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Russia
Chechnya a deepening trap for Putin
2004-09-13
The broken and burned bodies of children had just been pulled from the wreckage of a small-town school. All Russia was in mourning. And President Vladimir Putin was quietly furious. Over tea and cakes at his country retreat, he kept a group of visitors past midnight last week, intent on making them understand why the long-running war in Chechnya had triggered the bloodbath in nearby Beslan. The war was not his fault, he said, but the failure of "weak leaders" in the 1990s and mistakes that "I would not have made." "No one," he added insistently, "can blame us for inflexibility with the people of Chechnya."

For Putin, Chechnya has become a trap he cannot escape. In 1999, he promised Russians a two-week war that would crush the separatist enemy. Instead, he has given them an endless struggle that haunts his presidency, a guerrilla conflict generating a wave of terrorism that has killed about 450 people in the last month and 1,000 over two years. In private, according to people who have spoken with him, the normally cool former KGB officer rails in frustration at his inability to halt the violence and responds with seething anger to those who question his approach. While he portrays his policy as flexible, a review of the last five years shows that Putin never really wavered from the tough, no-compromise course he set in 1999 as prime minister when he vowed to "wipe them out in the outhouse." Every time he flirted with new approaches, according to interviews with politicians, analysts and presidential advisers, Putin would turn back to the same formula.
Posted by:Dan Darling

#12  "It's the Chechens who are blowing themselves up (and it only started a couple of years ago).."

I applaud their efforts. In fact I strongly encourage and support their activities. I would be willing to contribute to their bomb making activities.

However I do so wish they would do it in an empty field someplace so that they do not hurt innocent people.
Posted by: Michael   2004-09-13 1:43:10 PM  

#11  Stalin was an asshole - but he kicked Hitler's ass.
Posted by: Anonymous6417   2004-09-13 1:16:17 PM  

#10  Question: how long will the Chechens be able to sustain their war with most foreign sources of funds (read Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc) cut off?
Posted by: trailing wife   2004-09-13 1:10:51 PM  

#9  The armed forces are a resource issue, which can be address where the will exists. The ills of Russia are, indeed, deep and the list is long.

We'll see what Putin does. He has enormous authority. Given my druthers, I'd dump him in a heartbeat, since he's demonstrated that he can be bought, but he's there and the Russians are stuck with him... for the moment.

Nothing is static. 3-5 years on, if the willful Chechens keep up their attacks and barbarism (not that they are the only ones displaying such behavior), who knows who and what they will be facing then. You don't know what the Russians will do, within the list of things they are capable of doing, along the way. You sure as hell don't know what they will do tomorrow - Basayev may yet push them to, and over, the brink. He seems bent upon it, in fact.

So is it a quagmire? Lol!
Posted by: .com   2004-09-13 11:11:03 AM  

#8  Before you speak of the 'Will to win', you better start acknowledging the dire state of the Russian armed forces (army, FSB, Chechen police). They sell their weapons and take bribes.. briefly put, there's much more 'will to win' on the Chechen side..No matter what Putin wants, it's the armed forces who are not 'up to par'..It's the Chechens who are blowing themselves up (and it only started a couple of years ago)..Face it, the will on their side is bigger then on the Russian side.. Beslan will not change that. And even if the Russians can wipe them out in a second, that's not what they are gonna do..
Posted by: lyot   2004-09-13 10:52:23 AM  

#7  lyot - I know you don't really want an honest answer, you're just being your usual disingenuous onanistic trollish self.

Simple: Will to Win + Required Resources = win.

The Will to Win component just went up in response to Beslan, no? Before that, I would have granted that Russia had let Chechnya become a quagmire. But the balance just changed dramatically. Reassess and decide for yourself.

Maybe they will, indeed, "Do the Euro": throw up their hands and cower in the face of the Islamofascist challenge, and try to negotiate with people who behead the helpless and shoot children. Maybe not. We'll see how the change in the will of Putin and the Russian people affects the equation. Even a jackoff like you will admit that Russia could wipe them off the face of the planet in a matter of a few hours. That is, after all, merely a matter of will for Russia.
Posted by: .com   2004-09-13 10:26:48 AM  

#6  if Chechnya doesn't even constitute a quagmire, then what does ?
Posted by: lyot   2004-09-13 9:55:39 AM  

#5  Right-on, CF. Another underlying theme is a whisper: "It's a quagmire. Pass it on."
Posted by: .com   2004-09-13 9:29:51 AM  

#4  Looks like WAPO (and the MSM) is rewarding their allies the terrorists for their kidnapping, murder, and rape of children. It appears that this is blaming Putin (exactly what the terrorists want) for what happened and letting the terrorists off scot-free. It doesn't even call them 'terrorists'.

While there are problems in Chechnya and Policy probably needs to be changed - the policy is not the main, sole, reason for the bloodbath as this article seems to indicate.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2004-09-13 9:23:51 AM  

#3  well, V, it certainly is a risk. There will be needed a huge effort from the international community to avoid that, I reckon..After the first war, there was an evolution towards an Islamo-facist regime, yet only because some of these warlords were really out of hand. The majority of the Chechens really doesn't want a Islamofacist republic..But it's the ones with armes who mostly end up in charge.. Basayev is a threat a in that respect..It will never be possible to (re)integrete him into the political process.. Maschadov will not be the exponent of the Wahhabist, Islamofacists though. He's moderate, just like the vast majority of Chechens.. But the 20% of extremist might pose a problem, indeed.
Posted by: lyot   2004-09-13 8:52:24 AM  

#2  I can't help but think that even if a peaceful solution is reached, that will only clear the field for the Islamo-fascists to take over Chechnya.
Posted by: V is for Victory   2004-09-13 8:27:53 AM  

#1  Edit for length, please - even if it is a WaPo registration required article..

Other than that, looks like the WaPo is sharpening its knives for Putin.
Posted by: OldSpook   2004-09-13 1:48:02 AM  

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