2017(+5))(93, 92): Ruger SR40C: $325 ($450 (2Q, 2016), $200 (3Q, 2016)) Virginia (109, 3Q, 2017(+4))(94, 95): Smith & Wesson SD40VE: $350 ($450 (2Q, 2015), $220 (6 Weeks)) Florida (193, 3Q, 2017(+3))(164, 147): Smith & Wesson SD40VE: $280 ($400 (1Q, 2015), $199 (4Q, 2015)) Used Gun of the Week: (Washington) Mixed Build semiautomatic rifle chambered in 6.8mm SPCII Posted by: badanov 2018-02-17 |
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