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Fifth Column
Janeane sez "Bend over, put your head in the sand, and put a flag in your ass."
2003-05-01
(greatly edited for brevity and to cut out the Hollywood fluff)
Though she has a framed photo of herself and Bill Clinton nearby,
(Why anyone would want to exhibit such a picture is beyond me.)
Janeane Garofalo mentions that she protested Desert Fox, Clinton's 1998 bombing of Iraq.
(What did that consist of? Scaling back her political contributions?)
And she's adamant about the Bush Administration. "There's nothing you could point to in the Bush Administration with pride," she says. "Nothing. There is no way any rational, reasonable person can say that the Bush Administration has been good for America."
It is surreal how out of touch the left is with the rest of America. But it proves the point. The left was decidedly more anti-Bush than anti-war and that is what drove the so-called "peace movement".
Question: Why are you speaking out against this war in Iraq?
Janeane Garofalo: I'm so public about this because I've been asked to do so and because I painfully felt that the anti-war movement was being ignored.
And so, like my three-year old, "I'm gonna keep screaming until I get some attention!"
But as it became abundantly clear that no one was getting on TV talking about this, and when I was specifically approached by the founders of Win Without War and some people at MoveOn.org, I said yes. And I wasn't reluctant about it. I can't stand watching history roll right over us. It's like they're asking you to bend over, put your head in the sand, and put a flag in your ass.
And given your girth, it could accomadate a mighty big flag.

Q: Have you felt a backlash from speaking out?
Garofalo: Ohmigod. It's ridic. I'm not saying that it's just me, it's everybody who's spoken out. The press has wasted America's time, an inordinate amount of time, with celebrity bashing.
But, boy oh boy, has it been fun.
First of all, why are you wasting time celebrity bashing? Don't book me. Don't put me on your show. You have a choice. You can book a guest you can respect or you can respect the guest you book.
Or, we can book you and abuse you.
It's really kind of fun, mocking you and making fun of you...
They love to pretend that if you are in entertainment, that's what defines you and you can't possibly have any knowledge of what's going on in the news. So you have grown adult anchors and media people who are literally acting like twelve year olds, saying, "You shut up. You don't know anything." Literally treating you with the contempt of a schoolyard bully.
"Whereas, really, somebody like me knows all sorts of things. Not substantive things, mind you, but things that are firmly grounded in opinion..."

Q: Have you gotten a lot of hate mail?
Garofalo: Oh shit, yeah. I had to change my home phone number. A lot of the hate mail I get is clearly misogynist. I am a proud liberal, feminist woman, and the hate mail I get for those three things is not about me. It's about those signifiers, and about what the right in this country has managed to do to perpetuate anger over what they mean. Then there is a lot of the hate mail that says actors are too wealthy to understand what's going on. The actors live in Hollywood, all this kind of nonsense. Do they realize how wealthy the Bush family is or the Cheney family? The Ashcrofts? Bill O'Reilly? Tom Brokaw?
Yes, that raging hard-right Brokaw dude.
Do they realize that if you are talking about the Administration now, Bush and Cheney in particular, the life of privilege, wealth, and elitism they have lived? If you are going to talk about somebody not understanding the common man, then look no further than the Beltway. It is shocking that some people's lives are enriched by this nonsense—these boycotts and e-mails. They are proving themselves to be fundamentally anti-American and anti-democratic. They are against the First Amendment, so what are they defending? Unless they are trying to build a fascist Administration, unless they are trying to bring the American people to a point that we exist under a totalitarian regime. That brings us to some of the rightwing pundits who dominate the radio, like Mike Savage, or some of the commentators at Fox--the Ann Coulters, what have you. I think what they do is they turn their own personal issues--whether they be racist, homophobic, sexist, xenophobic, or imperialistic--and they wrap them in the flag and hide them behind Jesus.
Isn't Savage and Coulter Jewish?

Q: Do you think it's possible to have a liberal media network?
Garofalo: It is possible.
Possible? That answer leaves me incredulous. How about NPR, Pacifica Radio, ABC, CBS, NBC, BBC, Reuters, Associated Press and Public Television (Bill Moyers, specifically)?
What's not possible is to penetrate the wall of opposition. The myth is it can't work. Phil Donahue was working, but MSNBC took it off for their own rightwing agenda. A liberal radio network can easily work. What will accompany it, unfortunately, will be an overwhelming opposition to it in the mainstream media and by the punditocrity. Again, a lot of these pundits just sit around on these chat shows and repeat each other. They repeat phrases and words, and the news cannibalizes itself.

Q: What about the rumor that you might be involved in a new liberal radio talk show?
Garofalo: I don't know. I've been talking to Jon Sinton, who is trying to get this going. I am certainly willing to hear him out and go forward if it looks like something with integrity.
"I mean, I don't just want something where people call in and call me names until I start to cry or something. I'd like something more substantial than that. But I can't think of any other format that would make any money..."

Q: Are there any sit-coms in your future?
Garofalo: I don't know. I'm working on one for ABC.
Please, everyone let's kill this before it gets started.
It's going to be shot in Vancouver.
"It's got Gary Coleman in it, and John Ritter, and one of Suzanne Sommers' breasts, I think..."
But it's not a done deal; we're just shooting the pilot.
"They've already shot the writers, but the producer got away. He's the guy who stole Sean Penn's car..."
But with all this anti-war stuff, you never know. I never imagined that I would never care about dumb things anymore. I never imagined I'd be a person who could transcend that kind of nonsense.
"And I'm not, really. Everything I do care about, care deeply about, turns out to be dumb."
But beyond that, I never imagined I would be penalized for speaking out in favor of social justice.
"With my looks, I never even imagined anyone would pay attention to me. I'd just kinda slide, in the background, y'know..."
I never thought that anyone who spoke out for peace, and diplomacy, and social justice would be pilloried. I'm frequently depressed, just have a general malaise.
"I mean, look at me. I'm a young woman who wears birth-control glasses by choice. I have no noticeable bosom. My social skills stink. And every time I try to say something meaningful it comes out sounding like I'm regurgitating something Ed Asner ate. Wouldn't you be depressed?"
And I don't mean a malaise of indifference, I mean a malaise of sadness and fear.
"We're talking Jimmy Carter-style malaise here, folks! Where's my sweater? Oh. I have it on."
I've always been alarmed by some of the things that the mainstream media does and by what the government does, no matter who's in office, but the broken heart is new.
Posted by:ColoradoConservative

#13  YAWN.... I'd turn the channel or scroll on by, but the people mocking you, Jeaneane, (unlike you) are actually very funny.

You are just the pole in the Polish joke. A sidekick, a prop. Today's headline, tomorrow's bye-bye line.

PC Disclaimer: polish reference for analogy purposes only, no offense intended toward anyone or anything Polish.
Posted by: Becky   2003-05-01 21:31:08  

#12  You know maybe I don't watch TV enough. Until she opened her mouth and started to complain, as is her right, I never even knew that she existed. What has she done in her life to jusfify her getting all the attention she's got? Been a stan-up comic? Had a TV show? Just what the F**K am I missing here?
Posted by: Someone who did NOT vote for William Proxmire   2003-05-01 16:13:26  

#11  JG is right in one way. Why did she and all the celebs get so much air time and ink in their opposition to the war? As she said, Don't book us if you don't consider us experts.

Here's the answer, JG. Our celeb-driven society is so narcissistic (sp?) that the media/entertainment industry just loves reporting on what media/entertainment personalities are doing and if the story is juicier if a celeb is at the center, then it will be commented on ad nauseum by supporters and detractors. This is one reason I enjoy listening to Drudge on Sunday nights. He really connects the points. EG, How much do you hear in the mainstream media about AOL-Time Warner's $100 billion loss for 2002? Correct me if I'm wrong on that figure. Matt was all over it. Time/CNN sure as hell weren't, but was all over Enron/MCI paltry $3-$6 billion.

Just think about all the "experts" commentating leading up to the war, during and even now. So many of them are the same cast of characters who come on to comment on anything. What about the absolute dearth of Iraqi exiles/refugees interviewed in the mainstream media? I wanted to throw my remote so often when I saw the gray sock sandal crowd here in the Windy City and elsewhere giving their inadequate answers on their opposition to the war. Then constant follow up articles in the Trib on the anxiety of the anti-war crowd and their hurt feelings on people using THEIR first amendment rights pointing out protesters naivite. Hell, we got at least 20,000 Iraqis in the Chicago area and they got so little coverage. I guess they were not just photogenic enough.

Here's a list of people I don't want to see on TV anymore regarding the Middle East/Iraq: Tom Friedman, Michael Kinsley, Youssef Ibrahim, Johnny Apple, JG, Streisand, Walid Phares, Robert Novak, to name a few. Others?

Give me more of: Chris Hitchens, Bernard Lewis, Fouad Al-Ajmi, Khidir Hamza, Richard Holbrooke, Rumsfeld. Others?

Posted by: Michael   2003-05-01 15:58:58  

#10  minor correction - Blair is of course head of government, Lizzie Windsor remains UK head of state.

point remains the same.
Posted by: liberalhawk   2003-05-01 15:43:37  

#9  colorado cons:

Hewitt (whoever he is) is incorrect (if not an actual liar). Edwards made a prowar statement at, i think it was gathering in Iowa - and according to the New Republic reporter (IIRC) he was applauded by only one individual, as the rest sat in stony silence. I cant vouch for any Lieberman statements during the war, (funny how dem presidential candidates didnt get alot of coverage during the war;) but Joe has been rock solid on Iraq longer than dubya. Gephardt is a later convertbut has been solid for months. all three have been villified by the left. Asking if they actually did what Blair did is a red herring - they arent heads of state, they dont have the heft to do what Blair did. Lieberman could have said identical things to what Blair said (and i rather suspect he did) and he wouldnt have been covered, since it would be the act of presidential candidate, not a head of state.

I will not defend Kerry, who as far as I can tell WAS waffling.
Posted by: liberalhawk   2003-05-01 15:39:27  

#8  It is alarmingly ironic that the Hollywood Left cries "McCarthyism" at every turn but guess who's strongarming the 1st amendment? Yep - the Hollywood Left, who used their muscle - via the William Morris Agency - to shut down the Boycott Hollywood site. Read on from Instapundit:

"MORE CRUSHING OF DISSENT: The Boycott Hollywood site is being shut down -- by legal muscle from Hollywood. There's a copy of the threat letter on the site. Here's the response:

I can say only this - - the fact that we're being shut down because of the William Morris Agency tells me that we truly touched a raw nerve in someone, somewhere. At the very least, it tells me that our message was recieved by the people that it was intended for. The very fact that we cannot express our opinions regarding the views of these stars/celebs shows me, yet again, the double standard that exists in Follywood.


Yes, if you even criticize these guys they scream "censorship" -- but Hollywood is censoring more speech in America than John Ashcroft has.

I'll also note that there's a lame subject-verb disagreement in the threat letter. Uneducated philistines!"

http://www.instapundit.com/archives/009284.php#009284


Posted by: ColoradoConservative   2003-05-01 14:55:00  

#7  "Phil Donahue was working," Huh????????
"but MSNBC took it off for their own right-wing agenda." Huh??????????????????????????
Posted by: Mike N.   2003-05-01 14:43:40  

#6  Liberal Hawk:

Hugh Hewitt obviously disagrees with you. Here's what Hugh had to say about the Will Marshall piece in WaPo:

"Will Marshall, also writing in the Post, is the President of the Progressive Policy Institute. Today he is trying to pass John Kerry, John Edwards and Dick Gephardt off as "Blair Democrats." What nonsense. Ask yourself, did any one of these three go out of their way to rally support for the war, to face down members of the Axis of Weasels, or to challenge the bitter, anti-war zealots of their own caucus? No, they simply maneuvered. It is an insult to Tony Blair's leadership in the war to compare it to the wind-blown manueverings of Kerry, Edwards, and Gephardt. The public was watching the war."

http://www.hughhewitt.com/
Posted by: ColoradoConservative   2003-05-01 14:31:35  

#5  "Garofalo mentions that she protested Desert Fox, Clinton's 1998 bombing of Iraq. (What did that consist of? Scaline back her political contributions?) "

you're not aware how many lefties disliked Clinton? Howell Raines and the NYT for example. Never forgave him for supporting welfare reform. Farther left they never forgave him for attacking Slobo.

Will Marshall has a good piece in today's WaPo on the need to nominate a "Blair Democrat". I disagree with Marshall in that he includes Kerry with the "Blair Democrats" - I dont think he deserves the honor.
Posted by: liberalhawk   2003-05-01 14:19:22  

#4  So the idiot has a kid. I picture her and her child having a Discussion a few years from now:

Child: "Mom, when you said that there's nothing you could point to in the Bush Administration with pride, did that include his sending troops into Iraq and their RESCUING CHILDREN FROM A CHILDREN'S PRISON?"

Jeneane: "Yes."

Child: "Who's my dad? I think I want to live with him."

Janeane: "It's back in the closet for you, kid. Call a Republican if you get hungry."
Posted by: FormerLiberal   2003-05-01 14:14:46  

#3  Where's the interview question asking when she's planning to keep her crawling-on-broken-glass-at-the-white-house promise?
Posted by: Scooter McGruder   2003-05-01 14:12:50  

#2  I figure she's on about minute 14. Don't work too hard on the new sitcom, hon. It'll be a lot of wasted effort.
Posted by: tu3031   2003-05-01 14:03:59  

#1  Social justice!? What about putting the kibosh on Saddamn?

Gahro-fall-o, you're the one whose head is in the sand. And is that a communist flag I see…
Posted by: KP   2003-05-01 13:54:11  

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