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The Saudi Religious, Educational and Social Thinkers (SREST), an organisation of Saudi scholars, education specialists and researchers with almost ten thousand Saudi clerics as members, has warned Pakistanis not to use products with religious names and has demanded the Pakistani government ban all such products.
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| Posted by:Fred Pruitt |
| #19 Interesting, but terribly-written article in Tech Central Station about the relationship between government-enforced morality and tyranny that fits well with the comments in this article. Basically, the author says that there are two bases for law: "right" and "good". "Right" is the equal evaluation of expectations - I.E., basically "contracts", while "Good" is "moral" - 'this is what things SHOULD be'. GOOD can only be imposed, since each person's idea of what that means may differ. RIGHT is basically what the Founding Fathers considered the basis of government - and why they established that religion could never be either imposed, or expelled. Right requires a moral people to keep people willing to negotiate. GOOD imposes. ISLAM demands that people follow certain (7th century) ideas about morality, which is IMPOSED by the Clergy. Since the only way you can impose anything is by force, Islamic nations rapidly degenerate into tyrannies. Only secular governments can establish legal systems based on individual contractural behavior (Right). The only problem is, there is no way to legislate morality without totally destroying individual rights. This leads to stagnation and collapse. This is why Islamic nations would be a total failure without the oil, and why the Middle East wasn't a player in world politics from about 1650 through 1945. |
| Posted by: Old Patriot 2003-12-22 11:50:10 PM |
| #18 super hose 1. re SaudiArabia; the Saudis have managed to make the 12th month pilgramage (aka the Hadj)into a net zero or even loser financially for the national treasury by strictly controlling merchandizing, having to pay extra security expenses, having royal families get a cut of the motel bills, bribing the local Meccan imans to say nice things about the royal family, etc. 2. The Paleo Authority is trying to extort money from the networks for covering the xmas events in Bethlehem this year. see: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/374357.html |
| Posted by: mhw 2003-12-22 2:32:56 PM |
| #17 Barry, if you look carefully at the Phd's that sculpted the final version of Koyoto, you will notice that few of them hold dotorates in anything remotely scientific. If Saudi Arabia doesn't plan to capitalize economically on anything religious, I wonder how they plan to invigorate their tourism industry. Will all hotel accomodations in Mecca and Medina now be complementary? Speaking of Bethlehem, saw something on the news last night about the slumping economy in David's town. Things are so bad that many young Christians from families that have lived in Bethlehem for hundereds of years are now leaving. Yasser Arafat has addressed a document to all travel agents not to sell plane tickets to young people unless they held an education visa for the country that they wanted tickets to. Sounds like his hostages are escaping. |
| Posted by: Super Hose 2003-12-22 2:19:29 PM |
| #16 mhw: Well, you were the one that asked the question, then you answered it, very well. I'll admit to not recognizing a lot of those names. David M. Rubenstein; I remember name from PBS funding blurbs back before I quit watching television completely. Rockefeller and Soros, and -- Zedillo? Oh, yeah, forgot you can't be |
| Posted by: Glenn (not Reynolds) 2003-12-22 1:25:28 PM |
| #15 "You don't use Prophet Pomade? I insult your mustache!" |
| Posted by: Dar 2003-12-22 1:10:00 PM |
| #14 Correct if i'm wrong but weren't there a lotta Ph.d's who supported the global warming scam at Kyoto? |
| Posted by: Barry 2003-12-22 11:24:42 AM |
| #13 Glenn - not Reynolds from the IIE website: The Instituteâs annual budget is about $7 million. Support is provided by a wide range of charitable foundations, private corporations, and individuals... the board of directors is: Peter G. Peterson, Chairman * Anthony M. Solomon, Chairman, Executive Committee Leszek Balcerowicz Conrad Black Bill Bradley Chen Yuan George David * Jessica Einhorn Stanley Fischer Jacob A. Frenkel Maurice R. Greenberg * Carla A. Hills Nobuyuki Idei Karen Katen W. M. Keck II Lee Kuan Yew Donald F. McHenry Minoru Murofushi Paul O'Neill Hutham Olayan James W. Owens Frank Pearl Karl Otto Pöhl * Joseph E. Robert, Jr. David Rockefeller David M. Rubenstein Renato Ruggiero Edward W. Scott, Jr. George Soros Lawrence H. Summers Peter D. Sutherland Jean Claude Trichet Laura DâAndrea Tyson Paul A. Volcker * Dennis Weatherstone Edward E. Whitacre, Jr. Marina v.N. Whitman Ernesto Zedillo mostly left wing a few right wing; all free trade types; generally sane people, some a bit unhinged just goes to show you that if you put some Phd's, captains of finance and other fine people together, you may still fund studies that are worthless |
| Posted by: mhw 2003-12-22 11:01:14 AM |
| #12 mhw: I wonder who funds the Institute for International Economics? Your mocking tone insinuates whomever is not getting much for their buck. Tsk. BH: How would you plug that? I'm trying to visualize billboard art but keep coming up with schemes that would offend NAACP. |
| Posted by: Glenn (not Reynolds) 2003-12-22 10:43:36 AM |
| #11 Well, there goes my idea for the "Osama's Mama" line of adult incontinence undergarments. |
| Posted by: BH 2003-12-22 10:28:59 AM |
| #10 and Bethlehem Steel is now a subsidiary of the Intl Steel Group, which itself is, I think, in some form of receivership. Kind of like how the city of Bethlehem is part of the Paleo Auth which is in continuing subsidized bankrupcy. |
| Posted by: mhw 2003-12-22 10:09:16 AM |
| #9 Bethlehem Steel was named for the home town of its original corporate headquarters, Bethlehem PA. That town was so named by Moravian settlers prior to the Revolutionary War. FWIW. [smile] |
| Posted by: rkb 2003-12-22 9:27:08 AM |
| #8 beat me to it Spot!! |
| Posted by: liberalhawk 2003-12-22 9:26:28 AM |
| #7 Does this mean I should sell my shares in Bethlehem Steel?;) |
| Posted by: Spot 2003-12-22 8:50:22 AM |
| #6 an article in the Christian Science Monitor http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1222/p17s01-wmgn.html reports on a study by an academic that does not attribute slow economic growth on Islam. Reports like this show how idiotic said acedemic is: here is part of the article -------- Is Islam a drag on economic growth?.. A long line of scholars has blamed the relative poverty of Muslims today on their religious beliefs. But economist Marcus Noland maintains that this long-standing view is wrong. "There is nothing inherent about these [Islamic] societies that they have to perform poorly," says the economist with the Institute for International Economics in Washington. "If anything, Islam promotes growth.... There may be undue pessimism about the prospects of these countries." --------------- I wonder who funds the Institute for International Economics? |
| Posted by: mhw 2003-12-22 8:29:37 AM |
| #5 Non-Euro cultures have some ideas about brand names we would find odd. As y'all point out, religious brand names might not fly so well here. Brand names translated from Japanese often come across to us as incredibly banal. Conversely, English-language brand names (and there's a lot) chosen for Japanese products for their market often come across to us as incredibly ludicrous. Culture. Obviously the Japs don't see it that way or they wouldn't use those names. Shame the Saudis felt constrained not to give examples. Might have given insight why they are so offended. We're not the target audience. |
| Posted by: Glenn (not Reynolds) 2003-12-22 2:26:36 AM |
| #4 Prophet's Beard shampoo LMAO! |
| Posted by: Rafael 2003-12-22 2:04:32 AM |
| #3 Nix Koranflakes as well, I suppose... -Vic |
| Posted by: Vic 2003-12-22 1:18:39 AM |
| #2 So the 'Servant of Allah' adult diapers are done? Damn, I had some shares, hoping for a big payout. |
| Posted by: 4thInfVet 2003-12-22 1:17:33 AM |
| #1 There goes my idea for marketing Holy Koran Kola... Sorry, Fred. Looks as thought if you were to try it, you'd be... "under SREST." *rimshot* I'll be here all week, folks. Try the veal. Remember, tip your waitress. ^_^ Ed Becerra |
| Posted by: Ed Becerra 2003-12-22 12:24:18 AM |