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| San Francisco in No Mood for Tolerance After Bush Win |
| 2004-11-08 |
| These people just don't know what to do... The summer of love has given way to the autumn of fear in San Francisco, a liberal stronghold where residents bitterly disappointed by the Bush victory are in no mood to reach out and mend divisions. Their new motto: "Tolerance: On OUR Terms." Rather, they are waving "United States of Canada" maps, redrawn to show Canada extending down to include California, New England and the other so-called "blue states" that voted decisively for Massachusetts Democratic Sen. John Kerry in the U.S. presidential race. Some are canceling plans to travel to neighboring "red states," where Bush drew most of his support. They are asking serious questions about the future of American democracy. And the usual post-election bravado about moving out of the country when a favored candidate loses is sounding different this year. It sounds a lot more serious. So what's stopping them? The airport's right over there. Flight's leaving hourly. Trains, planes, automobiles. Canada's not going anywhere. "I'm going in on Monday and getting a new passport," said an electronics technician and volunteer at the Green Festival environmental conference who requested anonymity. "I'm not leaving yet, but I'm getting prepared," he said. "I can imagine that this country is going to get a lot worse before it gets better." He's getting prepared. Probably requested anonymity so Karl Rove's Thought Police don't round him up and take him to one of "The Camps". |
| Posted by:tu3031 |
| #34 Well, this just goes to show that all these people think about is themselves. There is no love of country here. They are not going to stick it out and work for a change. If the country will not bend to their model the hell with it because they are out of here. All I can say is if things had worked out differently I was not going to go anywhere. I would have stayed right here and fought like hell to change things at the next election. Oh well, I hope they enjoy the weather up there in Canada. They do know how much colder it gets up there don't they? Matt |
| Posted by: Crerert Ebbeting3481 2004-11-08 3:04:32 PM |
| #33 Ummm... try Born Free instead? |
| Posted by: Dave D. 2004-11-08 8:08:53 PM |
| #32 Aye; I find it very difficult talking about current events with people whose only source of news is the tube or dead-tree publications. Most of the time, they don't even know what you're talking about. |
| Posted by: Dave D. 2004-11-08 8:06:46 PM |
| #31 Someone please help me: ever since last Tuesday I've had the theme from "Patton" running through my head and it just won't stop. |
| Posted by: Matt 2004-11-08 8:06:38 PM |
| #30 Having a state of the world conversation with a couple of knee-jerk anti-Bushites in the pub tonight; neither had heard anything about the van Gogh murder. The media remains very influential in terms of what it does, and does not, choose to cover. |
| Posted by: Bulldog 2004-11-08 7:59:53 PM |
| #29 Dave, there are a lot of folks like your Bro. Need to be the compasssionate conservative. Some are in my family too. There is a kind of naivete that ignores that the jihadists are dedicated to killing us. This is a war of survival for the West. |
| Posted by: John Q. Citizen 2004-11-08 7:46:41 PM |
| #28 It would also help if he'd stop getting all his news from CBS. He's one of those who sit and watch Dan Rather for 30 minutes a day and thinks he knows everything that's going on in the world. |
| Posted by: Dave D. 2004-11-08 7:41:54 PM |
| #27 Dave, there is always conflict resolution, anger management, and sensitivity training for your Bro. |
| Posted by: John Q. Citizen 2004-11-08 7:37:42 PM |
| #26 "Dave D., Your brother's side lost. No need to get upset at him..." Heh... no worry there, DPA: I'm a compassionate conservative. The real problem is, Bro is a REAL sore loser and doesn't have the world's best impulse control. I'll just have to keep a close eye on him, alert for early warning signs; when he's ready to explode, his face always turns beet red. "Projecting is a liberal disease." Other disease symptoms I've noticed:
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| Posted by: Dave D. 2004-11-08 7:32:55 PM |
| #25 "Why should we believe we will ever have another fair election in this country?" What a terrible, terrible thing when a majority of the population "steals" an election . . . 8-P |
| Posted by: gp 2004-11-08 7:20:18 PM |
| #24 What are these idiots waiting for? Get out, already. Please please please leave so coastal real estate can become affordable again. And maybe the exodus will finally persuade Washington to get serious about relaxing immigration restrictions for anyone with a hard science PhD. Lose the idiots, bring in the strivers. |
| Posted by: lex 2004-11-08 7:05:56 PM |
| #23 Just about every county in the U.S. of A. was red. Only a few blue areas even in CA. I have trouble not walking around with a big shit-eating grin and gloating. I'll have to remember to be humble in a damn good win--er ah some other time. I'm having too much fun! |
| Posted by: John Q. Citizen 2004-11-08 6:54:54 PM |
| #22 Don, You NAILED it. Projecting is a liberal disease. The call us nazis and thought Bush would cancel elections because they know if they had the power that is EXACTLY what they would do. |
| Posted by: Damn_Proud_American 2004-11-08 6:40:13 PM |
| #21 Dave D., Your brother's side lost. No need to get upset at him... now that liberal views aren't a threat (at least for 4 more years) we can all just laugh at them the way god intended ;) |
| Posted by: Damn_Proud_American 2004-11-08 6:38:12 PM |
| #20 I live in the Bay Area and just laugh at these people. They so do not get it. |
| Posted by: remote man 2004-11-08 6:09:05 PM |
| #19 We need to take this opportunity to suggest that the leftists look into federalism. If they would join the effort to reduce the powers of central government (so they focus on their own state's interventionism) we'd all be better off. Maybe they'll stop trying to impose their views on the rest of the country. |
| Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) 2004-11-08 5:45:32 PM |
| #18 Amen, CS |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-11-08 4:36:30 PM |
| #17 I live in Red California and I think I speak for the other Red counties when I say: "SO LONG SUCKERS!" |
| Posted by: Cyber Sarge 2004-11-08 4:29:15 PM |
| #16 As I posted before the election, these people only believe in democracy as in The Peoples Democratic Republic. Name with no substance, just the exercise of power. They're panicing because for decades they've strip the states of their powers and differences and installed a strong overbearing central government out of DC. Now that the power has shifted, they're discovering that was not a good idea because they're projecting what they'd do to us with the power expecting us now to do to them. |
| Posted by: Don 2004-11-08 4:12:03 PM |
| #15 It's Reuters so a large bit of salt with their opinion. They would only be to happy to stress division as wider than they are. That said San Fran has some pretty tiny minority of folk this wacked out someplace just because they have lots of wacked out people. |
| Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-11-08 3:51:47 PM |
| #14 That's too bad. I was hoping for Jonestown redux. |
| Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2004-11-08 3:28:18 PM |
| #13 Like most things in the newspaper, this is exaggerated. I am a San Franciscan, working downtown, and I haven't seen any depression or public wailing, and the private sort has been more along the lines of the disappointment about the Niners season. |
| Posted by: buwaya 2004-11-08 3:22:39 PM |
| #12 I dunno. I'm enjoying this like Matt and others, but Thanksgiving is coming up-- and I'm invited to my brother's place. He and his wife are matching LLL versions of Archie Bunker: ignorant as a bag of wood chips, and opinionated as Hell. Bro's favorite conversational gambit is to make some outrageous comment on one of his bugaboos (like John "Ashkkkroft") and then say, "but let's not argue about politics, OK?" He pulls that crap again, I'm gonna end up having Thanksgiving dinner at a rest stop on the Pennsylvania Turnpike. |
| Posted by: Dave D. 2004-11-08 3:20:03 PM |
| #11 R.C The same party which is supposed to be the most racist. (FYI for those who may not know... - The Republicans were for the Civil Rights Act of the 60's - Democrats were mostly against, and most KKK members were (guess....) Southern Democrats... Lincoln (who signed the Emancipation(sp?) Proclamation and freed all the Southern slaves) was a Republician). |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2004-11-08 3:13:50 PM |
| #10 These guys only lost by 3%. If they are going this overboard about it, they must not have much confidence that they can ever get that elusive 4% of voters to vote for them ever again. |
| Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2004-11-08 3:07:53 PM |
| #9 The ideologies of the two parties are too different. I don’t see how healing can take place. What this guy's saying is that he absolutely refuses to compromise with anyone. Which party was supposed to be the intolerant one? I keep getting confused. |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2004-11-08 3:05:07 PM |
| #8 Somebody tell Genius-boy that you don't need a passport to go to Canada. Or Costa Rica, for that matter. |
| Posted by: mojo 2004-11-08 2:58:19 PM |
| #7 Well now. Doesn’t this guy sound like Mr. Total Asshole? The story did say he works in Public Relations. |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2004-11-08 2:50:35 PM |
| #6 Ditto Matt; I've lived around the morons for years. Their tears are like sweet, sweet wine to me. |
| Posted by: Secret Master 2004-11-08 2:43:45 PM |
| #5 To hell with Canada! Point them SouthEast and give them Water Wings (left side only)! I bet Castro can give them a nice big group hug. |
| Posted by: 98zulu 2004-11-08 2:42:28 PM |
| #4 I am so enjoying this. |
| Posted by: Matt 2004-11-08 2:27:46 PM |
| #3 I bet Ron Schmidt's relatives are very relieved to hear that they will not have to listen to his Hate speech against Bush anymore. |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2004-11-08 2:12:00 PM |
| #2 My very-blue-state mother-in-law, an NYT and Michael Moore fan, was over this weekend. She told me that I need to act more purple-state than red-state. She didn't offer to change herself, of course. I told her that I was feeling very red, in fact Texan red. Not another word on politics was spoken. You know what? These people are too full of themselves to even admit they are a minority. They lost, so we're supposed to come half way to their side. If that isn't a bunch of ultra-liberal, U.N., Chirac crap I don't know what is. Give 'em passports quick, before they change their minds. |
| Posted by: Tom 2004-11-08 2:10:42 PM |
| #1 Heh. I live in the Bay Area and less than 10 minutes after I left my home the morning after the election I overheard a group of people (who were glancing around nervously as if they expected Karl Rove and John Ashcroft to jump out from behind a hedge and drag them away) discussing in hushed tones their horror at the election results and the fact that they were all moving to Canada. I gave them a few of my business cards and told them to call if they needed help finding a good immigration lawyer. |
| Posted by: AzCat 2004-11-08 2:03:09 PM |