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Muslims must integrate, says German conservative leader
2004-12-07
Turkey must be barred from joining the European Union due to its "culture" and Muslims in Germany have to make far bigger efforts to integrate, Bavarian Premier Edmund Stoiber told opposition conservatives on Tuesday. "An out-of-Europe nation like Turkey with its different history and diffent cultural traditions will not fit into Europe," said Stoiber in a speech to a Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party congress. Stoiber, who was narrowly defeated by Social Democratic Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder in Germany's 2002 general election, said he backed a rejectionist stance to Turkish EU membership outlined by CDU chief Angela on Monday. Highlighting of Turkey by both leaders indicates the CDU/CSU sees a "nein" to Ankara's EU membership as a sure vote winner in the next election in 2006 in which Merkel expected to be Schroeder's challenger.

Stoiber said Turkey and the 25 EU member states were divided by a host of issues including economy, geography and finances but "above all by cultural differences". Taking in Turkey would reduce the EU to a mere free trade zone and put too much strain on the Union's joint institutions, said Stoiber. EU leaders are due to decide on whether to begin membership negotiations with Turkey at a 16 to 17 December summit in Brussels. Even if a green light is given, accession talks are expected to last up to 15 years.
With breaks for lunch.
Stoiber also had blunt words for the estimated 3.4 million Moslems living in Germany of whom ethnic Turks comprise about 2.5 million. "Our nation demands from immigrants the will to integrate," he said, adding that the chief problem today was a lack of will by the second and third generation born in German to do this. Those living in Germany have to learn the language, accept German values and send their children to German schools, he said. There was no space in Germany for "preachers of hate" or the oppression of women, Stoiber said. "To those who do not want to accept this, all we can say is 'you picked the wrong country'," he said to applause.
Works for me.
Stoiber insisted German patriotism was not aimed at foreigners but rather at getting all those who lived in the country to accept Germany's rule of law and democracy. On other issues, Stoiber slammed Schroeder for Germany's weak economy and said the CDU/CSU needed to take power in 2006 to push through big state spending cuts and other reforms to cut unemployment which is over 10 percent and rising. He also called for scrapping a Schroeder government ban on nuclear power stations under which all such plants - currently producing 30 percent of German electricity - will be phased out in the next two decades.
TGA, how is this playing in Germany?
Posted by:Steve

#11  I did attend the congress. And yes I agree.
Nobody will force Turks to eat bratwurst. The key problem is the language. Children only speak Turkish at home and with their friends. Many Turks can't read three sentences of German fluently at High School.
This is not xenophobia, this is common sense. We can't allow imams trained in Saudi Arabia flown into Germany teaching Muslim kids to hate kufr Germany. We don't want parts of our cities to become extraterritorial like some Parisian banlieu slum.
Quite a few Turks agree with that assessment btw.
Posted by: True German Ally   2004-12-07 11:53:21 PM  

#10  ahhhh the Propane Sage of Arlin, TX™?
Posted by: Frank G   2004-12-07 8:11:32 PM  

#9  Hank don't you think in the interests of full disclosure you should mention that you are in direct competition with these fellas in the Home Heating Industry?
Posted by: Shipman   2004-12-07 7:52:58 PM  

#8  I'd have a little more sympathy for these f'ers had they seen a little clearer two years ago. They's goin to be more and more Europeen eyes opened as time goes by. These curvy knifed folks don't assimilate well.
Posted by: Hank   2004-12-07 6:18:25 PM  

#7  Trainling wife, I agree completely! In any culture (and obviously including our own) those who choose to participate and assimilate are not the problem. And assimilation doesn't have to include any loss of the original culture...just a willingness to work within the new one, including language and laws.

The Turks have been staunch allies for some time. But blocking us access to Northern Iraq at the start of the invasion is still troubling.
Posted by: Justrand   2004-12-07 3:44:56 PM  

#6  Many of the Turks in Germany are second and even third generation. They don't speak Turkish, and they resent their reality as second class citizens. Its the alQaeda types who come for the free university and space to plot to establish the Caliphate who are more of a concern.
Posted by: trailing wife   2004-12-07 3:11:49 PM  

#5  10 years ago I might have scoffed at his xenophobia...now I know it's well-founded!

And though much of this is at Turkey's expense, I'm less Turk friendly since they blocked the Northern route to Iraq (which we are STILL paying for!)

Good luck Deutschland!
Posted by: Justrand   2004-12-07 2:50:54 PM  

#4  "Our nation demands from immigrants the will to integrate"

"Ve haf vays to make you intergrate"
Posted by: Steve   2004-12-07 2:20:36 PM  

#3  haha serves you right, good luck with that Fritz. I'm sure in a generation you'll be able to tell us that sharia isn't all bad.
Posted by: JerseyMike   2004-12-07 1:56:05 PM  

#2  Sheesh. What part of "We are Muslims First, Last, and Always" is unclear?

No gov't (and I mean none) seems to "get it" yet - or, at least, not publicly anyway. Sigh.
Posted by: .com   2004-12-07 1:30:58 PM  

#1  Turkey must be barred from joining the European Union due to its "culture" and Muslims in Germany have to make far bigger efforts to integrate, Bavarian Premier Edmund Stoiber told opposition conservatives on Tuesday.

Out in the open now, is it?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2004-12-07 1:27:06 PM  

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