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| SUNNI INSURGENTS RELAY FEARS OF DEFEAT IN IRAQ |
| 2004-11-27 |
| Sunni insurgents have expressed concern over the prospect of a defeat by the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq. Islamic sources said that for the first time in more than a year the Tawhid and Jihad group led by Abu Mussib Al Zarqawi appears to have lost control over many of its insurgents in the Sunni Triangle. The sources said Iraqi and U.S. assaults on major insurgency strongholds in such cities as Baghdad, Faluja, Mosul, Ramadi and Samara have resulted in heavy insurgency casualties and a break in the command and control structure. Over the last few days, Al Zarqawi supporters have appealed for help from Al Qaida and related groups. The sources said Al Qaida's allies, including the Salafist Brigade for Combat and Call, have sought to increase recruitment of Muslim volunteers to fight the coalition. The Internet has also reflected the growing concern that Islamic insurgents would be routed in Iraq. A message posted on an Islamic website appealed for help from Islamic insurgents in Afghanistan, Chechnya, Pakistan and the Palestinian Authority. |
| Posted by:Fred |
| #5 On Okinawa, fanatical fighting until the end, then thousands gave up and disobeyed their officers Yep, not what you would call wholesale surrender, but more IJA forces surrendered at Okinawa than in the rest of the theatre put together. I've always been curious about why, the size of the island? the training level? Morale? Who knows. I'd really like to see a study on this. I've a feeling the final assault on the plains would be bad, but not near has bad has feared. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-11-27 3:23:03 PM |
| #4 This is a similar thing that my dad saw in the Pacific fighting the Japanese. On Guadalcanal and Cape Gloucester, hardly any prisoners. On Peleliu, virtually no prisoners, except the ones holed up in the caves surrendered after the officers burned their colors and they were on their own. On Okinawa, fanatical fighting until the end, then thousands gave up and disobeyed their officers. The Japanese needed to be beat down until they had enough and quit on their own. Coalition forces need to keep hammering the Sunni insurgency until the average Joe sees the handwriting on the wall in size 64 type and quits. |
| Posted by: Alaska Paul 2004-11-27 2:05:24 PM |
| #3 The sources said Al Qaida's allies, including the Salafist Brigade for Combat and Call, have sought to increase recruitment of Muslim volunteers to fight the coalition. All the more reason to pulverize the enemy thoroughly in every single battle. The news that Zarqawi's thugs and allies rarely survive in one piece will get out, which should have the intended effect on potential recruits. |
| Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2004-11-27 1:57:56 PM |
| #2 "When the people see a strong horse and a weak horse, naturally they will favor the strong horse." |
| Posted by: ObL 2004-11-27 1:21:31 PM |
| #1 I remember of a post I saw in a Pashtoun group: the author (BTW, he was one of the nice guys, ie anti-taliban and pro-democracy) was angry against the Mullahs who had sent thousands of poor guys to be mown down by daisy cutters. He said something along the lines "what use is to put yourself in front of an angry bull". And now, Zarkawi is unwillingky sending them a depairing message: going to Iraq doesn't mean going to fight infidels but going to be killed by indidels. Jihadis are many but there isn't an unlimited supply of them. Jihadis are fanatic but at one point they realise that continuing to throw themselves against the American forces means that at one point there will be no more Jihadis. And kaffirs win. the nice thing is that it is Zarkawi who is sapping jihadist morale ("hundreds of thousands dead"). |
| Posted by: JFM 2004-11-27 9:45:25 AM |