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International-UN-NGOs
Reforming the United Nations
2004-11-20
Amir Taheri
"The United Nations is passing through the gravest crisis of its existence!" This is how UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan has been describing the situation of the controversial organization in the past two years.
And much of it is due to Kofi, personally...
... though I think it began with U Thant ...
Last year's divisions over the liberation of Iraq and the scandal over UN involvement in the oil-for-food racket in partnership with Saddam Hussein, are only part of the crisis. Annan, now in his second and final term as secretary-general, may well have been speaking only for the record. And there is no indication that he has any new ideas with regard to dealing with the crisis.
There's no indication he has any new ideas at all...
... the old ones working so well of course ...
Nevertheless, there is growing consensus that the UN, unless subjected to through reform, is unlikely to recover its former status as an instrument of international will. Reforming the UN is high on the agenda of the forthcoming G-8 summit of major industrial powers, due to beheld in Britain next May.
The G-8 would form an acceptable core for the UN's successor organization, assuming one is needed...
'cept it includes the French ...
Two reform projects are expected to be debated at the summit in the hope that a compromise would be reached. One set of proposals could be described as "minimalist". It consists of relatively modest proposals for change, especially in the composition of the Security Council. Both Japan and Germany support the "minimalist" project that envisages their becoming permanent members of the council with veto powers.
If there's an equivalent to the Security Council in a successor organization, I'd suggest doing away with the veto power entirely and making it a majority vote.
Japan is the second major contributor to the UN budget, after the United States. Germany is the third contributor. Together the three nations account for almost two-thirds of the UN budget. As constituted at present, the Security Council is lopsided. Of its five veto-holding members three, Britain, France and Russia are European powers. Asia is represented by a single power: China. The whole of the American continent has the US as its representative. As for Africa and Australia, neither has a veto-holding member. To make matters more complicated, the rotating members of the Security Council always include two other European states. This means that Europe, which accounts for just 10 percent of the world's population, always has a quarter of the Security Council seats, including three veto-holding powers.
Looking at productivity rather than population, however, gives a different picture entirely...
Adding a veto-holding Germany to this mix will be a further extension of Europe's influence in the council. One alternative is to take away the veto from both Britain and France and allow the European Union to have a permanent veto-wielding seat on the Security Council. France and Britain, however, oppose such a move, for different reasons. France sees its veto in the Security Council as its last claim to relevance the position of a major power. Losing it would apropriately reduce France to the level of a medium-size power in a corner of Europe.
"Lump us with the Hungarians and the Poles? What an insult! We'll leave if... ummm... "
Britain's reasons for opposing the idea of a single EU seat are rooted in fears of a pan-European superstate swallowing the remaining vestiges of British national sovereignty...
A fear that is completely appropriate, judging by Chirac's remarks lately ...
More at the link...
Posted by:Fred

#22  The UN can't be reformed, only replaced. The essential absurdity here is that the vast majority of the "world community's" member states are kleptocratic, incompetent non-governments. The UN fetishizes national sovereignty, thus giving free reign to these basket states to terrorize their own citizens.

The solution is to recognize that there is no "world community" and set about creating regionally-focused security entities, each with the US and the region's democratic powers at its core.
Posted by: lex   2004-11-20 8:05:46 PM  

#21  Perhaps a rule stating that the UN representative must be elected or appointed by an elected (honest multi-party elections) body would be helpful. Something to keep out the kleptocracies and the communists and fascists.

Perhaps just eliminating the UN and replacing it with nothing would be the answer.
Posted by: jackal   2004-11-20 7:49:57 PM  

#20  Logically, the members of the UNSC should be composed of USA, Russia, China, India, Japan, EU, Africa (bloc) and SA (bloc). The VOTING members should only be those powers that are both economically and militarily powerful *and* who are willing to regularly use those forces for UNSC mandated missions. The UNSC should have a parallel and separate council composed solely of nuclear powers. This UNNSC should have voting members who admit they have nukes, are in full compliance with the IAEA, and are full members of the non-proliferation treaties and regime.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2004-11-20 3:31:00 PM  

#19  Hell Yes Frank! My heart feels like an Aligator! I'm ready to deal with lazy lizasrds from Alachus way. Give me room!@

Dragon fly! You caner run but lizasrds slow down after a kilometre Im see ya!
Posted by: Shipman   2004-11-20 2:38:19 PM  

#18  Task: Reform UN.

Tools required:
1. 1 gallon unleaded gasoline.
2. 1 book of matches.

Instructions:
Attempt only when UN is in full session.
Posted by: JerseyMike   2004-11-20 1:56:32 PM  

#17  Ima think Shipman feeln better
Posted by: Frank G   2004-11-20 1:23:20 PM  

#16  Reforming the United Nations

A few JDAMs would reform it properly.
Posted by: AzCat   2004-11-20 12:39:28 PM  

#15  Whoa, hold on there Phil - I don't know WTF Ship is talking about either, lol! This is the norm as he seems to go into a sort of cryptic-mucky mode frequently. I surrender, heh.

I speaka the Engrish.
Posted by: .com   2004-11-20 12:29:35 PM  

#14  I can't figure out what language .com and Shipman are speaking to each other on this thread. Could someone clue me in?
Posted by: Phil Fraering   2004-11-20 12:23:45 PM  

#13  Dang! Wronger thread for a Triumpiast Blaster.
Posted by: Shipman   2004-11-20 12:07:30 PM  

#12  I don't care what they look like, what kinda hats they got, what kinda soil they live on, what manner of gods they may be beholding too, as long has they are born American (and they'll know it) we need to take 'em, or make room for them. Yes even unto Aris.
Posted by: Shipman   2004-11-20 12:06:04 PM  

#11  All this representation and veto stuff in the UN gives me a big case of the Yawns. I do not care how the furniture is arranged, the fundamental issue is sovereignty, and a Security Council's stamp does not make their actions any more legitimate. I am much more in favor of bilateral agreements. Look at the best environmental action the UN has come up with: Kyoto, basically a shell game. In the big picture, the UN is irrelavant.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2004-11-20 11:52:43 AM  

#10  And Mrs D is onto another powerful indicator, too. Talk funny? Hit the road, Jack. Speak American or Ninja or dos Cokas con mucho hielo, por favor. If you haven't heard it in a Quentin Tarentino movie, forget it. Buzz off. No veto for you buddy.

We've been over this ground a coupla hunnert thousand times, at least. Let's meme it.
Posted by: .com   2004-11-20 11:52:13 AM  

#9  You're right, again, .com. EG should be added to any post regarding the U. N.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2004-11-20 11:51:18 AM  

#8  Start with hats. Funny hats. Turbans, brimless hats, Sikh stacks, Yassir maps, beware the Red Fez of Qazi. Weird people, crazy people, people with secrets, people with something to hide, wear hats. Funny hats = trouble. EG has a nice peaked cap, but the grandiosified epaulets give him away. Bad man. Hey, Bonnie Prince Charles got in trouble just the other day. Wore a funny hat. Q.E.D.

Other people can be bad, too, but those hat people - wooooooo. Watch out. No perm vetos for hat people.
;-)
Posted by: .com   2004-11-20 11:44:54 AM  

#7  And if the predominant language is French?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2004-11-20 11:39:29 AM  

#6  Yeah, but the other part of my proposal is not to allow any nation with an information minister or a minister of religious affairs, or a head of state who wears epaulets to join.
Posted by: Fred   2004-11-20 11:34:04 AM  

#5  Justrand has no understanding of the uses of nuance. /JM mode

So why don't the French Act! Like a cheerLeaders? Go into the Principals (y0ur pals) office and fight off the Commie_Fascist block from East Head High? What's the bonus? Bacon! We will own the so called nation of Canada.
Posted by: Shipman   2004-11-20 11:32:28 AM  

#4  I, for one, prefer an ineffective contemptible UN to an effective powerful one. Especially if we lose our veto, as Fred proposes, and have to live with the decisions made by third world dictators being paid off by French demagogues.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2004-11-20 11:30:45 AM  

#3  but Mike Sylwester assures us it works exactly as designed, just fine
Posted by: Frank G   2004-11-20 11:17:03 AM  

#2  How about just eliminating it? What would be different? As it stands now, the organization's primary purpose is to facilitate a transfer of wealth from the developed countries to the undeveloped ones. It has become polticized to the point of self-parody. The only way to effect change anywhere in the world is through the intervention of the US and whatever nations choose to ally themselves with her. UN actions without US forces result in, at best, incompetence and, at worst, chaos and genocide. The main function of the UN now is to provide France a platform on which to preen. The US could be just effective without the fig leaf of the UN.
Posted by: RWV   2004-11-20 11:06:32 AM  

#1  The U.N. has as much relevance as the Student Council at your local High School. When the President of the Student Council has finally had ENOUGH, and takes the unanimous DEMANDS of the Student Council into the Principal's Office he (or she) is routinely greeted with: "Aren't you supposed to be in your Chemistry class now?"
Posted by: Justrand   2004-11-20 10:58:23 AM  

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