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| Europeans Face Tough Choices on Islam |
| 2004-11-07 |
| Europe's complex interplay with Islam appears to stand at a tipping-point, and the slaying of a Dutchman who made a movie critical of Islam could indicate one direction in which it is headed. "The Muslims say they're scared," said mourner Nicolette Toering. "No, we're scared." Dutch authorities were investigating whether the chief suspect, a 26-year-old Dutch-Moroccan man detained shortly after the attack, acted alone out of rage or had links to wider extremist networks. |
| Posted by:tipper |
| #17 "Enemies live among us" Another one finally gets it. Even if the Muslim population is 99.9% peaceful, the problem is still huge. |
| Posted by: Darth VAda 2004-11-07 9:35:30 PM |
| #16 Kalle> "that will be the end of the EU and in particular the freedom of movement between countries (aka Schengen rules)." This may be just a nitpick but the Schengen rules is not "aka" the freedom of movement, but rather a superset and expansion of the freedom of movement. Freedom of movement existed before Schengen (no visas required and so forth), what Schengen did is abolish internal border controls. Right now I'm still free to move to UK or Ireland for example, without a visa but *with* a passport, even though UK and Ireland aren't part of Schengen. Schengen didn't even exist a handful of years ago, so even if we returned to a pre-Schengen state, this won't be *that* dramatic a change. It'll only mean spending a few extra minutes at each border (or airport) getting our passports checked. |
| Posted by: Aris Katsaris 2004-11-07 8:42:16 PM |
| #15 "The Muslims say they’re scared," said mourner Nicolette Toering. "No, we’re scared." Don't believe for a second that these bastards are scared of you. This is a ruse to lull you back into inaction. |
| Posted by: BH 2004-11-07 8:34:21 PM |
| #14 Fight or die. There's your choices. |
| Posted by: tu3031 2004-11-07 3:11:47 PM |
| #13 If Moslems launch a systematic terrorist war in Europe, that will be the end of the EU and in particular the freedom of movement between countries (aka Schengen rules). I think this scenario is unavoidable now, as there are too many seething, un-integrated Moslems in the EU to manage. Can't kick them out fast enough. Can't integrate them at all. It's too late. (I plan to get my relatives out over the next few years.) |
| Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) 2004-11-07 12:30:38 PM |
| #12 Elder of Zion, you may be surprised. Since the murder a number of Dutch politicians have come out saying they have gotten death threats. Dots are waiting to be connected and even children can play connect the dots. |
| Posted by: RJ Schwarz 2004-11-07 12:25:02 PM |
| #11 Everyone is equal, but we are more equal than Muslims. What's the over/under on civil war breaking out in "enlightened" western Europe? |
| Posted by: AzCat 2004-11-07 12:12:05 PM |
| #10 "The Muslims say they’re scared" as in "I'm afraid I'm going to have to kill you" |
| Posted by: PlanetDan 2004-11-07 10:25:48 AM |
| #9 To All Rantburgers, I'll eat my hat if the stupid Europeans will do anything about the Van Gogh murder. They are experts in beautiful words and denials. They will truely wake up only when its too late. They will never understand that when the Islamics say they are Dhimmi, they really mean it. I predict a lot of beheadings in Europe within the next few years and a lot of train bombings, and other favorite traditional islamic activities. After all, it is European money that kept Arab terrorist training camps, hate-mongering mosques and propaganda factories well financed. So you can say the Europeans are getting what they payed for. Who said there is no Poetic Justice ???? |
| Posted by: Elder of Zion 2004-11-07 10:15:49 AM |
| #8 #4 V is for Victory: Exactly! |
| Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2004-11-07 9:25:52 AM |
| #7 Then have Oriana Fallaci interviewed. Then Bat Ye'or. Maybe it's not too late. Maybe *some* women will speak out against the Religion of Slavery and Murder. |
| Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) 2004-11-07 9:24:55 AM |
| #6 Hirsi Ali needs to be on American TV saying the things she says so well about Islam. Fox news should be first. |
| Posted by: mhw 2004-11-07 8:21:37 AM |
| #5 "Right now the West sees all Islam as a kind of monolith and wipes away all nuances," If only Kerry had been elected, this problem would have been right up his alley. |
| Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2004-11-07 7:06:25 AM |
| #4 The tipping point -- beteen political correctness and the survival instinct. |
| Posted by: V is for Victory 2004-11-07 7:01:48 AM |
| #3 Tolerant? That is just what you tell us non muslims. Those assclowns that killed Van Gogh will kill you too. Your most holy teaching tells them, to kill anyone they think is apostate. So you don't give tham any excuses, you cover for them and lie about your religion. We are done being your suckers. I am not intolerant I am anti-suicidal. |
| Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-11-07 4:58:20 AM |
| #2 Europeans Face Tough Choices on Islam WHAT CHOICES? |
| Posted by: Zenster 2004-11-07 3:32:20 AM |
| #1 "Tough choice": do we bend over quietly? or do we bend over under protest? |
| Posted by: Anonymous6092 2004-11-07 2:56:01 AM |