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Fifth Column
Ohio Dummycrat wins today's bonehead statement award
2003-03-06
Before launching a military strike against Iraq, Americans should consider their own history to remember how powerful the mix of religion and politics can be, U.S. Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D., Toledo) said.
It's funny how a Dim has no problem bringing up religion with a straight face when it further's their agenda.
"If you think back to our founding as a country, we are a country of revolution," Miss Kaptur said in an interview this week. She and the Rev. Jim Bacik, pastor of Toledo’s Corpus Christi University Parish, will speak at a workshop Friday for local Catholic leaders titled "Preaching and Teaching Peace in the Face of War."
I'll bet they can hardly wait...
When America "cast off monarchical Britain" in 1776, it involved the help of many religious people who had fled repression in other countries, the 11-term Toledo congressman said. Among the nontraditional American revolutionaries were the Green Mountain Boys, a patriot militia organized in 1770 in Bennington, Vt., to confront British forces, she said.
"One could say that Osama bin Laden and these non-nation-state fighters with religious purpose are very similar to those kind of atypical revolutionaries that helped to cast off the British crown," Miss Kaptur said.
So Osama would be the Muslim equivalent of, who? Washington? Jefferson? Ethan Allen? This ditz is an 11 term congressman? Way to go Toledo!
One could maybe say that if one was deeply under the influence of powerful recreational medications, I suppose. Or if one had been dropped on one's head. I can't think of many other situations where... Oh. Yeah. I guess one could say that if one was a dim-witted congressperson who hasn't had any headlines in awhile and who thinks her district is really, really safe...
In Iraq and other Arab nations where revolutions are potentially brewing, religious fervor will play a vital role in shaping political events, she said, and the United States must be careful "not to get caught in the crossfire."
We're already in the crossfire, honey. Go look at those 2 big holes in the ground in New York.
It isn't getting "caught in the crossfire" when it's you they're shooting at...
"I think that one thing that people of faith understand about the world of Islam is that the kind of insurgency we see occurring in many of these countries is an act of hope that life will be better using Islam as the only reed that they have to lean on.
Hope in one hand, poop in the other, and see which one fills first. A philosophy of "kill all infidels and rape their wimmin" isn't a philosophy of hope, it's a philosophy of murder and rapine...
"I think that people of faith understand that for many of the terrorists, their actions are acts of sacred piety to the point of losing their lives. And I think that people of faith understand that there is a heavy religious overtone to the opposition."
It's a Religion of Peace, right Marcy?
There's also a heavy overtone of lunacy in the terror machine. Apparently there is in some corners of Congress, too...
If the United States ousts Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and seizes the land, it would not resolve the underlying problems leading to political and social upheaval, she said. "Even if we take the ground, we do not share the culture," she said, "and in the end we have to learn to coexist in a world with religious states that we may not agree with and find ways to cooperate."
Kumbaya, Marcy, Kumbaya...
Iraq isn't a religious state. It's a secular state. Sammy mumbles something about "Allah" when it suits his purposes, otherwise spends his time smoking cigars, drinking whisky, and diddling a bevy of mistresses — when he's not killing people in inventive manners...
Miss Kaptur, a lifelong member of The Dumbass Club Toledo’s Little Flower Catholic Parish, said her political and moral views were influenced by her family’s tradition of Roman Catholicism and service in the U.S. Marine Corps and Army infantry.
When were you in Marcy? Dims like bringing up their military backgrounds, even if they don't have one personally.
"Our tradition is to exhaust all reasonable means before one goes to war because our family, like so many others in our area, knows the price of war," she said. The standards of the "Just War Theory," developed by Saint Augustine in the 4th Century, are not clearly defined in the present U.S.-Iraq showdown, Miss Kaptur said. "I think that’s why there is so much angst and division over this because we’re in the gray area here," she said. "People of religious tradition are making their voices be heard very loudly on this one. I think there’s sort of an instinctual sense that something isn’t right here, and while they know there is a problem they are not sure that war is the solution."
"Us morally superior people know that war is not the answer — blabber is. If you talk long enough and witlessly enough, eventually you'll either bore your opponent to death or he'll laugh himself to death. Not that we have any opponents, mind you..."
The Catholic tradition calls for embracing the poor and the dispossessed, Miss Kaptur said. Rather than initiating military action, the United States should try to counter the poverty and repression that breed terrorism in the Mideast.
Good idea. Let's try and counter the poverty and repression that breed terrorism in Iraq by killing Sammy. He's been repressing his people for 30 years. They used to be fairly well off, because of the oil in their country, until he started spending all the dough on armaments and trying to steal Kuwait...
"I think food and education will help stem the poverty of the young people who are being drawn into terrorism every day," she said. "The reason I think this is such an important moment in history is because the United States cannot become the target of the anguish of the dispossessed in the most undemocratic region of the world."
Maybe we're going over to do something about that, Marcy?
Posted by:tu3031

#8  Hi Frank,guess I should have mentioned Protestant
atrocities too,sorry about that.
I would bet Sadam and JungIl are glad you are not priesident also.

Just heard on local news,break out the beer and lets go utalate in the back yard.News says OBL's son has just been captured.
Posted by: raptor   2003-03-07 09:24:16  

#7  Raptor, yes, most of that is true, and I think a reflection on the many evils done in the name of teh church is also why the church has gone so far to the opposite extreme - saying there's no such thing as a "just" and moral war. I know different, which is why I do not hold the vatican as my own personal hierarchy, and certainly do not consider the pope infallible as is also doctrine. Simply realize that not all Catholics follow the dogma. If I were president Baghdad and Pyongyang would be smoking craters....good thing I'm not, huh?
Posted by: Frank G   2003-03-07 08:24:23  

#6  Frank,I live in central Arizona.We have a very large Catholic population here,all the Catholics I know are good people.But a can't let this go without comment.
"embracing the poor and the dispossessed"
Ms.Marcy would this be the same religion that started several Crusades(including the"Children's Crusade sending thousnds of children to thier deaths from starvation,disease,and slavery)how about the genocide of Jews,Lutherians,and Hugenots.
I seem to remember that it was Catholics who started the Inquisition,wasn't Spainish Catholics who destroyed the cultures and religions of Mexico,Central and South America.
That is not what I would say is a good way to"embracing the poor and the dispossessed".

Posted by: raptor   2003-03-07 07:20:59  

#5  careful with that tar brush Willis - I'm Roman Catholic and I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone more pro-"take Saddams head on a plate" than me - it's useful to remember that those who parade their religion, do so to excuse the moral vacuity of their position. As for the Vatican and some of the clergy who are against the war at all costs (moral and the lives of those under the boot), well..that explains the disconnect between most American Catholics and the hierarchy... oh and the priests who molest children? They should've been cast into prison with real molesters a LONG time ago. There's no excuse or rationale why that didn't happen
Frank
Posted by: Frank G   2003-03-06 18:25:12  

#4  Hey, maybe we can take the catholic approach, and gather up all the little Iraqi boys, under the age of oh 12 or so, and let the catholic priests do some of there special mentoring, oh but that wasnt nice now was it...........
Posted by: willis   2003-03-06 17:49:43  

#3  "caught in the crossfire"?!?!?

Listen you sunt, OBL and his ilk are AIMING AT US... this isn't crossfire, we are UNDER FIRE.
Posted by: Anne Elk   2003-03-06 15:02:23  

#2  If it's not soul-searching, it's backpedaling.

Got this from a friend:

Senator Clinton is currently taking a poll of her constituents re: the war on Iraq. Please call today-she may be considering taking a stand against the war. The number to call and express your opinion is:

212-688-6262. It takes one second. EVERY VOICE COUNTS. I called, and got through quickly.
---

I called, got through too. It is true; she's taking a poll. Call now; vote yes.
Posted by: growler   2003-03-06 15:00:06  

#1  First Murray, now this hose-bag. I pray that someone is taking names down, so that these morons can be made to face the music when the time comes, especially at election time. We finally get to see the true face of the Liberals in this country who have managed to hide just below the surface. As war gets closer they just can't resist opening their big, fat, nauseating cake holes and expose themselves for the empty shell of a human being that they really are. 9/11...Never forget!...Never forgive!
Posted by: Rex Mundi   2003-03-06 14:57:27  

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