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Iraq
Odai, Qusai Deaths Go Against U.S. Ban
2003-07-24
So sez a writer for the AP, anyway...
By GEORGE GEDDA, Associated Press Writer
In theory, pursuing with intent to kill violates a long-standing policy banning political assassination. It was the misfortune of Saddam Hussein's sons, Odai and Qusai, that the Bush administration has not bothered to enforce the prohibition.
George's logic train's derailed here. It wasn't an assassination — it was a shootout. We had the heavy artillery...
The brothers were killed during a six-hour raid Tuesday at a palatial villa in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul by U.S. forces acting on a tip from an informant. They ranked just below their father in the deposed regime. Odai, in particular, had a reputation for brutality. Officials said people inside the villa opened fire first — but left little doubt what the U.S. troops hoped to accomplish. "We remain focused on finding, fixing, killing or capturing all members of the high-value target list," Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, commander of coalition troops in Iraq, announcing the deaths of Odai and Qusai.
Doesn't make it an assassination, anymore than if we'd captured them, put them on trial, gotten a sentence, and hanged 'em...
The ban has been overlooked so often in recent years that some wonder why the administration doesn't simply declare the measure null and void.
But we've now changed the subject from Uday and Qusay to something else, while pretending we haven't...
Earlier this week, the U.S. administrator for Iraq, L. Paul Bremer, stated in unusually candid terms the administration's disregard for the assassination ban. Appearing on NBC TV's "Meet the Press," Bremer said U.S. officials presumed that Saddam was still alive and that American forces were trying to kill him. "The sooner we can either kill him or capture him, the better," Bremer said.
Still a different critter: Sammy's not a head of state anymore. He's in the same category as Pancho Villa, a bandido heading a gang of killers. The fact that he's trying to reestablish control in Iraq is beside the point. If he had a boat, he'd be a pirate. There's no rule against bumping off pirates...
Often in the past, officials resorted to winks and nods or other circumlocutions when asked about U.S. actions that gave the appearance of homicidal intent.
Another subject change...
Consider President Reagan's response when he was asked whether the bombing of Moammar Gadhafi's residence in 1986 constituted an effort to kill the Libyan leader. "I don't think any of us would have shed tears if that had happened," Reagan said.
But we didn't send a paid assassin to sneak up behind him and apply a garrotte. If he commits an act of war against us — in this case, bombing a disco because it was frequented by our troops — and we commit a retaliatory act of war, it's tough noogies if he's standing in the spot the bombs land. In this case, it was his daughter who was standing there. By the same token, had Hitler, Himmler or Goering been standing under one of the blockbusters that hit Berlin, it would have been tough nails for them...
Over the past five years, U.S.-sponsored assassination attempts have been on the increase. Targets have included Osama bin Laden, former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic among others.
Which others? Haven't heard about a hit on Milosevic. If George is referring to the bombing of Tora Bora, that, too was a military operation. What is it about military operations he doesn't understand?
Former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said before the start of the Iraq war that the assassination ban would not apply once hostilities broke out. "People who are in charge of fighting the war to kill United States troops cannot assume that they will be safe," Fleischer said, making clear that Saddam would not be exempt.
Which is pretty much SOP when you're at war. Ask Admiral Yamamoto...
Bremer says the rationale for going after Saddam now even though he is no longer in power is that he remains a rallying point for supporters.
See pirate analogy above. I'm tired of repeating myself, even though George isn't...
The ban on assassinations, spelled out in an executive order signed by President Ford in 1976 and reinforced by Presidents Carter and Reagan, made no distinction between wartime and peacetime.
It made no distinctions among bovine and human, either. We continued bumping off beef cows...
There are no loop holes; no matter how awful the leader, he could not be a U.S. target either directly or by a hired hand.
Which is really too bad, since the world would be better off without Chuck, Bob and a few dozen others...
The advantages of using assassination as a political tool seemed less obvious a generation ago than they are today.
I guess Skorzeny must be two generations back now, huh?
Ford's executive order was in response to the general revulsion over disclosures by a Senate committee about a series of overseas U.S. assassination attempts — some successful, some not — over many years. The committee found eight attempts on the life of Cuban President Fidel Castro. Other targets included Rafael Trujillo of the Dominican Republic and Patrice Lumumba of the Congo, both in 1961; and Ngo Dinh Diem of South Vietnam in 1963. Lumumba and Diem were both assassinated, although the degree of U.S. involvement has never been clear.
But George is sure it musta been us...
One rationale for the ban was that an attempt on the life of a foreign leader could produce retaliation — a concern borne out in U.S.-Libyan tit-for-tat attacks during the late 1980's. Libyan agents killed two U.S. soldiers at a German disco in early April 1986. Days later, Reagan authorized the bombing of Libya; Gadhafi was spared but his 15-month old daughter was killed. Libyan agents were behind the bombing of Pan Am flight 103 in 1988, killing 270, most of them Americans.
I think he has his tits and tats mixed up...
Support for the assassination ban appears to have eroded considerably after Sept. 11, 2001. The events of that day demonstrated that a small but determined group, no matter how far away, could pose a greater threat to ordinary Americans than the German Luftwaffe could in 1940. Abraham Sofaer, a former State Department legal adviser, makes the case for pre-emption against terrorists: "If a leader ... is responsible for killing Americans, and is planning to kill more Americans ... it would be perfectly proper to kill him rather than to wait until more Americans were killed." The Bush administration seems to agree, but the old assassination taboo lives on, at least on paper. "There's an executive order that prohibits the assassination of foreign leaders, and that remains in place," a White House spokesman said just as the Iraq hostilities were about to begin.
George Gedda has covered foreign affairs for The Associated Press since 1968.
Maybe you should think about retirement, George...
Posted by:SamIII

#13  George probably wanted the Airborne to shoot the guns outta their hands and capture them. The Lone Ranger used to do it all the time.
Posted by: tu3031   2003-7-24 11:32:41 PM  

#12  Odious and Queasy?

Fuck them. And everybody like them.
Posted by: mojo   2003-7-24 10:18:08 PM  

#11  Thank you! I'm at the airport Hilton Tuesday nights.
Posted by: 11A5S   2003-7-24 7:14:49 PM  

#10  11A5S: LOL!
Posted by: Secret Master   2003-7-24 6:57:20 PM  

#9  covered foreign affairs for The Associated Press since 1968

1968. Why am I not surprised.
Posted by: Rafael   2003-7-24 6:23:00 PM  

#8  Gedda life George.
Posted by: Sgt.DT   2003-7-24 5:36:20 PM  

#7  I'm still waiting for the loony left to carry this kind of thinking to its logical conclusion and inaugurate the International Criminal Gendarmerie (I think it has a rather European flavor to it, no?) to go along with the International Criminal Court. I picture them in nice blue tunics with those pill box hats like the French wear -- maybe some nice cavalry boots too... with lots of straps. Then they can take their International Search Warrants and International Arrest Warrants and fly around the world in search of International Criminals. Of course the warrants never get issued because Cuba and Syria chair that committee, but that's a minor detail. The point is that they'll look good in those snappy uniforms and the lefty nutjobs will be happy because they've struck another hammer blow in the name of peace. And every decade or so, a warrant will somehow slip through, and a new guy will be on duty that night, who doesn't know he's supposed to ignore it anyway. He'll fly off to Upper Revolta, where he'll immediately be hacked to death by a machete wielding crowd of rebels/loyalists/lingerie wearing mercenaries. And everyone at Rantburg will have a good chuckle.
Posted by: 11A5S   2003-7-24 5:11:31 PM  

#6   Here we go with the left's tried and true tactic of trying to minimize another military success, perverting the facts to fit their twisted argument and then rambling on to another subject to try and "steal the thunder".

Loser from Planet Left Alert!!!
Posted by: Paul   2003-7-24 5:10:53 PM  

#5  Odd that this was not marked as an editorial or opinion piece. It clearly is.

As the administration stated repeatedly at the start of the Liberation of Iraq, military commanders are legitimate targets. Both "Oboy!" and "Youboy!" commanded military units that engaged and are engaging in combat operations against us.

My guess is that Bush has signed a special finding that the executive order does not apply in this case. Quite legal and proper.
Posted by: Chuck   2003-7-24 4:45:38 PM  

#4  How do idiots such as GG find their way to the bathroom in the mornings? Or know what to do when they get there?

Too stupid to live should be a valid diagnosis!
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2003-7-24 4:17:55 PM  

#3  Ahah. The same way we targeted Sammy during GWII...
Posted by: Fred   2003-7-24 4:11:25 PM  

#2  Sorry I forgot to add that we did target Milosovic during the Balkans conflict. So I guess Billy did not like the Executive order either.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge   2003-7-24 3:58:10 PM  

#1  The ban of which everyone is speaking is an Executive Order by President Ford. I am not sure of the legalities, but I think suceeding Presidients can ignore, remove, or change executive orders as they wish. I don't think it covers people who start shooting first.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge   2003-7-24 3:54:40 PM  

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