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Dutch Cabinet 'declares war' on Islamic extremism
2004-11-05
The Dutch Cabinet has declared war on Islamic extremism, Deputy Prime Minister Gerrit Zalm has announced. He justified the step by calling the murder of filmmaker Theo van Gogh an "attack on the rule of law". Zalm said on Friday that there had been new developments in the world of Islamic extremism in which religious thoughts were being "translated into murder and manslaughter". "This is something that we absolutely cannot tolerate," he said.
Maybe new to you, not not to us. Nice of you to notice though.

The Liberal Party (VVD) minister said the cabinet would therefore expand the Dutch intelligence service AIVD, requiring an increase in funding. Justice Minister Piet Hein Donner and Interior Minister John Remkes will provide further information to the Dutch Parliament next week. The cabinet is also investigating whether existing legislation is sufficient to tackle radical Muslims who commit violent offences. Zalm referred to the investigation by Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk into the possibility of revoking the Dutch passports of violent offenders who hold dual nationality status.
Kicking them out is ok, I prefer just shooting them myself.
Cabinet ministers also discussed on Friday the controversial El Tawheed mosque in Amsterdam, where the suspected killer of Van Gogh, 26-year-old Dutch Moroccan Mohammed B., regularly attended. No decision was taken about the mosque.
May I recomend the D-9 solution?
Furthermore, the government has said it will remain in contact with Muslim organisations in a joint bid to crackdown on extremists. Zalm also expects that these organisations will internally make it clear to members that radical actions are not approved of.
Did you explain to them what happens if they don't?
Amid fear of social tension, Amsterdam police have increased the number of patrols in city streets to watch for signs of any public disorder. Minister Zalm stressed Friday that the Muslim community must not be judged on the actions of a "small radicalising group". Zalm rejected speculation the government had fallen behind in the fight against Islamic extremism, pointing out that many people who had been threatened with death had not been killed. For example, adequate security precautions had been taken when MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali was believed to be at risk.
Known for her outspoken criticism of the Islamic faith, Hirsi Ali co-operated with Van Gogh in the making of the 10-minute film "Submission", which casts an accusing eye on domestic abuse in the Muslim community. Van Gogh was shot and stabbed to death in Amsterdam on Tuesday and it is widely believed that he was murdered in reaction due to the broadcast of the film last August. The killer left a letter at Van Gogh's body with an Islamic religious message, warning that Hirsi Ali was next. But despite the death threat levelled at Hirsi Ali, Zalm said he expects that she will be able to continue her public functions. But he also left the decision up to Hirsi Ali herself as to when the Liberal VVD MP will return to work.
Posted by:Steve

#28  Forgot to credit the link to the translation: http://www.zachtei.nl/ via PeakTalk. Interesting Dutch blog.
Posted by: ed   2004-11-05 10:21:10 PM  

#27  Here is an English translation of the letter stabbed onto Van Gogh's chest: OPEN LETTER TO HIRSHI ALI

Also at PeakTalk.
Posted by: ed   2004-11-05 10:10:23 PM  

#26  Islam doesn't need reform any more than Christianity needed reform during the Inquisition. What Christianity needed back then was for Christians to stand up and run a sword through the lunatics running (and ruining) their religion. Muslims need to do the same now.
Posted by: jaybat   2004-11-05 9:33:50 PM  

#25  Certain varieties of European are very slow to anger, the Dutch among them. However, when they do get up a right royal rage they are very, very dangerous people. I would also note that while Christianity may be on the wane in northern Europe, it is being replaced not by Islam, but by the quaint traditions of their forebears, the Vikings. And worshippers of Odin, Thor, Tyr and Freya do not really embrace the whole "Turn the other cheek" philosophy.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2004-11-05 9:32:29 PM  

#24  Robert> "WTF? I thought Aris vowed never to come back here." No, I don't think I ever vowed anything like that. But your brain is still stuck on the same mindless, counterproductive, wasting-everyone's-bandwidth trolling loop, I see.

Raj> Um, didn't Christianity reform, or did I miss something?

Yeah, about 1700-1900 years after its creation, people started no longer dying for not being good Christians. But even before that time I'd not blame all Christians for the crimes of a few. Would you?
Posted by: Aris Katsaris   2004-11-05 9:28:40 PM  

#23  Hmmmmm... from the crickets chirping, the "others (both Muslims and non-Muslims)" must be taking it back stealthily, huh?

It's a law-enforcement issue, Frank. Twenty years of community-police work, followed by a program of really aggressive citation writing if they continue to misbehave.
Posted by: Pappy   2004-11-05 9:18:42 PM  

#22  The recently deceased Van Gogh's message may have been magnified. But the mesage "Criticize Islam and be slaughtered" has also been heard loud and clear. Don't you think Dutch filmmakers will think long and hard before making another such film?
Posted by: ed   2004-11-05 8:57:30 PM  

#21  WTF? I thought Aris vowed never to come back here.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2004-11-05 8:48:20 PM  

#20  You may be willing to give the Islamofascists guardianship and authority over the whole of Islam, others (both Muslims and non-Muslims) are not so eager

Hmmmmm... from the crickets chirping, the "others (both Muslims and non-Muslims)" must be taking it back stealthily, huh? Islamo-Guerillas For Peace™?
Posted by: Frank G   2004-11-05 7:17:54 PM  

#19  "Van Gogh was shot and stabbed to death in Amsterdam on Tuesday and it is widely believed that he was murdered in reaction due to the broadcast of the film last August."
The extremists are so clueless that they think killing the messenger will kill the message. All they've done is magnify the message. On the other hand, instead of spending their time and money planning murders, they could make their own movie presenting their spin, in an effort to disprove Van Gogh's movie and gain support for their position. Apparently, the extremists are so brainwashed with hate, there's no room in their heads for anything else, like common sense.
Posted by: Shari   2004-11-05 7:03:49 PM  

#18  Um, didn't Christianity reform, or did I miss something?
Posted by: Raj   2004-11-05 7:03:39 PM  

#17  There is no 'islamic extremism', there is only islam.

Bull. That's like saying there was no Spanish Inquisition, there was only Christianity. Or that there existed no Nazis, there existed only Germans. Or that there existed no white slaveowners, there existed only whites.

Minister Zalm stressed Friday that the Muslim community must not be judged on the actions of a 'small radicalising group'." There they go again, in denial to the last

You may be willing to give the Islamofascists guardianship and authority over the whole of Islam, others (both Muslims and non-Muslims) are not so eager.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris   2004-11-05 6:47:42 PM  

#16  But the very wording of the announcement shows that they've got it wrong already. There is no 'islamic extremism', there is only islam.

"Minister Zalm stressed Friday that the Muslim community must not be judged on the actions of a 'small radicalising group'." There they go again, in denial to the last.

"Zalm rejected speculation the government had fallen behind in the fight against Islamic extremism, pointing out that many people who had been threatened with death had not been killed."
So the fact that she hasn't been killed, despite needing round-the-clock armed protection, is judged as success?
Posted by: Ulique Snearong2968   2004-11-05 6:18:13 PM  

#15  Rather typical for mainland Europe - it isn't a problem until it's THEIR problem.
Posted by: jaybat   2004-11-05 6:10:38 PM  

#14  CF - I saw that story - and was stunned by the sheer stupidity. Truly amazing. I suggest that, under the best circumstances and giving them (endless? no...) benefit of the doubt, it might be an indicator of Local vs National... Upstream they appear to be figuring it out. In a given locale, however, it's obvious that the local "authorities" are still PC blind. Time and future events could, indeed, change things for the better. I hold out hope for the Dutch, Danes, Germans, and our UK cousins. They just don't take it all that well when hit - so hits will tell the tale, IMHO.
Posted by: .com   2004-11-05 5:35:08 PM  

#13  or the thre stooges.....
Posted by: Heysenbergwashere   2004-11-05 5:34:59 PM  

#12  Sorry that comment was ment for # 9 CF
Posted by: Heysenbergwashere   2004-11-05 5:33:01 PM  

#11  Let just say that a picture of the key-stone cops would go much better with this article......
Posted by: Heysenbergwashere   2004-11-05 5:32:05 PM  

#10  I am hoping for massive forced deportations.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2004-11-05 5:31:00 PM  

#9  What are they going to do?

Shout Thou Shalt Not Kill at them?
Posted by: CrazyFool   2004-11-05 5:26:38 PM  

#8  Yes...... (I live in Holland) this is goin to be so funny to watch, I would respectfully like to request the VRWC to consider a masive popcorn-airdrop on the my coordinates...........
Posted by: Heysenbergwashere   2004-11-05 5:12:21 PM  

#7  Something tells me that the fact the jihadis hit a Dutchman while he was cycling may have been the last straw. That's like taking out an American while he is barbequeing with friends.
Posted by: Classical_Liberal   2004-11-05 5:12:03 PM  

#6  Better idea. Turn it into a synagogue. For centuries Muslims have been transforming churches and sysnagogues into mosques. Noiw it is payback time.
Posted by: JFM   2004-11-05 5:11:43 PM  

#5  Watch for the name Victor Koppe to surface periodically. He seems to be the lawyer of choice of the Dutch mujahideen. I'd really like to know how he gets paid and by whom.
Posted by: Seafarious   2004-11-05 3:59:23 PM  

#4  Hmmmm. This just might be worth watching. The Dutch are anything but stupid... They mainly suffer from their geography, not their lack of intelligence or stones. Whacking public figures has, indeed, resulted in discussing and acting in ways that are still unthinkable in their neighbors, no? They might just "get it" if the Islamofools don't "get it" first and move elsewhere to ply their murderous trade.
Posted by: .com   2004-11-05 3:57:23 PM  

#3  Or a bathhouse/casino.
Posted by: BH   2004-11-05 3:54:46 PM  

#2  No decision was taken about the mosque.

Turn it into a porno moviehouse.
Posted by: tu3031   2004-11-05 3:49:32 PM  

#1  I'm sure that they'll track down all of their internal Islamofascists and lecture them very sternly. Nothing like a good death squad to prod socialist politicians into action.
Posted by: AzCat   2004-11-05 3:49:00 PM  

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