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| 2004-04-29 | |||||||
| Their eyes locked. Then Barbara Holland saw the barrel of the gun. She lay on the floorin her house after an intruder had knocked her down while pushing through her side door. While on her back, she drew a 9mm handgun from a holster on her waist. Her assailant's glare suddenly changed. "He looked surprised," Holland said.
Then she pulled the trigger. Holland, a 38-year-old Detroit business owner and mother, remembers firing three shots. Detroit police told her she fired six.
Either way, she killed the 42-year-old man, Clabe Hunt -- who had shoved into her home on Troester, near Hayes, on Detroit's east side at 8:10 p.m. April 13. He was an ex-con with five children and was armed with a loaded, nickel-plated semiautomatic handgun that was not registered to him. Autopsy reports indicate he was shot in the head multiple times. He never fired his weapon.
Police officers said Holland's gun was licensed, and they determined the shooting to be self-defense. Wayne County prosecutors continue to investigate, which is routine in most fatal shootings. Citizens defending themselves are precisely what backers of Michigan's controversial concealed-weapons law had in mind when they worked to pass the legislation in 2001. The law makes it easier for anyone without felony convictions or mental illnesses to obtain a permit to carry concealed weapons.
"The more the criminal element knows that Michigan residents can protect themselves and will protect themselves, the more crime goes down," said state Sen. Alan Cropsey, R-Dewitt.
Some opponents of the law predicted a large increase in self-defense-type shootings.
Gov. Jennifer Granholm, who opposed the measure when she was state attorney general, has acknowledged that has not occurred.
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| Posted by:Steve |
| #31 Cingold you are a twat. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-04-29 12:27:09 PM |
| #30 Dragonfly thank you for your prompt reply :-) Hopefully your home won't be broken into and you will stay safe. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-04-29 12:25:23 PM |
| #29 Dragonfly true yes. Lucky the intruder didnt shoot first before Barbara had a chance too or SHE would be dead and the scumbag doing a little time in an all expenses paid hotel sorry prison. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-04-29 12:14:53 PM |
| #28 His fault he got shot he broke into someone else's house. However do you think their is a possibility in this type scenario the home invader could wrestle the gun out of the home owners hand and kill them with their own weapon. Do not own a firearm myself so not sure. |
| Posted by: Antiwar 2004-04-29 11:51:40 AM |
| #27 true, but given a distance of a couple feet, I'd press the barrel between the eyes first....helps with the blowback mess |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-04-29 8:48:35 PM |
| #26 Deacon Blues, you may be right but any military or police training course will tell you to shoot for the center of mass. Heads are small compared to torsos. |
| Posted by: ruprecht 2004-04-29 8:44:10 PM |
#25 that's the point the far left cannot or will not grasp.That's "will not," Jarhead. |
| Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2004-04-29 6:49:50 PM |
| #24 ruprecht: a head shot is the best way to stop someone. They will not be a threat any more after a 9mm to the punkin'. |
| Posted by: Deacon Blues 2004-04-29 4:41:14 PM |
| #23 Odd duck |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-04-29 4:25:36 PM |
| #22 I'm disgusted at this whole thread. What Barbara did was very dangerous and I disapprove. She shot a burgler, not a zombie, and should have aimed for the center of mass not the head. |
| Posted by: ruprecht 2004-04-29 4:17:50 PM |
| #21 Does Michigan have a recall law in case the procecutor goes against his better judgement, and decides to make trouble for Ms. Holland? |
| Posted by: BigEd 2004-04-29 3:56:45 PM |
| #20 "An armed society is a polite society." -- R.A. Heinlein |
| Posted by: snellenr 2004-04-29 3:29:48 PM |
| #19 Oh no! She, he, it, them Antiwar(s) are back! And donât they sound so polite today. Antiwar--Mistress of Mohammed (the "prophet" from days of yore, who molested 9 year-old girls, and who's followers do the same) Anti Antimatter -- that archetype of "Whatever"-ness asks: " . . . Do you think their is a possibility in this type scenario the home invader could wrestle the gun out of the home owners hand and kill them with their own weapon." From you, yes. But "no worries "--(see, I can be Australian, too)--Pakistani Princess Antiwar(s), you can always just talk to the assailant about the virtues of "peace " instead, unless of course, you're too busy wishing him to die of cancer. #13 Ex-lib you indeed deserve to die slowly maybe from a cancer that attacks all your bones and organs you are so filled with evil venom and hatred you probably will. (Posted by: Antiwar 2004-04-26 1:00:05 PM) or are too busy "threatening" him that he will not enter your Islamic resting place of eternal idiocy: #64 Ex-lib You are indeed an Agent of Satan. May you swallow your pride and ask for God's forgiveness. If you do not you risk permanent annihilation and will not share in the Earthly Paradise He has planned for the righteous. (Posted by: Antiwar-Confronter 2004-04-26 3:06:40 PM ) Hey, Antibrain--will you please break into my house? Will ya, huh? Will ya? Cockroach hunting strategy tips: #1) Antiwar will never denounce any of the atrocities being carried out by Islamic hooligans anywhere in the world, no matter how terrible. Doing so would offend her, his, its, their, Islamic employers in the UK, and they would find Antiwar guilty of violating Islamic âlaw." #2) Antiwar(s) is a troll. You can feed it, get it satiated and then go in for the kill, OR you can ignore it, starve it and let it slip into oblivion. Either way accomplishes the same goal. Note: Iâve started compiling a list of all of the nasty, derogatory, quips and hostile, ugly, war-like things Antiwar(s) says. At some point Iâll publish it for. Letâs see, the Antiwar attack of the day started with: âCingold, you are a twat. â Okay . . . âtwat â goes on the list. |
| Posted by: ex-lib 2004-04-29 3:02:16 PM |
| #18 And awaaaaaay we go! |
| Posted by: whitecollar redneck 2004-04-29 12:44:29 PM |
| #17 Cingold you are a twat. Looks suspiciously like the reaction that cockroaches exhibit when the lights are turned on. |
| Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2004-04-29 12:41:17 PM |
| #16 Uht oh. |
| Posted by: Dragon Fly 2004-04-29 12:28:49 PM |
| #15 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-29 12:27:09 PM |
| #14 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-29 12:25:23 PM |
| #13 Antiwar is a fake -- she pretends to be a nice, concerned liberal, but s/he gets real nasty when support for islamofascists (including undermining Western society and values) is confronted too directly. So as not to waste bandwidth, you can read the Same Story, Different Day right here. |
| Posted by: cingold 2004-04-29 12:24:54 PM |
| #12 Antiwar. I appreciate your concerns. However, that is why there are thousands of gun saftey and usage classes across the country. As well, some tactical and strategic considerations by a gun owner goes a long way. Should I opt to defend my home with a gun, you can bet your bum that I will have thought through all possibilities. |
| Posted by: Dragon Fly 2004-04-29 12:19:55 PM |
| #11 Good shooting Barbara! I get a kick out of signs stuck in someone's yard - "this home protected by so-and-so security system". I choose to believe my 1st Marine Division and NRA decals on my back and front doors give the bad guys a hint as to what may come their way. |
| Posted by: Doc8404 2004-04-29 12:15:54 PM |
| #10 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-29 12:14:53 PM |
| #9 However do you think their is a possibility in this type scenario the home invader could wrestle the gun out of the home owners hand and kill them with their own weapon. Not if they have a slug in the skull. |
| Posted by: Dragon Fly 2004-04-29 12:07:07 PM |
| #8 Antiwar, you miss the point. The intruder was ALREADY armed. I was involved in a similar situation as Jarhead. All that was required was a showing of my 1911A1 and no one got hurt. If I hadn't had it I would have been hurt. There is no way someone is going to take a firearm out of my hand before I can use it. Someone can, however, take a phone out of my hand before I can call 911 and get the police there. |
| Posted by: Deacon Blues 2004-04-29 12:02:45 PM |
| #7 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Antiwar TROLL 2004-04-29 11:51:40 AM |
| #6 DF, I always liked "if you're found here tonight, you'll be found here tomorrow." |
| Posted by: Jarhead 2004-04-29 11:46:04 AM |
| #5 Detroit......where the weak are killed and eaten. A t-shirt I used to have growing up there. Before I joined the Corps I worked downtown, I used to carry (yes, it was illegal at the time) but I figured I'd rather take the chance then having some a-hole put a bullet in me or a shiv in my back over the $25 in my wallet or car keys. A couple times when "un-friendlys" would watch me a little too closely from across the street as I got in and out of my car a simple flash of the pistol grip of my Glock in my waist band or under my coat would quickly disperse them. That's the interesting thing, just the knowledge that I have a firearm defuses the situation, no one gets shot or killed and criminals get deterred - that's the point the far left cannot or will not grasp. |
| Posted by: Jarhead 2004-04-29 11:44:44 AM |
| #4 debbie...We should put signs that read: We Conceal and Will Reveal Should You Violate my Castle. |
| Posted by: Dragon Fly 2004-04-29 11:29:47 AM |
| #3 In Minneasota, we have had conceal carry for over a year. Lately, lawn signs have been popping up saying "Repeal Conceal" from a group called "MInneasotans against being shot".....typical lefty hyperbole as there have been no increase in shootings since conceal carry passed. |
| Posted by: debbie 2004-04-29 11:24:51 AM |
| #2 He was an ex-con with five children and.. I fail to see the value in mentioning that the guy was a father of five kids. He could have sired fifteen little brats and I still would have applauded Ms. Holland's actions. |
| Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2004-04-29 11:09:27 AM |
| #1 Some opponents of the law predicted a large increase in self-defense-type shootings. And this is a problem, how? Detroit's run by the criminals. If the sheep start shooting back, it might get dangerous. |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2004-04-29 11:05:46 AM |