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Terror Networks
Talibs say Binny’s gonna go down fighting
2003-12-22
Outwardly, Osama bin Laden’s protectors in the mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan affect a haughty unconcern. Taliban fighters in Pakistan, interviewed last week, laughed at the spectacle of a disheveled and down-and-out Saddam Hussein getting hoisted out of his hole, utterly abandoned by aides and bodyguards who once pledged to die for him. Taliban fighters hiding in plain sight in Pakistan say this will never be the fate of bin Laden, his deputy Ayman Al-Zawahiri or Mullah Mohammed Omar, the ousted Taliban leader who remains their closest political ally. The terror chieftains are well protected by their bodyguards, by the local population and by Afghanistan’s forbidding geography. While Saddam faced a 130,000-strong U.S. Army relentlessly tightening the noose, bin Laden is up against a scant 10,000-man U.S. military presence in Afghanistan. And unlike Saddam’s henchmen, supporters of bin Laden and Omar are "linked by Islam, not by money," these Taliban sources boast. "We have a small, strongly Islamic population, thousands of high mountains and millions of caves to hide in," says a senior Taliban planner and fund-raiser who goes by the nom de guerre Zabihullah. Taliban operatives also say that wherever bin Laden stops these days, he tells his followers to plant land mines and pockets of high explosives around his clandestine bivouac. These booby traps are meant to protect him—but also to make sure that if "the sheik" can’t escape, he is quickly "martyred" and his body destroyed. Bin Laden has told his confidants that he "would welcome death as a martyr," and that he would never allow himself to be captured alive, Zabihullah says.
Of course, Sammy always used to say that, too. Strutting around with a tin hat or a turban and ordering the cannon fodder to die for The Cause™ is kind of different from approximating the caliber of the shootin' arn in your face...
Some Taliban and Qaeda fighters say that, far from running, bin Laden will likely capitalize on Saddam’s humiliating arrest—seeing it as a chance to radicalize and Islamicize the anti-U.S resistance in Iraq.
"Far from running"? What's he been doing for the past couple years? If he's not been decomposing, he's been on the run.
They say Saddam’s capture has not changed bin Laden’s plans—reported recently in NEWSWEEK—to shift anti-American forces from Afghanistan to Iraq, Turkey and the Mideast. "The arrest of Saddam will have a positive affect on the anti-U.S. jihad and Qaeda operations in Iraq," says Rahman Hotaki, a Taliban official who works with Qaeda fighters in Waziristan on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. "Many Iraqis hated Saddam, so they didn’t join the fight. Now that he is gone, more Iraqis will join a holy jihad against the U.S."
And at least an equivalent number will drop out of the fight because the money's not going to be coming in anymore. And probably just as many because they're tired of the whole thing.
Brave words. But in the assessment of former associates, bin Laden is likely worried. A former mujahed companion of bin Laden’s named Commander Hamat speculates that the Qaeda leader has added an extra "circle" of security around him in the aftermath of Saddam’s capture.
Just smothering himself in security, isn't he?
Even Zabihullah says that bin Laden had a close call not long ago. He says the terror chieftain and his protective entourage scurried into the bushes when a U.S. aircraft streaked overhead as they were walking along a mountain trail. The plane did not see them. Another Taliban fighter who calls himself Assadullah Zarafat says that several months ago, U.S. and Afghan forces brushed by Mullah Omar in Uruzgan province without recognizing him. Omar and his security detachment had stopped at a local mosque to say their afternoon prayers. As they were finishing, several pickup trucks and Humvees carrying Afghan and U.S. soldiers pulled up to the mosque and the Afghans went in to pray. Mullah Omar told his men to hide their weapons and not to react. He then led the newcomers in prayer.
Sounds more like a war story to me than anything else ...
Finally, bin Laden may someday, somewhere, make a mistake. An exhausted Saddam was caught eight months after he had to abandon his lavish palaces. Bin Laden, of course, has been roughing it for far longer. Still, life on the lam can wear down the toughest outlaw. A veteran Islamic militant who is known by the nom de guerre Abdullah claimed that last February he was assigned to deliver medicines to an ailing bin Laden in Afghanistan’s thickly forested Kunar province. "He looked weak and frail," said Abdullah. "He moves with a few close aides and guards and never stays at any place for long. To avoid detection he often travels during nights and in bad weather," he said. So who knows? Maybe a really bad cold—and a decision to linger one night too many in the same place to recover—will be enough to do in the man who has yet to answer for the worst attack on American soil.
Posted by:Dan Darling

#19  Rafael -- Why didn't you just say "Fuck EU!" to Aris? That's what the Poles said about the propsed EU constitution.
Posted by: Tibor   2003-12-22 7:00:21 PM  

#18  but also to make sure that if "the sheik" can’t escape, he is quickly "martyred" and his body destroyed.
I too vote "Dead, until confirmed otherwise", but what I read here is that the plan, if he is killed, is to destroy his body quickly. Would that not have been the case in Tora Bora, when I feel he was whacked?
Posted by: Capsu78   2003-12-22 3:32:37 PM  

#17  The Grinch stole it :) The EU hasn't been on my Christmas card list ever since they tried to change the voting rules. No Christmas card for Chiraq & Schroeder. Oops, I mean, no Xmas card for Chiraq and no Christmas card for Schroeder. For Aris: the "Grinch" refers to the EU.
Posted by: Rafael   2003-12-22 3:22:21 PM  

#16  Come on Rafael, where is your Christmas spirit??
Posted by: True German Ally   2003-12-22 3:02:57 PM  

#15   #13 Oh hell, that tore it!
Posted by: whitecollar redneck   2003-12-22 2:36:26 PM  

#14  You're new here Les. Don't waste your time. Kat must be feeling pissy right now.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck   2003-12-22 2:35:22 PM  

#13  Come on Aris, you can't be this naive. You damn well know what it meant. But just to clarify, I was alluding to France and The Netherlands. Both are members of the EU. One fucked up majorly in Srebrnica, the other was being an obstructive fuck (as usual) in putting an end to the bloodshed.
I know that in your supreme EU mind we are all stupid here, but most of us do know EUropean geography. Fuck your EU.
Posted by: Rafael   2003-12-22 2:34:53 PM  

#12  Less Nessman> That doesn't make sense.

If he had written "Europe" alone, that'd be a joke with a grain of truth in it. Now that he wrote "EUrope", I have no idea what the joke is supposed to mean.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris   2003-12-22 12:47:23 PM  

#11  I think Rafael meant "EUrope" as a humorous interjection, with a grain of truth.

Lighten up.
Posted by: Les Nessman   2003-12-22 12:19:45 PM  

#10  I like the puppet idea.

How about Mr. Bill, Sluggo and Osama with Sluggo looking for Osama who then escapes while Sluggo beats up Mr. Bill by mistake.

This would probably be considered as proof that Osama is alive by at least 70% of the Muslim world.
Posted by: mhw   2003-12-22 11:09:02 AM  

#9  Binny's Buddies talk a BIG game (all islamists do) but that talk ceases when they are met with force. Ditto for Karazdic. Both are presumed to be hiding in plain site. Karazdic is alive ONLY due to the efforts of Clinton and the EU leadership. If we wanted to kill him he would be so much worm food by now. Binny may be alive because we are still exploiting his communications. When that well runs dry we will get rid of him. Bet on it.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter)   2003-12-22 11:07:54 AM  

#8  Instead of trying to reanimate bin Laden's stiff corpse, Al-Jazeera could create a video using a bin Laden puppet, like those old Gerry Anderson shows I watched as a kid that featured "Supermarionation".
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2003-12-22 10:55:31 AM  

#7  As for bin Laden, if he's alive, he should produce a new videotape that mentions some minor recent news. You know, like Saddam being captured and Libya turning coat on the AoE. He doesn't even have to give his location away: with a little effort, he could be shot in front of a bluescreen, and his pals at al'Jazeera could make it appear like he's in Afghanista, Pakistan, the Oval Office, or even Corascant.

Until then, he's dead.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2003-12-22 8:20:53 AM  

#6  Rafael> Does your "EUrope" actually have a meaning anymore, other than trolling? Because you clearly don't mean it to signify the EU.

Or perhaps you just don't know that neither Bosnia nor Serbia-Montenegro are part of the EU?
Posted by: Aris Katsaris   2003-12-22 6:50:53 AM  

#5  [Karadzic] is hiding in a sympathetic region

You mean, like, EUrope?
Posted by: Rafael   2003-12-22 2:02:42 AM  

#4  Ã¢Â€Â¦and in related news, despite outward appearances some pond scum never evolved past being scum.
Posted by: Hyper   2003-12-22 2:00:11 AM  

#3  We pursued Binny with one tied behind our back. Alot of the warlords troops did not pursue with as much enthusiasm as we expected from their pay. If we want to pull out the stops, we can make the local tribesmen's lives a living hell. We will pick our time, place, and circumstances as the situation permits. After all, the tribal area folks description of their situation was very similar to Afghanistan before we went in there.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2003-12-22 1:37:42 AM  

#2   I tend to share your belief on this one, Paul, though I've always thought of him as being in Iran. That seems to be where his family is, where his military commander is, as well as his main spiritual advisor (the Mauritanian) plus God knows how many cannon fodder. Then again, I also think that the global terror machine is a lot more centralized than most analysts - last fall's terror offensive (to deter the West from attacking Iraq?) proved that in of itself from my POV.

I figure right now bin Laden, if he's alive, is hopping back and forth between Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran and leaving periodically as the political or military situation deems necessary. Same thing with Ayman, IMO.
Posted by: Dan Darling   2003-12-22 12:24:18 AM  

#1  I still strongly believe that Osama is alive, although I'm probably in the minority on this blog.
I doubt we will get him any time soon, but it will happen eventually. One only has to look at Bosnia, where Radovan Karadzic is still on the run 8 years after the end of the civil war, because he is hiding in a sympathetic region which NATO hasn't been able to crack.
Posted by: Paul Moloney   2003-12-22 12:18:27 AM  

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