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| (Links via Drudge, Allah, LGF) Bush Sealed Hamas Leader’s Fate - Palestinians By Nidal al-Mughrabi No bias here, right? Reuters - "It was Bush." Bush the IDF helicopter pilot? The verdict was near unanimous amid the tears and rage on Palestinian streets after Israel killed Hamas leader Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi in an air strike Saturday that many Arabs felt President Bush must have approved. The White House doesn’t seem entirely pleased about it... "Bush has Rantissi’s blood on his hands," said Khamis Saadi, among tens of thousands who swept into Gaza’s shabby streets. No, that would be Mr. Rosary Beads. "All doors to hell should be opened against the Israelis and against the Americans," he cried. Not exactly KCNA level rhetoric, rookie... U.S. officials denied giving a green light to Israel. But Palestinians, fuming Well, that means no more ’occupation’. You guys aren’t very grateful, are you? Sharon’s Palestinian Action, meet Consequence. The United States has always been a target of Palestinian and Arab ire because of its close relations with Israel. "It’s them Joooooooos!" But Bush’s statement that Israel could expect to keep chunks of the West Bank seized in the 1967 Middle East war and ruled out a return of refugees to what is now Israel was felt by many Palestinians as a death blow for dreams of a real state. You lose a war, you lose land. It’s a pretty simple concept... "Bush freed the hands of Sharon to do whatever he liked with the Palestinian people, to kill their leaders and to confiscate their land," said one mourner in Gaza called Hammad. Um, what part of ’Gaza pullout plan’ do you fail to understand, Hammad? Israel said in Rantissi it had killed a "mastermind of terrorism" -- Hamas Islamic militants have sworn to destroy Israel and killed hundreds of Israelis in suicide attacks. Killed by death, heh. On the streets of Gaza, there were many calls for Hamas to change its longstanding strategy of attacking only Israelis and to start killing Americans too. Feel the love! A Hamas leader did not go that far, but allied the Palestinian cause with that of insurgents fighting the U.S. occupation of Iraq. Are these clowns going to walk into the flypaper trap too? Idiots. "Sharon and Bush will see more blood coming from their noses in Palestine and Iraq," said Mahmoud al-Zahar. I wonder what this guy’s time in the 100 yard dash is when he hears that IDF chopper humming in? Talk’s cheap, Mahmoud.
Smart move, although I think Arafat should have been whacked by now given his connection to three of our diplomats getting killed by that roadside bomb last year. Condemnation of Rantissi’s killing came from around the world. Javier Solana, Are all those Paleoboomings against Israeli children, the ’brave military’ targetings of discos and pizza parlors also "unlawful, unjustified and counter-productive"? Didn’t think so... U.S. reaction was more nuanced. John Kerry said something today? "The United States is gravely concerned for regional peace and stability," said a statement, issued under the name of White House press secretary Scott McClellan. "We’re going through the motions of pretending to Anger in Arab countries was intense. That’s a news flash... The assassination came less than one month after Israel killed Hamas spiritual leader Ahmed Yassin in a similar attack. That drew thousands to protests across the Middle East. Car Swarm! Egypt’s Foreign Minister Ahmed Maher accused Israel of trying to "kill off the chance for peace (and push) the region to the edge of the abyss." Um, aren’t the Paleos supposed to disband terrorist organizations, or is that just a technicality? Some in a region that is extremely uncomfortable with the U.S. occupation of Iraq also saw an American hand. I saw a Palestinian hand. And a foot, and a head, and a lot of blood... Yemeni Foreign Minister Abubakr al-Qibri said: "The United States bears the responsibility for what happens, since after every visit by Sharon to Washington he commits more terrorism and assassinations." I just finished watching Patton on AMC. I’d love ’Ol’ Blood and Guts’ to take a one week tour of the ’fabled’ Gaza Bank with the Third Army so we’d quit having to hear this feigned outrage, excuse making, veiled and not so veiled threats against US and inflict on Hamas & the other brave bombers of Israeli civilians the ultimate ’humiliation’ on these terrorist savages - a complete and through military ass kicking coupled with the nuking of the Hamas charter calling for Israel’s destruction. Then, and only then, will there be any hope for the Palestinian people not afflicted with the diseases of Jihad and Judenrein | |
| Posted by:Raj |
| #51 Jen to set the record straight I am not a Muslim. I am a Christian;Roman Catholic to be exact although I don't believe in much RC doctrine like an afterlife and the Trinity for example. People like you should die peacefully in their sleep which is more than you would give to the people of Iraq as you support their annihilation by Dumbya Bush and to the Palestinians as you support the zionazi Sharon. Btw have checked out the greatest Jeneration what a load of warmongering Dumbya ass kissing waste of space it is. Thats enough for you today. Zhang pleade check out the website True Torah Jews(who are Antizionist Jews) for info on Zionist Nazi collaboration.Btw SOME Arabs colloborated with the Nazis many others did not. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-04-19 12:46:13 AM |
| #50 Jen the only people who think Jews are a race are Nazis and Zionists(who collaborated with the Nazis during the holocaust)Jesus was a Jew because he followed Judaism not because of his ancestry. God promised the Holy Land to the descendants of Abraham which are the Palestinians no matter what their religious affilliation,not people from(fill in name of European country here) |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-04-18 11:35:20 PM |
| #49 Jen Arabs ARE semites you fool.Judaism is a religion not a race there is no such thing as a jewish race,the people who thought that in the past sent them to Auschwitz etc.For example Jesus was born in Palestine which makes him an arab and his religion was judaism which makes him a jew.The Paestinians are the descendants of Abraham etc(who came from Mesopotamia,which is what Iraq used to be called)and have been in the Holy Land for thousands of years,they have in the religious sense been jews christians and muslims)SO I can certainly understand them not liking been dispossesed and discriminated against by people who emigrated from Poland,Hungary etc etc because those people believed that zionism entitled them to a place where maybe one of their ancestors(if that came from in Roman times. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-04-18 11:06:22 PM |
| #48 The cause of all the bloodshed in Palestine is the existence of the zionist entity. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-04-18 11:03:12 AM |
| #47 Oh, dear! I see you do know more than I gave you credit for, but I'm still surprised at how some facts can be distorted. I see you have been, to the best of your power, fair. and right now; I'm in shock. I am of the Sunni sect of Islam and I deal with others at all times. I've never felt the need to kill any of them, I can assure you. And "yes", I know quite a lot about the (Wahaab)muslims, I've studied the life of Mohammed Al-Wahaab, their leader, if he could be called as such. There is nothing violent in what they beleive in. We did not "condemn" terrerisom in palestine, nor in Iraq- true. Would you like to know why? Simply because I can't tell you that: if an army invaded my country and started killing people, I will welcome them with a smile on my face an let them do as they like. Would you? Hamas leaders are not terrorists, they are NOT. They are trying to get back what is theirs, they've had to give up their country! I mean, come on! We don't know what they are feeling, do we? We do not consider democracy a hersey. Islam orders that all rulers, or leadres of any kind are to use it. Did you know that? It is even in the Quran, and in more than one place. I don't beleive that those who were behind the 11-9 were muslims. There were muslims killed you know. But, how very strange, hardly any jews had gone to their jobs that day! No, I'm not against them. I'm against the policy of the Israeli government, and I know that many Jews would never consider themselves as part of it. I don't know. This is frankly wearing me out. I had no idea there were people who hated Islam so much. People who thought that Hamas leaders are terrorists. This is new to me, and it will take a lot of getting used to. Thanks for your honesty Jen. Best of luck. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-04-19 12:53:10 PM |
| #46 Oh, dear! I see you do know more than I gave you credit for, but I'm still surprised at how some facts can be distorted. I see you have been, to the best of your power, fair. and right now; I'm in shock. I am of the Sunni sect of Islam and I deal with others at all times. I've never felt the need to kill any of them, I can assure you. And "yes", I know quite a lot about the (Wahaab)muslims, I've studied the life of Mohammed Al-Wahaab, their leader, if he could be called as such. There is nothing violent in what they beleive in. We did not "condemn" terrerisom in palestine, nor in Iraq- true. Would you like to know why? Simply because I can't tell you that: if an army invaded my country and started killing people, I will welcome them with a smile on my face an let them do as they like. Would you? Hamas leaders are not terrorists, they are NOT. They are trying to get back what is theirs, they've had to give up their country! I mean, come on! We don't know what they are feeling, do we? We do not consider democracy a hersey. Islam orders that all rulers, or leadres of any kind are to use it. Did you know that? It is even in the Quran, and in more than one place. I don't beleive that those who were behind the 11-9 were muslims. There were muslims killed you know. But, how very strange, hardly any jews had gone to their jobs that day! No, I'm not against them. I'm against the policy of the Israeli government, and I know that many Jews would never consider themselves as part of it. I don't know. This is frankly wearing me out. I had no idea there were people who hated Islam so much. People who thought that Hamas leaders are terrorists. This is new to me, and it will take a lot of getting used to. Thanks for your honesty Jen. Best of luck. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-04-19 12:53:10 PM |
| #45 Oh, dear! I see you do know more than I gave you credit for, but I'm still surprised at how some facts can be distorted. I see you have been, to the best of your power, fair. and right now; I'm in shock. I am of the Sunni sect of Islam and I deal with others at all times. I've never felt the need to kill any of them, I can assure you. And "yes", I know quite a lot about the (Wahaab)muslims, I've studied the life of Mohammed Al-Wahaab, their leader, if he could be called as such. There is nothing violent in what they beleive in. We did not "condemn" terrerisom in palestine, nor in Iraq- true. Would you like to know why? Simply because I can't tell you that: if an army invaded my country and started killing people, I will welcome them with a smile on my face an let them do as they like. Would you? Hamas leaders are not terrorists, they are NOT. They are trying to get back what is theirs, they've had to give up their country! I mean, come on! We don't know what they are feeling, do we? We do not consider democracy a hersey. Islam orders that all rulers, or leadres of any kind are to use it. Did you know that? It is even in the Quran, and in more than one place. I don't beleive that those who were behind the 11-9 were muslims. There were muslims killed you know. But, how very strange, hardly any jews had gone to their jobs that day! No, I'm not against them. I'm against the policy of the Israeli government, and I know that many Jews would never consider themselves as part of it. I don't know. This is frankly wearing me out. I had no idea there were people who hated Islam so much. People who thought that Hamas leaders are terrorists. This is new to me, and it will take a lot of getting used to. Thanks for your honesty Jen. Best of luck. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-04-19 12:51:05 PM |
| #44 Oh, dear! I see you do know more than I gave you credit for, but I'm still surprised at how some facts can be distorted. I see you have been, to the best of your power, fair. and right now; I'm in shock. I am of the Sunni sect of Islam and I deal with others at all times. I've never felt the need to kill any of them, I can assure you. And "yes", I know quite a lot about the (Wahaab)muslims, I've studied the life of Mohammed Al-Wahaab, their leader, if he could be called as such. There is nothing violent in what they beleive in. We did not "condemn" terrerisom in palestine, nor in Iraq- true. Would you like to know why? Simply because I can't tell you that: if an army invaded my country and started killing people, I will welcome them with a smile on my face an let them do as they like. Would you? Hamas leaders are not terrorists, they are NOT. They are trying to get back what is theirs, they've had to give up their country! I mean, come on! We don't know what they are feeling, do we? We do not consider democracy a hersey. Islam orders that all rulers, or leadres of any kind are to use it. Did you know that? It is even in the Quran, and in more than one place. I don't beleive that those who were behind the 11-9 were muslims. There were muslims killed you know. But, how very strange, hardly any jews had gone to their jobs that day! No, I'm not against them. I'm against the policy of the Israeli government, and I know that many Jews would never consider themselves as part of it. I don't know. This is frankly wearing me out. I had no idea there were people who hated Islam so much. People who thought that Hamas leaders are terrorists. This is new to me, and it will take a lot of getting used to. Thanks for your honesty Jen. Best of luck. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-04-19 12:51:05 PM |
| #43 Oh, dear! I see you do know more than I gave you credit for, but I'm still surprised at how some facts can be distorted. I see you have been, to the best of your power, fair. and right now; I'm in shock. I am of the Sunni sect of Islam and I deal with others at all times. I've never felt the need to kill any of them, I can assure you. And "yes", I know quite a lot about the (Wahaab)muslims, I've studied the life of Mohammed Al-Wahaab, their leader, if he could be called as such. There is nothing violent in what they beleive in. We did not "condemn" terrerisom in palestine, nor in Iraq- true. Would you like to know why? Simply because I can't tell you that: if an army invaded my country and started killing people, I will welcome them with a smile on my face an let them do as they like. Would you? Hamas leaders are not terrorists, they are NOT. They are trying to get back what is theirs, they've had to give up their country! I mean, come on! We don't know what they are feeling, do we? We do not consider democracy a hersey. Islam orders that all rulers, or leadres of any kind are to use it. Did you know that? It is even in the Quran, and in more than one place. I don't beleive that those who were behind the 11-9 were muslims. There were muslims killed you know. But, how very strange, hardly any jews had gone to their jobs that day! No, I'm not against them. I'm against the policy of the Israeli government, and I know that many Jews would never consider themselves as part of it. I don't know. This is frankly wearing me out. I had no idea there were people who hated Islam so much. People who thought that Hamas leaders are terrorists. This is new to me, and it will take a lot of getting used to. Thanks for your honesty Jen. Best of luck. |
| Posted by: Anonymous4312 2004-04-19 12:49:36 PM |
| #42 Oh, dear! I see you do know more than I gave you credit for, but I'm still surprised at how some facts can be distorted. I see you have been, to the best of your power, fair. and right now; I'm in shock. I am of the Sunni sect of Islam and I deal with others at all times. I've never felt the need to kill any of them, I can assure you. And "yes", I know quite a lot about the (Wahaab)muslims, I've studied the life of Mohammed Al-Wahaab, their leader, if he could be called as such. There is nothing violent in what they beleive in. We did not "condemn" terrerisom in palestine, nor in Iraq- true. Would you like to know why? Simply because I can't tell you that: if an army invaded my country and started killing people, I will welcome them with a smile on my face an let them do as they like. Would you? Hamas leaders are not terrorists, they are NOT. They are trying to get back what is theirs, they've had to give up their country! I mean, come on! We don't know what they are feeling, do we? We do not consider democracy a hersey. Islam orders that all rulers, or leadres of any kind are to use it. Did you know that? It is even in the Quran, and in more than one place. I don't beleive that those who were behind the 11-9 were muslims. There were muslims killed you know. But, how very strange, hardly any jews had gone to their jobs that day! No, I'm not against them. I'm against the policy of the Israeli government, and I know that many Jews would never consider themselves as part of it. I don't know. This is frankly wearing me out. I had no idea there were people who hated Islam so much. People who thought that Hamas leaders are terrorists. This is new to me, and it will take a lot of getting used to. Thanks for your honesty Jen. Best of luck. |
| Posted by: Anonymous4312 2004-04-19 12:49:36 PM |
| #41 Oh, dear! I see you do know more than I gave you credit for, but I'm still surprised at how some facts can be distorted. I see you have been, to the best of your power, fair. and right now; I'm in shock. I am of the Sunni sect of Islam and I deal with others at all times. I've never felt the need to kill any of them, I can assure you. And "yes", I know quite a lot about the (Wahaab)muslims, I've studied the life of Mohammed Al-Wahaab, their leader, if he could be called as such. There is nothing violent in what they beleive in. We did not "condemn" terrerisom in palestine, nor in Iraq- true. Would you like to know why? Simply because I can't tell you that: if an army invaded my country and started killing people, I will welcome them with a smile on my face an let them do as they like. Would you? Hamas leaders are not terrorists, they are NOT. They are trying to get back what is theirs, they've had to give up their country! I mean, come on! We don't know what they are feeling, do we? We do not consider democracy a hersey. Islam orders that all rulers, or leadres of any kind are to use it. Did you know that? It is even in the Quran, and in more than one place. I don't beleive that those who were behind the 11-9 were muslims. There were muslims killed you know. But, how very strange, hardly any jews had gone to their jobs that day! No, I'm not against them. I'm against the policy of the Israeli government, and I know that many Jews would never consider themselves as part of it. I don't know. This is frankly wearing me out. I had no idea there were people who hated Islam so much. People who thought that Hamas leaders are terrorists. This is new to me, and it will take a lot of getting used to. Thanks for your honesty Jen. Best of luck. |
| Posted by: Anonymous4312 2004-04-19 12:48:53 PM |
| #40 Oh, dear! I see you do know more than I gave you credit for, but I'm still surprised at how some facts can be distorted. I see you have been, to the best of your power, fair. and right now; I'm in shock. I am of the Sunni sect of Islam and I deal with others at all times. I've never felt the need to kill any of them, I can assure you. And "yes", I know quite a lot about the (Wahaab)muslims, I've studied the life of Mohammed Al-Wahaab, their leader, if he could be called as such. There is nothing violent in what they beleive in. We did not "condemn" terrerisom in palestine, nor in Iraq- true. Would you like to know why? Simply because I can't tell you that: if an army invaded my country and started killing people, I will welcome them with a smile on my face an let them do as they like. Would you? Hamas leaders are not terrorists, they are NOT. They are trying to get back what is theirs, they've had to give up their country! I mean, come on! We don't know what they are feeling, do we? We do not consider democracy a hersey. Islam orders that all rulers, or leadres of any kind are to use it. Did you know that? It is even in the Quran, and in more than one place. I don't beleive that those who were behind the 11-9 were muslims. There were muslims killed you know. But, how very strange, hardly any jews had gone to their jobs that day! No, I'm not against them. I'm against the policy of the Israeli government, and I know that many Jews would never consider themselves as part of it. I don't know. This is frankly wearing me out. I had no idea there were people who hated Islam so much. People who thought that Hamas leaders are terrorists. This is new to me, and it will take a lot of getting used to. Thanks for your honesty Jen. Best of luck. |
| Posted by: Anonymous4312 2004-04-19 12:48:53 PM |
| #39 Thanks, Gentle and to you, too, but I must tell you, many, many Jews died on 9/11-- on the planes, in the Twin Towers and in the Pentagon. The rumor that made the circuit in the Arab world that no Jews were killed on 9/11 was a lie. Find a list of the victims and you will see. With Internet access, this can be done. I don't know where you get your information about anything, but it's clear that it's not all that good or unbiased. It sounds like Al-Jazeera and their ilk. However, you made it to this site, so that's a good thing. All I can say is that you would be well served to keep reading this site and its news stories, follow links here, keep an open mind and try not to get upset when what you read doesn't match up with what you think you know to be true. That is the beauty of the Internet. There are quite a few of us here in America who have read and studied hard to discover who attacked us on 9/11, why they hate America and what can be done about it and what is Islam about and its sects that are radicalized (do you understand this term? It means bent on jihad by death and killing, to take over the world for Islam) and implement shar'ia by force. To save itself, Muslims would be well served to do as much or more work and study about the West. To cling to beliefs that are wrong, such as "No Jews died on 9/11" is to cling to ignorance that upholds one's world view to make one's self more comfortable. As of 9/11, those days are over. |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-04-19 3:07:30 PM |
| #38 Oh, dear! I see you do know more than I gave you credit for, but I'm still surprised at how some facts can be distorted. I see you have been, to the best of your power, fair. and right now; I'm in shock. I am of the Sunni sect of Islam and I deal with others at all times. I've never felt the need to kill any of them, I can assure you. And "yes", I know quite a lot about the (Wahaab)muslims, I've studied the life of Mohammed Al-Wahaab, their leader, if he could be called as such. There is nothing violent in what they beleive in. We did not "condemn" terrerisom in palestine, nor in Iraq- true. Would you like to know why? Simply because I can't tell you that: if an army invaded my country and started killing people, I will welcome them with a smile on my face an let them do as they like. Would you? Hamas leaders are not terrorists, they are NOT. They are trying to get back what is theirs, they've had to give up their country! I mean, come on! We don't know what they are feeling, do we? We do not consider democracy a hersey. Islam orders that all rulers, or leadres of any kind are to use it. Did you know that? It is even in the Quran, and in more than one place. I don't beleive that those who were behind the 11-9 were muslims. There were muslims killed you know. But, how very strange, hardly any jews had gone to their jobs that day! No, I'm not against them. I'm against the policy of the Israeli government, and I know that many Jews would never consider themselves as part of it. I don't know. This is frankly wearing me out. I had no idea there were people who hated Islam so much. People who thought that Hamas leaders are terrorists. This is new to me, and it will take a lot of getting used to. Thanks for your honesty Jen. Best of luck. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-04-19 12:54:20 PM |
| #37 Gentle, the UAE is one of the more progressive countries in the Middle East and an ally and friend (so far as I know) to the United States. Right now, the only Muslims we really have problems with are the Islamists or radical (Sunni) Waahab sect of Islam. But it needs to be said that the Muslims communities in places that have been attacked like the U.S., Britain, Spain, Iraq, etc. haven't exactly had a hernia condemning them or their more radical "brothers." I didn't mean to be rude, but there are elements in your religion that are a definite problem. The one Muslim community (ulema?) that has condemned Islamist terrorism when there were attacks have been the Indonesians (as with Bali). This needs to happen a lot more often. President Bush is serious when he says that he wants to bring democracy to the Arab world, even though most radical Islamists consider democracy a "heresy." America is watching her soldiers be killed in Iraq right now by radicalized Muslims from Iraq, Iran, Syria and I dare say Saudi Arabia. We had 3,000 of our people killed on 9/11 by Muslims, 15 of them from Saudi Arabia. Most of the current trouble has its origins in Waahab Saudi Arabia. We know a lot more about radical Islam than you may think. Do you? Saudi Arabia is the problem--they consider Shiite Muslims and other kinds of Muslims "polytheists," who should be put to the sword along with Christians and Jews. Our War on Terror is not against Islam; it's against radical violent jihadi Islamism, which is a political ideology as well as a religion. Now, I don't know how to be more fair and polite than that. Hope that gives you a better answer. |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-04-19 6:32:55 AM |
| #36 Why all this anger? I did not come here to insult anyone, or to be insulted. This is not the way to do things. You say you believe in "peace", well, your words are filled with hidden threats. Why? I did not mention what my religion is. let me see anyone saying anything wrong about christians or Jews and believe me I will try to set their facts straight. In Islam, we don't beleive in slavery, in a people being seperated into classes. Islam ENDED slavery, and NOT by force, but by encouraging people to do the right thing. AND, Guess how slavery came back into the world..? Once again, don't let your hatred blind you. One more thing: You say Islam opresses women? You say Islam allows them to get beaten up? You say they are not even allowed to have an opinion? Where do you get you information? the Arabian Nights? (Which by the way is NOT Arabian) If that were som how come I'm writing this? how come I know what is going on in the world? how come I have a laptop and 2 internet lines? How come I'm allowed to finish my studies? How come NO MAN has ever touched me but with kindness and respect? How come I don't HAVE to cover up, but do it out of choice? How come I don't cover my face, and no one has ever blamed me, or questioned my choice? Because it is, in the end, a CHOICE! I am a woman, a muslim women, and proud to be one. O.k. 18 years old is hardly a woman, but I seem to have a broader mind than some people! Oh, and, just for the record: I live in an arab country. In the U.A.E., Dubai. Come pay us a visit! or better yet, come talk to my proffesers, 6 of them are american! (or would you rather I said:"half a dozen"?!) In fact, the majority of the faculty in my university are american. The rest are British, canadian and Australian. Surprised? And "NO". They are not muslims. We live in peace, we love peace, we are not a violent nation. Besides, you keep linking ALL Arabs with Islam and that is not true! Back to the women issue; Women are raped in America, by their fathers and uncles and brothers. In fact, this is so common, you've even got a name for it! You use women, you use their bodies. I can't even start to name all the wrong thingsthat are done against women! Did you know that before Islam came, women were "inherited"? like some kind of possesion! Islam stopped that. Go on, I want to hear your comments, but please be rational, don't just heap insults on the heads of all muslims, trying to blame them for all that went wrong in your life. THINK, THINK, THINK! before you write, before you accuse. I will answer if what you write is serious, but if it is not, can I be blamed for ignoring? P.S. Don't worry, even if I do igfnore, I'll beg your pardon first. and NO, I'm not being sarcastic, this is just the way we were raised, valuing manners and politness, not weapons. Thanks. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-04-19 6:15:36 AM |
| #35 Megadittos, Rafael! I agree--Oh, and "Gentle," I've read half a dozen (that's 6 to you Muslims) books on Islam and they all say the same thing: The Koran explicitly exhorts Muslims to wage jihad against kuffir or infidels. The radical sects choose to take this to mean violent jihadi murder and the takeover of the whole world for Islam, "by the sword" if necessary. In fact, the best that we "infidels' (Christians, Jews, Shiites, atheists, Buddists, Hindus, etc.) can hope for is dhimmitude or second-class citizenship where we pay a "tax." And WOMEN get a completely unfair deal no "matter how moderate the Muslim, having to fight for every basic human liberty conceivable under shar'ia. Get a clue: it ain't the "Religion of Peace" for some and those radical few are ruining it for the rest of you. We're not there yet, but someday the entire religion may have to be completely banned from the planet because it holds the seeds of violence. The days when you Muslims could sell yourselves as followers of a religion of "peace" and "mercy" are fast drawing to a close. Check out Christianity--it has a lot more for you. |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-04-19 5:39:58 AM |
| #34 They're trying to defend themselves, they don't have much choice. And the best defense is a good offense, right? Right! They have a lot of choices: peaceful co-existance is one of them. Oh I forgot. Jews are not allowed to live in Greater Palestine. How many of you have really stopped and got a book on Islam and read it? Actually I have. A book distributed by Muslims for Muslims, that answers some frequently asked questions by Muslims. I didn't like what I read. I found out there's not much room for me in Islam, unless I convert, or become a slave. It is a religion of mercy No it's not. Very little mercy is shown in practice. The biggest evidence of this, of course, is 9-11. And BTW, never assume that the people who post here are stupid, as you in fact have just done. Welcome to western civilization my friend, where most of the time, we call it like we see it! |
| Posted by: Rafael 2004-04-19 5:07:00 AM |
| #33 Hi everyone (: This is my first time on this web site, and I believe you guys have a lot of facts wrong! Sorry! I know no one likes being told that, but aren't you playing into the hands of politicians? How many of you have really stopped and got a book on Islam and read it? Do you know that muslims believe that: What Osama Bin Laden did, if it was him, is wrong? What Hitler did was barbaric, inhuman, and against every rule in Islam? They are not people who like violance, they only fight in self defence. I know what you will say; "Then why all the killings in Palestine?" DEAH!! They're trying to defend themselves, they don't have much choice. I'm not saying I agree with them killing civilians, because I DON'T. But; What is wrong with you people? Do you just swollow up everything forced into your mouths? Think, for God's sake, THINK! Islam is against exremists, did you know that? Islam is against killing anyone, unless a murderer, or an attacker in war. Islam is even against killing a bird for sport! It is a religion of mercy, NOT what you imagine it to be. I wish I knew how to SHOW you what Islam is like. I wish I could. P.S. Please, DON'T let you hatred blind you. Thanks for the time |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-04-19 4:13:13 AM |
#32 People like you should die peacefully in their sleep which is more than you would give to the people of Iraq as you support their annihilation by Dumbya Bush..YAWN.Think you can find something intelligent to say for once? |
| Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2004-04-19 1:16:26 AM |
| #31 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-19 12:46:13 AM |
| #30 Wrong. Wrong. Wrong, Anti. Jesus was a Jew because he was born of a Jewish mother, just like the rest of the Jews. God promised the Holy Land to His people, the Jewish people, the Hebrew people. Check the Old Testament for both the heritage of the Jews, that of our Lord Jesus Christ and the lineage of Abraham and Haggar, the non-Jewish Semites. I'm a Christian and because I believe both books of the Bible and accept them as Truth, I am a Christian Zionist. The "Palestinians" are from Jordan. They were kicked out of Jordan in 1970 by King Hussein. There hasn't been a place called "Palestine" since 1947 and Arafat knows it. If the Paleostinians have a land it's JORDAN. Hope that helps. Have a nice day and a great life as an oppressed baby factory of some Muslim scum! If he finds out you've been on the Internet expressing yourself he will beat you. (Well, he'll beat you anyway, but that would just be one more reason) Oh, and how'd that clitorectemy work out for you? |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-04-19 12:09:54 AM |
| #29 Antiwar: Zionists(who collaborated with the Nazis during the holocaust). Actually, Zionists fought the Nazis. Muslims and Arabs collaborated with the Nazis at every opportunity. Too bad Antiwar wasn't alive at the time to help Hitler out. |
| Posted by: Zhang Fei 2004-04-19 12:00:45 AM |
| #28 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-18 11:35:20 PM |
| #27 U.S. officials denied giving a green light to Israel. There was no green light. It was that secret handshake that Bush gave Sharon when he was here last week which signaled approval! Somebody check the videotape of the press conference! |
| Posted by: Anonymous4052 2004-04-18 11:29:59 PM |
| #26 Yep, Antiwar's an Arab Muslim all right. Do the "Aussie" authorities know? Auntie, Jews are a race, too, as well as a religion. Ask around, although there are considerable fewer of them since Hitler tried that whole "bogus" wipe-out-the-Jewish-race Holocaust thing. (BTW, I thought you people thought the Holocaust was a lie, didn't you?So how could you admit it happened for whatever reasons?) Jesus was a Jew (as descended from his Jewish mother, Judaism being a matriarchical race) and of the House of David, as well as Abraham, but of the lineage of Abraham and Sarah, not the adulterous relationship of Abraham and his handmaiden Haggar. From thence sprang the Arab Semites. And Jesus was the Son of God, not just a "prophet," as Muslims maintain. Yes, Auntie, God did give the land of Israel to His people the Hebrews, but having lost it to the Romans in the 3rd Century and after persecution by the Nazis in WWII, they fought for and regained their land in 1947 and again in 1967 and yet more again in 1973. Take care, now, Muslim girl, and be sure that tin foil burqa's on nice and tight! |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-04-18 11:22:14 PM |
| #25 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-18 11:06:22 PM |
| #24 Wait, ZF, I thought antiwar was an Australian 20-30-something female with the intellect of a moderately bright 10-year-old ... although I suppose that doesn't rule out being Muslim or Arab. |
| Posted by: docob 2004-04-18 10:45:26 PM |
| #23 "The cause of all the bloodshed in Palestine is the existence of the zionist entity." Antiwar is either a Muslim, a self-hating Jew or a brain-washed Leftist. I suppose it's possible to be all 3 at once if someone tried. The cause of all bloodshed in "Palestine" is the shame-based Arab jihadi culture which has been trying to be AS GOOD AS their Semitic cousins since ancient history began, ref. Babylon. |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-04-18 7:26:11 PM |
| #22 Zionist entity is a different culture. Yes its liberal democracy with the rule of law that tries to create win-win relationships with its neighbours. Unfortunately, this doesn't work with Arabs and killing them seems the only way to keep them under control. |
| Posted by: Phil B 2004-04-18 7:23:56 PM |
| #21 Antiwar: The cause of all the bloodshed in Palestine is the existence of the zionist entity. OK - we now know "Antiwar" is a Muslim or an Arab. The Muslim/Arab definition of terrorism is anything that a non-Muslim country does to kill Muslim terrorists. This is why "Antiwar" is so indignant about the War on Terror - she's happy enough to see non-Muslims killed in the thousands, but for the Muslim terrorists to be killed in return is obviously something that Muhammad the pedophile would strenuously object to. |
| Posted by: Zhang Fei 2004-04-18 7:11:30 PM |
| #20 Well, dear Freeper Bastards, I stay consistent, so I won't condemn the slaughter of an knee walking baby doctor. I am remember that the Zionist entity is a different culture. And sometimes, A KILL IS JUST A KILL. |
| Posted by: AntiGum 2004-04-18 6:56:40 PM |
| #19 Raj The goal is not the destruction of Israel: ie have Israelis pay taxes to support Palestinian politicians. Yasin repeatedly stated that the goal was the destruction of Jews. Everyone of them. Everyone of them in the world. |
| Posted by: JFM 2004-04-18 1:29:27 PM |
| #18 The cause of all the bloodshed in Palestine is the existence of the zionist entity. That's exactly backwards. That's the symptom, AntiWar; the cause of all the bloodshed in Palestine (and Israel, which you conveniently omitted) is a bloodthirsty genocidal mentality operating unther the veneer of Islamic doctrine that states explicitly in the charter of Hamas, Palestinian textbooks, etc. that their goal is nothing short of the destruction of Israel. Is it your intention to excuse this behaviour and absolve the Palestinians of any and responsibility? Seems to me the answer to that question is YES. |
| Posted by: Raj 2004-04-18 11:52:49 AM |
| #17 Don't know why the world is screaming. The Pals have said time and time again that to die as a shahid is to serve Allah. Sharon seems to have done the guy a favour. |
| Posted by: Barry 2004-04-18 11:26:36 AM |
| #16 Hey, Antiwar, are you the secret new headhoncho of Hamas by any chance? |
| Posted by: Evert Visser in NL 2004-04-18 11:10:17 AM |
| #15 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-18 11:03:12 AM |
| #14 Raj: Good one! JFM: Perceptive point about Patton's concern for the lives of his soldiers. Dad's division was part of the Third Army for a short time, and he's always spoken highly of Patton. One of the local radio stations keeps playing this fun little ditty with this refrain: I'm just a curbside prophet with my hand in my pocket and I'm waitin' for my rocket to come . . . . It's not about Yassin or Rantisi, but that refrain could be. |
| Posted by: Mike 2004-04-18 8:35:43 AM |
| #13 The fact that the "Arab street" is once again seething just shows how widespread the psychopathology is among Arab hotheads. The Arabs cared not the least when Saddam killed thousands of Muslim Kurds or his Arab subjects, not did anyone care when King Hussein killed thousands of Paleos. |
| Posted by: virginian 2004-04-18 8:18:33 AM |
| #12 I think they stumbled upon a pattern, heh. |
| Posted by: Rafael 2004-04-18 7:20:46 AM |
| #11 The good folks over at The Command Post are linking to a story indicating the Paleos have decided NOT to reveal the identity of Rantissi's successor. LOL..... |
| Posted by: Mark 2004-04-18 7:11:47 AM |
| #10 Great post/commentary Raj! The verdict was near unanimous amid the tears and rage on Palestinian streets after Israel killed Hamas leader Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi in an air strike Saturday that many Arabs felt President Bush must have approved. "Bush has Rantissi’s blood on his hands," said Khamis Saadi, among tens of thousands who swept into Gaza’s shabby streets. "All doors to hell should be opened against the Israelis and against the Americans," he cried. Is the anti-american rage among Paleos just an artifact of our anti-american press? Or do the Paleos really see us as equally to blame for bagging Rantisi? Say the latter, why is that so? The NY Times and the Dems will be quick to say that that's because we've allied ourselves too closely to Israel generally and to Sharon in particular. And there may be a particle of truth to that. If Bush II were more like Bush I, and James Baker (as opposed to, say, Paul Wolfowitz) had his ear, maybe the Paleo mobs wouldn't today be screeching "Death to America!" Maybe.... But my hunch is that they would still be muttering it under their breath, because they hate America for pretty much the same reason that they hate Israel. Even if Israel were to disappear tomorrow, the Arabs would still keep on hating America, 'cuz the hatred comes out of the shame they feel when compared to a successful culture/society. In short and in sum, Israel's enemies are America's enemies, and for reasons much deeper than that America and Israel happen to be "friends" and military allies. |
| Posted by: WUZZALIB 2004-04-18 4:40:18 AM |
| #9 "Rommel, you magnificent bastard! I read your book!" |
| Posted by: Anonymous2U 2004-04-18 3:57:38 AM |
| #8 Well, the next secret Hamas leader will just have to be hit with a secret Hellfire missile. |
| Posted by: Alaska Paul 2004-04-18 2:48:45 AM |
| #7 The whole concept of the next Hamas leader being a secret just cracks me up for some reason. |
| Posted by: JAB 2004-04-18 2:23:27 AM |
| #6 The whole concept of the next Hamas leader being a secret just cracks me up for some reason. |
| Posted by: JAB 2004-04-18 2:23:23 AM |
| #5 I love it too. Specially the initial speech (that recently I learned was made from bits of areal speech). The part about "we will use their guts to grease the tracks of our tanks". Too bad I have only been able to see it two or three times here in France. But above all I like the first sentence "The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his!" because it implies that soldiers lives are NOT expendable and that the generals duty towards them and the country was to minimize losses. Contrast them with Foch's words "I have two hundred thousand men to spend", meaning that the lives of his soldiers didn't matter to him but that it didn't matter to him that those 200,000 men would be needed at peacetime for making the economy run and also for having children (one of France's dramas after WWI was the apalling birthrate, lower than deathrate, due in part to the shortage of men) meaning a weakened diplomatic (France could not afford another bloodbath) and military position during the thirties. Foch's words should have let him to been shot for high treason instead of having streets named like him. |
| Posted by: JFM 2004-04-18 2:17:28 AM |
| #4 So, what's the big deal? A high ranking, hard to kill, Jew Hating raghead finally bit the Big Enchilada... Looks like it's time for Yasser to look for a new hiding place and take another Paranoia pill! |
| Posted by: Jack Deth 2004-04-18 2:14:09 AM |
| #3 Great post and comments, Raj! I love the movie "Patton," too and saw that it was on tonight. I've seen it about 30 times already. In fact, I had the good fortune to actually meet George C. Scott and tell him how terrific he was in the part. "Old blood and guts indeed!" We need an infusion of his warrior spirit--BIG TIME. |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-04-18 1:30:31 AM |
| #2 "The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his!" |
| Posted by: George Patton 2004-04-18 1:07:53 AM |
| #1 Might there actually be an attempt at victory? |
| Posted by: Lucky 2004-04-18 12:50:49 AM |
