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Iraq
Ankara links Iraq force to US action over Kurds
2003-09-30
Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey’s prime minister, is wavering in his commitment to send troops to Iraq because he has not received firm assurances from the US that it will round up secessionist Kurds hiding in northern Iraq. General James Jones, commander of US forces in Europe, visited Turkey earlier this month to discuss the possible deployment of about 10,000 soldiers, but Mr Erdogan has continued to insist an agreement on Kurdish Workers party (PKK) separatists should be part of any deal.
Hmmm the war on terror includes only Taliban and everyone who is not with the Bush regime
Krazed Killers are krazed killers, regardless of what they call themselves. Wipe them all out.
"This is the key to the whole troop deployment business," the official said. "If the Americans do something about the PKK, the problem can be unlocked." Turkey is one of four countries Washington has been soliciting for a 10,000-strong division to take over from the 101st Airborne in central Iraq. Colin Powell, US secretary of state, admitted at the weekend that the US had given up on one of the countries, India, and Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan’s president, last week indicated that hostile domestic opinion made it unlikely he could commit troops other than as part of a UN-endorsed Muslim force.
Call’m lovers of the dictatorial Saddam regime (damn Pakis and Indies for not following the American just cause: oil Liberation
I'm glad in both cases. Having the Indos and the Paks patrolling the same territory doesn't make sense to me. Having the Paks in presents a mechanism to introduce even more religious nut-casery. I'm not too happy about having the Turks in — the Kurds don't like them, for reasons both valid and invalid, and the Kurds are the only party in Iraq that seem to wear their thinking hats regularly. Certainly they're the only group that's taken to democracy and free enterprise and are giving individual liberty a try...
South Korea, the fourth country approached, is weighing the request.
I think they're too scared of Kimmy to actually do anything. I wonder why we haven't asked Taiwan for troops?
Senior US generals have said the Pentagon will be forced to call up additional reserves to replace the 101st if no additional international troops were committed soon.
That's the most painful course for us, but in the long run it's the best course...
On Friday, Donald Rumsfeld, secretary of defence, mobilised two army national guard brigades, or about 10,000 troops, for service in Iraq. The army said it had notified another brigade it could be activated as well. In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, published on Monday, Abdullah Gul, Turkish foreign minister, said he was optimistic about a Turkish deployment.
Heheh, yeah me too
However, the official said on Monday: "Let us not forget that it is not only the Americans who have demands; we have demands too. The Americans must deliver on the PKK/KADEK terrorists Kurds."
So far we've been juggling krazed killer Sunnis in central Iraq, Moqtada Sadr and his nut-case followers, Iranian spies and saboteurs, jihadis from Syria, Soddy Arabia, and any other place that has high level of in-breeding, and Ansar al-Islam remnants; chasing down and either arresting or killing, stuffing and mounting Baathists; shutting down MKO; turning the water and the power back on; burying assassinated government officials — after establishing the government; building an army and a police force from next to scratch... Sure. We'll put the PKK on the list and we'll get around to them...
Analysts believe that, in addition to the Kurdish issue, Mr Erdogan remains concerned he may not be able to win parliamentary approval for the deployment.
If not, then tough. It won't be the first time.
Seven months ago the Turkish assembly rejected the government’s plan to allow US troops to invade Iraq from Turkish bases. "He is not sure he can get a motion through the assembly," said a western diplomat. He was defeated once and cannot risk a second defeat. There is still no agreement with the Americans over the conditions under which Turkish troops will operate once they are in Iraq."
If it's not worth it, don't push it...
A recent loan agreement signed between the US and Turkey includes provisions ensuring Turkey’s co-operation on Iraq, according to US embassy officials in Ankara.
Ted Kennedy describes it as a bribe...
Although US officials said Turkish peacekeepers were not a condition for determining Turkish co-operation, a local Turkish newspaper reported it had obtained documents which showed Ankara had promised not to intervene unilaterally in northern Iraq.
Posted by:Murat

#12  There was no disaster with the Turkish troops in Iraq because the U.S. told them not to cause one
Posted by: Anonymous   2003-9-30 7:28:36 PM  

#11  *Yawns* 27 Billion greenbacks says you, and every other liberal terrified of a democratic Iraq, is wrong about it being "all about oil", murat. Care to match and raise?
Posted by: Ptah   2003-9-30 5:51:51 PM  

#10  What does "felsefe yapma" mean?
Posted by: Katz   2003-9-30 4:04:32 PM  

#9  I was in Korea once. All of the 50 & over population can't thank us enough for being there because they remember. The under 30 SKor crowd can kiss my as^. No sense of history. I agree w/pulling out of Korea, if they can't see why we're there then I say bye. Same w/Okinawa, mainland Japan, Germany and definitely Puerto Rico. Bring the rest of the lads home. We can redeploy them on our own southern border for counter drug ops and illegal immigrant prevention.
Posted by: Jarhead   2003-9-30 10:54:01 AM  

#8  Turkish forces in the Kurdish zone would be a disaster waiting to happen.

And you figured that out all by yourself mr. Wiz kid? What about the approx. 3.000 troops which are there since 1998, why is there still no disaster (except the Americans).
Posted by: Murat   2003-9-30 10:29:20 AM  

#7  Screw waiting for South Korea to make a decisioon. The 2ID would make a great replacement and does not require anyone else's approval. The SK's in general hate the US and have lips that are addicted to Lil Kimeeeee's ass. It would be a very good move on our part and save us much irritation in Korea.
Posted by: Michael   2003-9-30 10:29:14 AM  

#6  Please don't feed the troll....
Posted by: Frank G   2003-9-30 9:39:57 AM  

#5  The final cure of the US foreign policy, mrs Laura Bush can help to lap up the battered US image. Hehehe :)

Anyway, she'll defenitely will sure do a lot better than that bunch of morons!
Posted by: Murat   2003-9-30 9:21:26 AM  

#4  Steve, Mike,

Ever heard of a Kurd named Turgut Ozal (big buddy of Bush senior) and former prime minister and President of Turkey. Seems that we can differ between a normal Kurd and PKK member, your conclusion is crap.

Commenting on the Turkish deployment of troops requested by Washington, I am very glad that foreign and military issues there are run by a squad of morons. Any skilful politician in Washington could easily get Ankara’s cooperation to send up to 100.000 troops, but the current Washington dodo’s cannot even manage to convince Ankara on 10.000 troops. But this is of no surprise since they fail globally accusing almost everyone of siding with Saddam.
Posted by: Murat   2003-9-30 9:10:28 AM  

#3  There are enough Pakistanis in Iraq already, they're the ones wearing the "We love Mullah Omar" shoulder patches and attacking our convoys. Indians troops in Iraq would have drawn these to them like flies to honey, so they would have been a liability. PKK is a terrorist group, the problem is that every Kurd looks like a PKK member to the Turkish military. Turkish forces in the Kurdish zone would be a disaster waiting to happen. Thanks, but no thanks, we have enough problems.
Posted by: Steve   2003-9-30 8:37:31 AM  

#2  Murat: Felsefe yapma!

You're too smart to be falling for the "it's all about oil" nonsense. If this were "all about oil" we wouldn't be helping the Iraqi people--at great monetary and (for the troops on the ground) personal sacrifice--to build a decent country out of the ruins of Saddam's thugocracy. We'd be occupying the oil fields and carpet bombing the rest.

The Kurds of Iraq suffered greatly under the prior regime--in part because two previous U.S. administrations and the UN left Saddam in power when we had the ability to remove him--and Kurds are God's children just like anyone else. Whether they end up as jujst another part of free Iraq, or have some sort of autonomy within a federal system, or create an independent Kurdistan, is up to them (and the rest of Iraq) to work out. It should not be decided in Ankara, or Washington--and definietly not Paris or Brussels!

As far as the PKK is concerned, I do not think anyone here has a problem with going after them. They're just another terrorist group, and whatever the justice of the Kurdish cause, the PKK is an enemy of civilization.

As for Kurdish issues north of the border, that is something your country needs to work through. Just keep in mind that Kurds--and Turks!--are "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, [and] among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness," and you'll do fine. However, resolution of Kurdish issues north of the border does not require Ankara to exercise hegemony south of the border.
Posted by: Mike   2003-9-30 8:30:38 AM  

#1  I do agree thee PKK needs to be eliminated.Like any deal goods or services have to completed for the deal to go through.Kiss that 8.7 bill goodbye.Didn't expect anything from the Paks/Indians to begin with.

If SKor dosn't want to help,thats ok we have 37,000 troops that are helping protect their ass we can always pull out of Korea.
Posted by: Raptor   2003-9-30 7:43:47 AM  

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