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Afghanistan/South Asia
Group Decries U.S. Actions in Afghanistan
2004-03-08
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) - U.S. operations in Afghanistan are marred by needless civilian casualties, lawless arrests and the alleged torture of prisoners, Human Rights Watch said Monday.
Recycled complaints, see below.
The U.S. military rejected the group's findings, saying it "confused the situation" in strife-torn Afghanistan for one where peacetime methods could be used.
"Them HRW boys have been in the sun too long!"
Still, the report raises stupid, time-wasting uncomfortable questions for the United States as it embarks on new operations to crush elusive militants like al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden. "The behavior of the United States sends the message that the U.S. operates on a set of double standards," the New York-based rights group said, referring the Washington's criticism of other countries' human rights records.
That should be good for a quarter-mil in new donations from the NPR tote-bag set.
The 50-page report said the military used excessive force to capture suspects in residential areas. The report also slammed American forces for an assault on an arms-filled compound in southeastern Paktia province last December that triggered explosions, toppled a wall and crushed six children to death. Another raid the following day killed nine more children, when a U.S. warplane strafed a mountain village in neighboring Ghazni province. The military says it has modified its procedures after the deaths of the children, and insisted its record in avoiding civilian casualties was "outstanding." "We're not perfect," U.S. military spokesman Lt. Col. Bryan Hilferty said. "But we work hard to improve."
Compared to say, the Soviet approach to Afghanistan.
Human Rights Watch said the military's approach has helped alienate America's fair weather friends allies, angered many Afghans and "lessened their willingness to cooperate with U.S. forces." The report also criticized U.S. treatment of some of the estimated 1,000 Afghans and other nationals arrested in Afghanistan since 2002. Suspects seized by American troops are often whisked to Bagram, the main U.S. base north of Kabul. The CIA also runs prisons in Afghanistan, Human Rights Watch said. Other suspects languish in prisons run by local Afghan warlords, many of them allies of the U.S.-backed government. Those eventually released from jails such as Bagram have told of abuses, according to the report, though it notes that conditions appear to have improved since the first months after the war.
No credit for that, however.
The report cites several already publicized accounts, including one given by two former prisoners to The Associated Press in March 2003. The men said they were held awake, exposed to cold and forced to stand for long periods, measures "amounting to torture or other mistreatment in violation of international law," Human Rights Watch said. A U.S. military spokesman at the time acknowledged these techniques but denied they amounted to mistreatment.
"We're tired of dealing with these guys. Now if you'll excuse me, I gotta go shave."
Posted by:Steve White

#14  Perhaps we should apologize profusely and put the Taliban back in charge. That should make the HRW happy. Then the Taliban could get back to killing people with short beards and stoning women who revealed an ankle. And HRW could get back to ignoring atrocities committed by despots.
Posted by: A Jackson   2004-3-8 11:22:11 PM  

#13  For comparison, maybe these human rights clowns ought to read the Newday article, Iraq Group Gives Example of Militant Rule. The piece describes the conditions that the locals lived under in the are of Kurdistan where Ansar al-Isam held sway.
Posted by: Super Hose   2004-3-8 10:55:50 PM  

#12  When it's fund raising time in Georgia,
Dough raising time in Tennessee,
When all the little saps just keep on rising,
When all the little kerries pick on me.


(Take it AP)

Posted by: TheKerryLastBlueYodler   2004-3-8 6:15:46 PM  

#11  RE: #3, Seafarious, is that a real poncho or is that a Sears poncho?
Posted by: Xbalanke   2004-3-8 3:05:09 PM  

#10  If we shaved them all and then hung them in the soccer stadium for being beardless, would we raise our grade?
Posted by: Super Hose   2004-3-8 1:45:32 PM  

#9  Sarge makes a good point. We shouldn't take civilian casualties lightly, even if there's just no getting around the fact that in any war, civilians are going to die. I don't see that changing. However I have a HUGE problem with HRW's coverage. Sure, they point out that we are opposed by groups which pay little attention to humanitarian law...well hell that should be job #1 for those asshats then. Instead, it's a footnote. If civilians die as a result of our action, it's a tragic mistake and we try to learn from it. If the fundos kill civilians, it's a job well done. If HRW can't see the difference, then they should STFU.
Posted by: Rex Mundi   2004-3-8 1:25:41 PM  

#8  I am probably going to regret saying this, but I think that this is entirely true. However the actions taken by the U.S. Military rarely resemble a ‘criminal investigation’ and look more like a military operation. The reason being is that they ARE military operations. As far as blowing down doors instead of knocking politely. Well that is what SpecOps does when the situation calls for it. Maybe if Human Rights Watch would send someone with them to knock on doors they would not have to blow them open. Human Rights Watch did point out in their article that “Americans are opposed by armed groups which pay little heed to humanitarian law or human rights.” The times they are a changing!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter)   2004-3-8 12:34:31 PM  

#7  Can't we be graded on a curve with the Taliban being a C (and Kim being an F.) I wonder how many prisoners that Dostum has flayed while we have subjected prisoners falled to install heat pumps in our jail cells. Dostum probably doesn't invite the Red Thingy in for a visit, though.
Posted by: Super Hose   2004-3-8 11:30:23 AM  

#6  Only countries with 5-Star Hotels are criticized. You can't say they don't have their standards...
Posted by: .com   2004-3-8 9:34:48 AM  

#5  I wonder how many people from "Human Rights Watch" have ever actually been outside the United States and seen how the rest of the world lives. I wonder how many of them have ever read anything that talks about real human rights abuses, like the history of the Soviet Union, or NAZI Germany's behaviors during World War II. I wonder if they have a clue at all how Muslims - especially Arab Muslims - treat Christians and Jews in their countries. Didn't they read about Timor? Haven't they heard about the Sudan?

They have no credibility, and their words have no credibility, until they first complain about the attrocities that occur on a daily basis elsewhere. Until they show they are against ALL "human rights abuses", they'll be lumped in with the rest of the "hate America first, last, and always" crowd that is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2004-3-8 9:20:53 AM  

#4  The men said they were held awake, exposed to cold and forced to stand for long periods, measures "amounting to torture or other mistreatment in violation of international law,"

Let's see now, when I enlisted in the man's Army right before the SHTF in SE Asia I was stationed at Ft. Hood, Tx, and seem to remember the same treatment. I liked it and thought to myself, "damn these guy's are going to make a man out of me." They did too, let me tell you. I'd like to do it again and become a better man. I guess what I'm trying to say is fuck the Human Rights Watch and all their ilk. Chiner
Posted by: Chiner   2004-3-8 4:31:08 AM  

#3  tu, with your donation you also get a HRW rain poncho, a mousepad, one of those letter opener thingies and a VHS tape of "Riverdance"!
Posted by: Seafarious   2004-3-8 1:18:49 AM  

#2  Do I get a tote bag? Can't have enough of them.
Posted by: tu3031   2004-3-8 12:50:25 AM  

#1  Must be fund-raising time again...
Posted by: Pappy   2004-3-8 12:07:28 AM  

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