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| Frauds Try to Exploit Iraq Abuse Scandal |
| 2004-05-09 |
| The scandal over abuse at Abu Ghraib is bringing out the stories, from people fearing for imprisoned relatives, from former detainees who claim mistreatment — and from possible frauds looking to exploit the uproar. At a press conference by human rights groups in Baghdad on Sunday, numerous former prisoners came forward to tell of abuse including beatings by soldiers and sleep deprivation. The accounts resembled those found by U.S. investigators at the notorious prison. Fallujah native Abdul-Qader Abdul-Rahman al-Ani, his left elbow wrapped in bandages, his right forearm bound in a cast, recounted how he was beaten by soldiers who picked him up last month. The soldiers tied him and two others arrested with him to a tree and sodomized them one after the other, he told journalists. "I ask President Bush," he said. "Does he agree with this?" As Ani, 47, repeated his story, he was interrupted by Jabber al-Okaili, a member of one of the human rights groups that organized the gathering. "He's lying," al-Okaili shouted. "He's a liar!" Al-Ani was rushed to an office, where al-Okaili and others unwound the bandage on his left arm and found the elbow unscarred and healthy. They cut off half of the cast on his forearm, even as al-Ani insisted, "By God, it's true, everything I say is true." "All his papers were forged," al-Okaili, of the Free Iraq Institute, said after al-Ani left the building. "Who knows why he did this. Maybe he was paid by former members of Saddam Hussein's regime." "There are people who try to exploit the situation," said Adel al-Allami, of the Human Rights Organization of Iraq. "We have to be very careful and very precise in our facts. This is a very sensitive issue." |
| Posted by:Fred |
| #2 Late '42?!?! I'd say it's late '40. The bad news is 9/11 was the Panay. We haven't seen the Pearl Harbor yet and won't be at war till we do. |
| Posted by: Mr. Davis 2004-05-09 7:24:52 PM |
| #1 I for one am happy for pictures of abuse. I want to break our enemies will to fight, and if humilation at the hands of women or taking pictures of the "brave jihadis" in womens underwear makes these guys give up names,numbers and locations of their organizations of hate and terror, thats fine with me. I want our enemies to fear us, and fear us deeply. I love the idea that jihadis might think twice before killing americans( or anyone else for that matter, but one thing at a time). The Jihadis all crave death, but apparently being forced to wear 'hanes l'eggs pantyhose' sends them into a tizzy. Does anyone think if these pictures were of Saddam being treated poorly that we would care as much? These people that are being abused here are the modern worlds equivalent to SS stormtroopers, who openly kill, maim and exort from women and children on a daily basis, they dont do it in the name of the rights of man or the independence of iraq, they do it for nothing but money, mostly Iranian money. These are not as some would say, just "kids off the street". We've all seen the pictures of Mussolini hanging upside down in a gas station. Our reaction to those horrible pictures of ritualistic partisan abuse is simple offhanded "good riddance". Where do get off endowing these jihadi bastards with any more humanity than we do to the former ruler of fascist Italy? He was just a man after all, dont we have respect for the dead? sorry kids, he gave up his position of being "just a man" when he aided and abetted genocide. As far as respect for the dead goes? "sic semper tyrannus" I say. There is no better deterrent to dictators than that one picture alone. We are all adults here, we know what goes on in prisons in this country every day. We also know that one of the most effective non invasive methods to break someones spirit is to simply deny them sleep. Anyone remember the Panama invasion? what was that, 30 straight days of US troops playing Van Halen's "Panama" over loudspeakers? Didnt Janet Reno also abuse the families in Waco with similar sleep deprivation techniques? Anyone remember the UK Guardian, or the NY Times getting into a lather over it? page a-13 below the fold, behind the Macys ad, I think. What do we have here exactly? Do we have pictures of our troops hanging prisoners on piano wire? inserting glass rods into their penises and the breaking them off? dripping acid on them? hardly. No, we had Wimmin mocking "jihadi jonnies" and their fleshy man parts. oh, thats just awful "jihadi johnny", how did you withstand it?....... maybe next time you get a big idea to set up a bomb that kills americans by the roadside, you'll think twice, eh? What do the french do when they want information from suspected terrrorists? The Germans?, and oh, how 'bout the russians? why I'll bet they all get right on the phone with "jacoby and meyers" to ensure that the rights of the jihadis are ensured while they are fed cheese and crackers with a glass of merlot on a sunny afternoon. More Wine, Sheik Mohammed? Does anyone remember a single european head of state take responsibility for his countries actions overseas? Ever? Dont even get me started on what middle eastern rulers will do to people who even have an Israeli stamp in the their passport? any outcry for that? hardly.The silence is deafening, because according to the leftists, we deserve our fate. Those people that are the most appalled by the prison abuse scandal also spoke openly of Americans as war criminals before these pictures were released. What they are appalled at wasnt the prison abuse, but the fact that people like me havent turned our backs on our Army, our President or our country as a result of the disclosure. Out here in "flyover country", the unwashed populace is not about to indict the entire country because of pictures of prison abuse. Most of us wished far worse things on the likes of Mr. Osama bin laden and Mohammed Atta and even Saddam Hussein for making us interrupt our lives so we can go clean up his giant sized cat box of a country. We know that the guilty in our Army will be punished and that even if the worst of the accusations proves to be true that it doesnt add up to what a single days atrocities add up to in countries like Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, France, Germany, Spain, Kosovo, RUssia. Let's be clear what going on here. This case of prison abuse is being used as a crowbar on the heads of the American populace. You and your decent human sensibilities are being targeted by the jihadists and their leftist supporters. "SEE THE HORRIBLE CONDITIONS OF THE IRAQI PRISONERS UNDER THE EVIL AMERICANS". Our enemies count on our decency as a weak point. They think they can count on our common decency to save them when they start to lose. "Don't worry Mohammed, if the Americans catch you, it will be the best you've even been treated", they say to each other. Well Sorry Jihadi Jonny, My contract for decency ended with the second aircraft went into the WTC. "You called the tune Jihadi, now you pay the piper", I say. Once upon a time, Americans were faced with another enemy who fought to only to the death and as a result they were forced to abandon their chivalous decent homespun American ways. We began to use the invention of air dropped napalm and handheld flamethrowers to kill en masse members of the Imperial Japanese Army. We then went on to torch their cities, filled with their civilians. We called for Unconditional Surrender from a culture where surrender was unknown. Why? Because in wartime, you do what it takes to end the war, because ending it is the only humane act you can take. And wars only end when your enemies capitulate to your will or you to theirs. All military action is based on that one fact alone, your enemies must say "no more" for their to be any peace. You go as far as you need to ensure that it happens. If putting "Jihad Jonny" in panties moves us one day closer to ending the war, then I'm all for it. But then a again, if crushing his head under a tank tread gets us one step closer to peace and freedom for all mankind, then I'm all for that too. Those of you who think "Bush is a bloodsucker",I got news for you. There are alot of us who wish he would do more. Were easy to find, we usually fly the US flag, even if its not a holiday. By the way, dear readers, If you dont react to this "prisoner abuse event" in the way the leftists and jihadis wish, you can all get ready to see pictures of women and children killed by American troops, trumpeted on every headline on every newspaper and broadcast from here to election day. I can guarantee you that by the end of this month, We will begin to see "evidence" from the worlds press of American War crimes in Iraq. The worlds leftists and the Middle eastern Dictatorships cannot afford to let the Iraq experiment work. They will stop at nothing to deny America to be perceived as successful in this endevor. If we are successful, the dictators of the world wil be on the run for a very long time. If we fail, The rise of dictators has only just begun. However, if you think you were shocked by the abuse pictures, you can bet your ass that the press was just as shocked at the polls that showed that 70% of the people polled didnt want Rumsfeld to resign. The "war", is not even close to an end, it's just getting started.It's not 1945. its late 1942. Let us all pray for our success in winning this war for as to lose will most certainly mean our eventual enslavement, both the right and the left. And while I remain optimistic as to our chances, I am fully aware that we can lose, but only if we decide to stop fighting. |
| Posted by: Frank Martin 2004-05-09 7:05:09 PM |