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India-Pakistan
Nuggets from the Urdu press
2003-12-12
Ramadan moon disputed
According to Khabrain, all along the Afghan border the moon was sighted by the local clerics a day earlier (Monday) and the first of Ramadan announced without reference to Islamabad where a central moon sighting committee (Markazi Ruet-e-Hilal Committee) functions under a chairman who is also a member of the Council Islamic Ideology (CII). In Quetta, the announcement of one-day-early fasting came late, which resulted in parts of the city not fasting together with the rest of the province. The announcement for the Monday fast was made by the cleric-members of the JUI. In some parts of Bajaur, the fasting month had begun on Sunday because an enthusiastic cleric claimed that he had seen the moon. But he didn’t carry a consensus therefore the area ended up observing the opening of Ramadan on two different days. It seemed that the prayer-leaders followed their religious parties rather than the local trend, In Khanewal in Punjab, for instance, a cleric announced Ramadan and got his locality to go on the fast. When the fasting citizens went out and saw the city busy eating as usual they were greatly embarrassed.

Moon-sighting committee falls apart
According to Jang and Khabrain, the central Ruet-e-Hilal Committee member Maulana Hassan Jan, of Peshawar went on record as saying that Mufti Munibur Rehman was requested by him to wait for the reports to come in from the NWFP but the chairman was in great hurry and announced a non-sighting. He even accused him of talking on his cell-phone to some authority in the government before hastily issuing the verdict. In his defence, Mufti Munibur Rehman said that all the members of his committee had agreed that no moon was actually sighted. He said this was confirmed by 20 meteorological centres in the country. According to him, disagreement emerged afterwards and it was political rather than factual. He also informed the press that the government had set up provincial moon-sighting committees to remove differences of opinion. But, alas, some unofficial ‘parallel’ committees too had sprung up to queer the pitch for the system of moon-sighting.

Moon Committee divided
According to daily Pakistan, the Ruet-e-Halal Committee got divided over the sighting of the moon. The chairman decided that the moon was not sighted but one member of the committee went to Peshawar and announced late at night that the moon had been sighted and got the police to open the mosques and made them announce the first day of fasting.

Fewer Pakistanis in Qatar
Quoted by Nawa-e-Waqt, Dr Rafiq Ahmad of Nazria Pakistan Foundation said that Pakistanis had been made to leave Qatar because a Pakistani minister had called Qatar ‘an unimportant small state’. He said there used to be 18 percent Pakistanis and 10 percent Indians in Qatar but now it was the other way around. He asked the government to send a minister to Qatar and patch up with the government there since the Pakistanis from there remitted $87 million annually.

Big assets declared by politicians
According to Jang, the assets declared by the elected politicians to the Election Commission revealed that one Azam Swati was worth Rs 3.3 billion, Shaukat Aziz was worth Rs 40 million, Ishaq Dar 29 million, SM Zafar Rs 5 million, Khalid Ranjha Rs 6 million, Maulana Samiul Haq Rs 4.1 million and Maulana Noorani Rs 8.6 million.
Posted by:Paul Moloney

#12  Oh. K. Shit, then. Sorry! There is an abundance of, uh, material on the topic.

O/T: We infidels used to laugh that it was really about the length of the shadow cast by the Grand Mufti's "member" at midnight when the New Moon was seen. If it rose after midnight, well, there would be six more weeks of bad weather. Uh, or something. And you have to fly the flag the next day, too, I think.

I liked ,com's Moon Shadow reference - very astute, IMO. So I'm calling attention to it. Here. In this comment by another person. Lucky can back me on this, I bet.
Posted by: ,comma   2003-12-12 4:49:50 PM  

#11  Hardly, ,comma. I've no basis to impugn your honesty, and postulate nothing of the sort, albeit were it thus, this would certainly be the proper forum. It's just that #1 RC sent this off on a Jeff-Foxworthy-style-drive-by-shooting tangent, and, well, you know. We need to maintain a consistent high level of intellectually-challenging, civil, well-reasoned discourse here, people!
Posted by: Glenn (not Reynolds)   2003-12-12 4:22:59 PM  

#10  G-NR - "felicity" - "Are you casting asperions on my veracity?" (Sam Ervin D-NC) 8->
Posted by: ,comma   2003-12-12 3:19:45 PM  

#9  Question felicity of #8 choice of word "poop"
Posted by: Glenn (not Reynolds)   2003-12-12 2:48:21 PM  

#8  For what it's worth, more poop on Ramadan than you can imagine. Or might want to.
Posted by: ,comma   2003-12-12 1:02:38 PM  

#7  RC, they're not looking for a full moon. They're looking for a new moon. Can you flash one of those? (:-)>
Posted by: Glenn (not Reynolds)   2003-12-12 12:32:46 PM  

#6  TGA: IIRC, if its cloudy, the rule is to wait one day after the tables predict it, then begin.
Posted by: 11A5S   2003-12-12 12:04:26 PM  

#5  Perhaps this adds new meaning to Cat AbdullahCaliphateKissAss Steven's Moon Shadow... Nahhhh.
Posted by: ,com   2003-12-12 11:58:57 AM  

#4  in ancient judaism the date of the month (and thus of religious holidays, with accompanying commandments) was determined by visual observation of the new moon. This resulted in some disputes, despite attempts to settle who had the authority to declare a new moon. It also meant that in the diaspora (since the new moon was declared in Jerusalem) holidays at the beginning of a month were celebrated on 2 days instead of 1, to be sure (fortunately the major fast days are mid-month) Ultimately (about 100 AD or so) the calendar was fixed. Orthodox and Conservative Jews in the diaspora still celebrate the early month holidays for 2 days, though most Reform Jews have gone back to celebrating for one day only.

I suppose in Islam theres no central body with the authority to fix the calendar, or they just never saw the need to do it.
Posted by: liberalhawk   2003-12-12 9:11:49 AM  

#3  I wonder what they do in rainy nights...
Posted by: True German Ally   2003-12-12 8:41:13 AM  

#2  Are we sure these people have nuclear weapons?
Posted by: Shipman   2003-12-12 7:36:20 AM  

#1  I'll show 'em a full moon they won't be able to miss.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2003-12-12 7:24:55 AM  

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