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Israel-Palestine
Sources close to Arafat deny he is "brain dead,' kept on life support
2004-11-05
PARIS - Sources close to Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, hospitalized near Paris, on early Friday denied he was "brain dead" and breathing only thanks to artificial life support systems, as a French medical official had said after conflicting reports as to whether he was alive or dead.
"No, no! Certainly not!"
"President Arafat is not in a coma, his state of health inspires confidence in us, he has not lost consciousness, partially or totally, and his vital organs are working normally," said Mohammed Rashid, a member of the 75-year-old leader's delegation here.
"Yeah! He always looks like that!"
He told journalists: "He does not need help from any reanimation machine and we hope that his general condition will improve in the next few hours."
"Bring out the Zionist Reanimation Machine!"
Arafat's closest adviser Nabil Abu Rudeina also denied that the Palestinian leader was brain dead. Earlier, the French official had told AFP on condition of confidentiality that in strictly technical terms, Arafat was "not dead," but he had slipped into an irreversible coma and could only be maintained in his vegetative state through ventilation machines.
As a pulmonary/critical care doc, I can tell you that just based on the news reports, the likelihood of the old buzzard surviving to discharge (a standard measure) is about 1%. Coma, mechanical ventilation and a low platelet count move you nice and high on the APACHE critical illness score.
"He's not 'dead,' y'see. He's just not... ummm... alive."
The information followed a short statement by a senior French military official who said "Mr Arafat is not dead".
"Not technically, anyway."
The Palestinian Authority president's condition was "complex," General Christian Estripeau, spokesman for the French defence forces' medical service, told reporters outside the military hospital tending to Arafat. "The patient's condition needs appropriate treatment which required his being transferred to a unit suited to his pathology on the afternoon of Wednesday November 3," he said. He refused to take questions, but said his statement had been prepared according to the wishes of Arafat's wife, Suha.
"He's been moved to a room that's closer to the morgue."
Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qorei told reporters at his West Bank headquarters in Ramallah that Arafat "is not in a coma".
"Nonsense. Comas are un-Islamic."
"There have been examinations and results are positive," he said without elaborating. "It is wrong. If the president was dead, the whole world would know," Palestinian communications minister Azzam al-Ahmed told AFP. "But it is true that he is a very critical condition," he added, nervously fixing his tie.
I think the boatman has his hand out for the coin.
French medical sources said Arafat's health suddenly and dramatically evaporated deteriorated Wednesday while he was undergoing tests to give the docs more time to figure out how to avoid giving a diagnosis determine the cause of an illness which prompted his medical evacuation to France. A French medical source said an EEG was carried out on Arafat Thursday -- itself "a sign of extreme gravity" -- and that there was no reading of any cerebral activity.
If that's true, it's over. There are very, very few reports of anyone with no cerebral activity on an EEG, intubated in an ICU, coming back to survive to discharge. Keep in mind that lower brain function (e.g., pons, medulla, brain stem) could have activity, but it won't matter.
Arafat was said to have been well enough Wednesday to welcome Bush's winning a second term, and, according to one of his aides, said he hoped for a jumpstart to the moribund Middle East peace process.
Right after which he yelled for his pills.


UPDATE: From Arabic News - Vagueness still overwhelms the fate of the Palestinian President Yasser Arafat who has been in coma, according to the French medical sources which treat him at Percy military hospital in Paris. The sources explained that the state of "Brain death" precedes the death of any person that can be kept alive with the help of medical instrument in the intensive care room. One of the medical team member said that Arafat is in a deep coma of level 4. This means that he is totally unconscious, the halt of any brain activity and spontaneous breathing.
Posted by:Steve White

#44  Remember the bit about the 72 hours after he died, we are still in the cycle if my Israeli sources are correct.
Posted by: Mark Espinola   2004-11-05 10:25:44 PM  

#43  Do we have the GPS coordinates for some Tomahawk "surgery"? We can blame it on the French, saying we gave them one to test. The Arab Street is so stupid, they'd probably believe it. No matter what happens, no matter when he "dies", half the paleos will accuse Israel of killing him.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2004-11-05 10:09:30 PM  

#42  Is he dead yet?
Posted by: tu3031   2004-11-05 9:40:30 PM  

#41  Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker said Thursday that Arafat died in hospital. "[He] passed away 15 minutes ago," Juncker told reporters on arrival at a European Union summit in Brussels when asked what he knew about Arafat's condition.
Posted by: Mark Espinola   2004-11-05 9:35:28 PM  

#40  --“There have been examinations and results are positive,” ---

Translation:

WE FOUND THE BLACK BOOK!!!!!!
Posted by: anonymous2u   2004-11-05 7:59:59 PM  

#39  "Bring out the Zionist Reanimation Machine!"

"Look out! They're gonna turn him into a Golem!"

"Keep your shirt on Charlie... They can't do that. He's not Kosher, for one thing."

"Oh!... Yeah... You're right, I feel much better. Can't think what I was worried about."

"You see... now, maybe a zombie. Anybody got any kettledrums?"
Posted by: Old Grouch   2004-11-05 4:31:35 PM  

#38  Why have we not heard from our Fearless Newz Leader Dan Rather? If Arafat was a frog with side pockets, he would be packing a handgun, or something like that. Just throwing out these ideas for discussion.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2004-11-05 4:01:04 PM  

#37  I'll bet The Mossad is under the hospital bed.
Posted by: Shipman   2004-11-05 3:55:42 PM  

#36  Well, okay. Let me know when he dies.
Posted by: tu3031   2004-11-05 3:51:21 PM  

#35  "'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-ARAFAT!!"

Yeah, I know, I've been beating it into the ground. But it's still very, very relevant to the situation.

Posted by: Sgt. Mom   2004-11-05 3:48:03 PM  

#34  He's not dead yet?
Posted by: tu3031   2004-11-05 3:46:57 PM  

#33  This just in:
The latest statement by hospital spokesman, General Christian Estripeau, gave little away to the growing band of media assembled outside the gates.

"The state of health of the President Yasser Arafat has not deteriorated," he said. "It is considered as stable compared to the last bulletin we issued. Thank you very much."


"He can't get any deader"
Posted by: Steve   2004-11-05 3:27:54 PM  

#32  Is he dead yet?
Posted by: tu3031   2004-11-05 3:10:48 PM  

#31  [span class=SoccerMom]
tu3031, stop pestering me while I'm driving or I'll pull this minivan over and give you such a thrashing! I'm warning you, young man, I'm serious! Don't make me do it!
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Posted by: Mike   2004-11-05 3:03:37 PM  

#30  Is he dead yet?
Posted by: tu3031   2004-11-05 2:04:28 PM  

#29  Remember that poor girl who choked on her own vomit, brain dead, and was on life-support for 11 years?

Which will happen first? 2008 election or the disconnection of Arafat..
Posted by: BigEd   2004-11-05 1:35:20 PM  

#28  Is he dead yet?
Posted by: tu3031   2004-11-05 1:24:47 PM  

#27  "surviving to discharge (a standard measure) is about 1%. Coma, mechanical ventilation"

Damn. I hope Arafat is gone for good. And this comes from someone who WAS in a coma and on mechanical ventilation last year. (I had so many chest xrays, I was my own nightlight for months after I got out)
Posted by: Dave   2004-11-05 1:16:28 PM  

#26  Is he dead yet?
Posted by: tu3031   2004-11-05 1:14:00 PM  

#25  Arafat is just finally completing the corruption he pursued all his life. Neither alive nor dead, this fiendish enity of evil is now simply UNDEAD.
Posted by: Scooter McGruder   2004-11-05 1:09:57 PM  

#24  I can sympathize. Planning a big funeral, a civil war, cutting the pie and a sham election is tall order of business to do in 60 days.
Posted by: Shipman   2004-11-05 12:11:24 PM  

#23  At 12:05 EST,Debka is reporting that he died a few minutes ago.
Posted by: Dakotah   2004-11-05 12:07:31 PM  

#22  Second, under Palestinian law..

Haaahahahahahaaa, that's a good one, Palestinian "law"......hahahaha
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2004-11-05 11:41:13 AM  

#21  
"He's starting to smell, Suha!"

What do you mean "starting"??? ;)
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2004-11-05 11:38:44 AM  

#20  re: rkb. Loks like they got that wall finished just in time.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2004-11-05 10:39:44 AM  

#19  rkb - all out scramble for the $ and power will delay the announcement as well...
Posted by: Frank G   2004-11-05 10:21:34 AM  

#18  There are several factors that will influence when Arafat is declared dead.

First, under Islamic law he must be buried within 24 hours of death. There is a lot of negotiation going on re: where he will be buried.

Second, under Palestinian law an election must be held within 60 days of his death. Since he deliberately scuttled any succession planning, and no election mechanisms, officials or processes are in place, officials will want to hold off announcing his death as long as possible while they form cliques, negotiate with one another behind closed doors and figure out how to run an election.

I suspect there is strong pent-up demand for elections, given that he has postponed them for 8 yrs via declarations of emergency. Add in the Hamas, Hizbollah and PFLP guys ready to launch terror attacks to gain street cred, and it will be very chaotic and dangerous indeed.
Posted by: rkb   2004-11-05 10:14:21 AM  

#17  He is just waiting for that special place in hell to be built just for him.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2004-11-05 9:57:36 AM  

#16  is he done yet?
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2004-11-05 9:47:51 AM  

#15  time for Bob Woodward to do an interview
Posted by: mhw   2004-11-05 9:32:09 AM  

#14  This vigil has gone on so long now, the wax from my candle keeps dripping onto my hand. Anyone here have some ointment?
Posted by: Seafarious   2004-11-05 9:13:50 AM  

#13  Steve, I still don't understand how they can tell he's brain dead. A little lethargic, perhaps. What changed?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2004-11-05 9:07:04 AM  

#12  Arafat was said to have been well enough Wednesday to welcome Bush’s winning a second term...

Proof positive that he's in a coma.
Posted by: tu3031   2004-11-05 8:36:03 AM  

#11  Brain Dead! How can you tell the difference?!?
Posted by: Douglas De Bono   2004-11-05 8:20:04 AM  

#10  "he's not dead, he's only mostly dead"

Seriously, with total lack of brain activity, he's probably formulating the Paleo progress plan...
Posted by: Frank G   2004-11-05 8:19:13 AM  

#9  "Chairman Arafat is not dead! It is, in fact, the doctors that are beginning to commit suicide all around him!" -- a certain former Info Minister
Posted by: eLarson   2004-11-05 8:05:02 AM  

#8  "...Reanimation Machine!"Shouldn't that be deanimation?
Posted by: raptor   2004-11-05 7:27:58 AM  

#7  Overheard in a corridor:
"He's starting to smell, Suha!"

"NO! Not until we've given Dr. Mengele's BrainSuck device a try! I MUST HAVE THOSE CODES!!"
Posted by: mojo   2004-11-05 2:08:55 AM  

#6  Thank you for the analysis Dr. White. Most edifying thing I've read today.
Posted by: Classical_Liberal   2004-11-05 1:58:48 AM  

#5  I think he is about as alive as Franco.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2004-11-05 1:38:30 AM  

#4  BTW, paleo 'constititution' sez they must have an election within 60 days.
Posted by: phil_b   2004-11-05 1:20:42 AM  

#3  Thanks Steve. That means we face the edifying prospect of a paleo election. It looks a lot like a gun battle just with more international observers.
Posted by: phil_b   2004-11-05 12:59:03 AM  

#2  Actually not so good. Intubation and mechanical ventilation could be due to a number of reasons, but most of the ones applicable here aren't conducive to survival beyond a couple weeks at the most. Anytime you're intubated for beyond a couple of days, the risks of complications (infection, barotrauma, etc) increases substantially. Plus other organ systems tend to start shutting down, complicating things even more.

It's possible to be intubated and ventilated for years -- I have patients like that. But not like this situation. If he's not dead already, he's gone soon.
Posted by: Steve White   2004-11-05 12:40:40 AM  

#1  Steve, what are the chances he can stay 'alive' for months in an ICU?
Posted by: phil_b   2004-11-05 12:34:23 AM  

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