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Europe
France wants 'a new relationship' with US
2005-01-11
French Foreign Minister Michel Barnier called on Monday for a "new relationship" with the United States but warned that a better alliance did not mean allegiance. Barnier, in an interview published in the International Herald Tribune, said he hoped to visit the United States "every three to four months" to meet with administration officials, members of Congress and others. "We need more political dialogue - we need to talk more," Barnier said.
Diplospeak for "you need to listen to us more."
US officials correctly accuse France of blocking their bid to obtain full UN backing for the US-led occupation of Iraq, a campaign which Paris opposed.

Barnier said it was a "mistake, an error of analysis" for the Bush administration to try to divide the Continent into an "Old Europe," principally France and Germany, and a new, more pro-American Europe including countries like Poland. Stressing that the European bloc would continue to grow "whether it is pleasing or not," Barnier said Washington should recognise that "the countries joining the European Union will progressively and inevitably have a European reflex. Americans must understand that it is in their interest that Europe get organised and have an autonomy. It's the price to pay for an effective alliance. The alliance between Europeans and Americans must be balanced."
Sure, no probs, and why don't you try defending yourselves?
Posted by:Fred

#31  hey silentbrick if your siblings are like you. i will love to screw your doughter or wife they must be horny like hell
Posted by: screw the brick   2005-01-11 12:25:27 AM  

#30  The US policy towards France should be the same as the policy towards North Korea, malign neglect. Although, the Duke of Exeter said it better in Henry V: "Scorn and defiance; slight regard, contempt,
And any thing that may not misbecome
The mighty sender, doth he prize you at."
Posted by: RWV   2005-01-11 10:24:25 PM  

#29  Steve from Relto

I don't even HAVE Myst 4 yet. Why did you spoil it for me?
Posted by: Korora   2005-01-11 7:58:55 PM  

#28  Short Answer: No!
Long Answer: No! Phuque Phrawnse!
Posted by: AJackson   2005-01-11 7:52:14 PM  

#27  Perhaps I'm missing it Tony. Why would allowing Britain, Italy, Poland, Bulgaria, et al into NAFTA cause Blair problems?
Posted by: Frank G   2005-01-11 7:18:47 PM  

#26  Lots of talk and inference of European 'inevitability'. Nothing is inevitable - try this one on for size. President Bush formally declares that as a recognition of the coalition of the willing, he says that each country who sent troops to Iraq can join NAFTA (perhaps in an affiliate way initially).

If he says that now, before our election comes along (probably going to be in May), Blair will shit himself (good). The UK Independence Party will have a field day and the Conservatives might be able to rally themselves too. The Europhiles will go apopleptic of course. The 'New Europe' will have access to even bigger markets than they were promised on EU entry (with a lot less regulation) As for what 'Old Europe' will think - who cares?

Not going to happen of course, GW wouldn't do that to Blair - but it does show what kind of weapons are at his disposal (and that's without the HAARP and Roswell stuff!).
Posted by: Tony (UK)   2005-01-11 6:56:57 PM  

#25  Is this "one milk shake, two straws" material?
Posted by: Captain America   2005-01-11 6:43:26 PM  

#24  France comes from the Roman approach to law: revolution as opposed to evolution. That is, as in their political history, clear the ground and start over with a new, complete system. The U.S. comes from the English evolutionary tradition: even drastic change (the ending of slavery, giving women the vote) builds on what has gone before. We simply don't do 'new relationships' -- and the French will never be able to grasp that.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-01-11 1:54:10 PM  

#23  Is the DeGaulle on its way to the Indian Ocean yet? Do we have adequate search and rescue assets tracking its progress?
Posted by: Matt   2005-01-11 1:18:27 PM  

#22  A spoiled relationship is like spoiled milk. It isn't gonna get any better and it only will stink up your refridgerator. Or something.

Posted by: spiffo   2005-01-11 12:04:12 PM  

#21  I wonder, will ChIraq be like Achenar who wakes up and smells the blood or Sirrus who never does?
Posted by: Steve from Relto   2005-01-11 12:01:35 PM  

#20  Condi should let him sit out in the lobby until hell freezes over. He can lecture the receptionist until closing time.
Posted by: Tom   2005-01-11 11:49:38 AM  

#19  ChIraq want New Europe to kiss France's spotty behind, and thinks it's inevitable that they will succeed in peeling the emerging East Europe democracies away from US influence. He's telling us "this is how it's gonna be, so bend over and like it." Typical French potty mouth. Mr ChIraq, meet Ms Condi Rice, she'll be your new Governess. You'll address her as "Sir" and speak only when spoken to. Now, go to your crate.
Posted by: Rex Mundi   2005-01-11 11:41:01 AM  

#18  Once again, The Jaquer tries to outsmart Batman.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2005-01-11 11:39:03 AM  

#17  Don't let 'im kiss ya, Condi! You don't know where those lips have been...
Posted by: mojo   2005-01-11 11:26:02 AM  

#16  he hoped to visit the United States “every three to four months” to meet with administration officials, members of Congress and others.

He better be bringing pizza or Chinese takeout if he comes over that often. Hell, I don't think the Brits and Aussies come over that often, and they're our allies.
Posted by: Desert Blondie   2005-01-11 11:05:12 AM  

#15  Europe needs to work out it's own problems with crushing socialism and Islamist threats. They can blame the US all they want to, but to what end? What will that accomplish? The US has simply begun to look West, instead of East for their trade. It's a new century. The world turns on.
Posted by: 2b   2005-01-11 10:14:40 AM  

#14  â€œAmericans must understand that it is in their interest that Europe get organised and have an autonomy..."

It's never been about American opposition to a unified Europe. Focus, please.

Several of these kinds of statements that have come from France post-Iraq have been quite provocative in both tone and language. Can anyone imagine France delivering such a "diplomatic message" to any other country they have relations with? Of course not.

France has yet to take a good introspective look at its actions and words visavis the US and recognize they themselves have to contribute something useful. They apparently haven't figured out that it might be worthwhile (and a much better indicator of their "respect" for an ally) to use language that fosters healing, not language that reopens rifts.
Posted by: Jules 187   2005-01-11 10:01:28 AM  

#13  RC - I suppose it's possible for them to "be on your side" when they are "not behind you".
Posted by: 2b   2005-01-11 9:43:11 AM  

#12  What exactly what does France have to balance with? Nothing? Yes, thats right, nothing.

Au contraire. They do have some 100% organic farm fuel.
Posted by: Steve from Relto   2005-01-11 9:26:36 AM  

#11  all hands raised if you would like the French on your side

I'd rather they were on my side than behind me.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-01-11 9:13:28 AM  

#10  "Lets see if we can fool those stupid americans again into trusting us..."
Posted by: CrazyFool   2005-01-11 9:11:50 AM  

#9  Barnier wants a "new relationship". I like any relationship with phrawnce that has the prefix "ex".
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2005-01-11 8:38:13 AM  

#8  By a new alliance I think he's just saying that he wants us to turn over.
Posted by: 2b   2005-01-11 8:29:11 AM  

#7  "alliance did not mean allegiance."They must have a different glossary of terms than what I use.
Posted by: raptor   2005-01-11 8:07:18 AM  

#6  vote time ... all hands raised if you would like the French on your side ...
*watchs tumbleweed go by*
no-one? , come on , there must be someone .. anyone ?
Posted by: MacNails   2005-01-11 5:52:48 AM  

#5  SPOD, it will be interesting to see how they deal with Dr. Rice. I don't think that she accepts much in the way of BS. Unfortunately, the French are all about BS.
Posted by: Remoteman   2005-01-11 5:26:03 AM  

#4  What exactly what does France have to balance with? Nothing? Yes, thats right, nothing.
Why would we negotiate another screwing at the hands of Chirac? No good reason I can think of. I think France will find it's diplomats lack the "culture" to deal with Ms Rice. She is so very far above the station of any French politician or technocrat.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2005-01-11 1:35:10 AM  

#3  "..The alliance between Europeans and Americans must be balanced.”

Balanced? Try bringing something to the table, Monsieur.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-01-11 1:28:20 AM  

#2  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: screw the brick TROLL   2005-01-11 12:25:27 AM  

#1  I'd say they have two choices to pick from.

1. Subservient boot-licking lackey - They are French after all.

2. Hated Enemy - This is their default choice anyway, unless they start some serious groveling.
Posted by: Silentbrick   2005-01-11 12:13:20 AM  

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