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In the UK, al-Qaeda mouthpieces must weigh their words
2005-01-16
Sheik Omar Bakri, a supporter of al-Qaida, is typical of radical clerics in Britain. He has condoned suicide bombings in Iraq, but only indirectly encourages young Muslims here to join the insurgency in Iraq. "I believe Muslims are obliged to support their Muslim brothers abroad -- verbally, financially, politically," Bakri told The Associated Press. "I never said 'go abroad.' But if people want to go abroad it's a very good thing to do. But we never recruit people to go abroad."

Bakri, who heads al-Muhajiroun, Britain's largest Muslim group, like all clerics in Britain is walking a fine line in what he preaches in his khotba, or sermons. At the London Mosque, for example, sermons are vetted by a senior cleric before they are delivered to worshippers during weekly Friday prayers. There's an undeclared understanding between British authorities and Muslim clerics that certain subjects -- such as Iraq or condoning holy war -- are off limits. "There's no control from the government," said Sheik Anwar Abdie Hamid Mady, deputy director general of the London Mosque. "But we don't exceed the limits in our khotba."

Mady, a 31-year-old Egyptian cleric, said he reads all the sermons before the imam, or prayer leader, delivers them. "I can interfere in order to modify some sections, to make them compatible with our circumstances. I have to review all the verses to see if they are compatible with the Quran or hadith," the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad, Mady, said. "If I find some section that is not compatible to our situation, I change it." However, Mady said he never had to alter any sermon for its political contents. But many of the worshippers were less constrained about discussing fighting the American occupation of Iraq. "It's called brotherhood in Islam," said a British citizen of Algerian origin who would only give his first name, Nabil.

Even though they have not cracked down on individual clerics, as in France where five non-citizens have been deported, Muslims are well aware of their limits. According to Bakri, several Islamic groups in Britain voluntarily disbanded following a call by Osama bin Laden to come "under one camp" led by the al-Qaida leader. Bakri named the Movement of Khilafa, Jamat al-Tawheed, the Talabat al-Ilm al-Sharia al-Salafiyah, Ansar al-Sharia, Ansar al-Imarah al-Islamiyah, and the Sharia Court of the United Kingdom that was affiliated to al-Muhajiroun. Other institutions that worked under his al-Muhajiroun group, including the London School of Sharia and the Committee of Muslim Lawyers, have also ended their activities, said Bakri. He said he has stopped preaching and issuing pamphlets, and al-Muhajiroun Web sites have shut down. Did that mean these groups are now subservient to al-Qaida, as bin Laden had suggested?
What the hell do you think? (Who the hell writes this stuff?)
Bakri sounded noncommittal. "We didn't declare (ourselves) to be part of al-Qaida," he said; the purpose was to "declare unity. Unity with who? ... with the mainstream moderate Muslims in the U.K.? No. Unity with the government of a Muslim country? All those people are apostate rulers. Unity with whom? Nobody is left. What's left is the Islamic camp."
... which, in his opinion, is al-Qaeda. Give him the friggin' Titus Oates treatment and get it over with, fergawdsake!
He denied the disbandment was due to pressure from Prime Minister Tony Blair's government, but said he and his colleagues feel "under siege" -- caught between having to fight the system or "be hypocrites and come out and say, 'we are with you Tony Blair."' Bakri, a Syrian-born Islamic scholar and religious judge, had no qualms in the past about calling for suicide bombings, calling them self-sacrifice operations. But now his message is more muted. "We don't encourage it (bombings), but we said we reiterate what Islam said," he explained, and turned to metaphor, saying that if a crocodile came into your bedroom, Islam would tell you to fight it, not sleep with it. The same would apply if "kufar (infidels) occupied your homeland..." he said.
How about if bloodthirsty Moose limbs occupy somebody else's homeland? Gee, golly. What should they do? Oh, what should they do?
But "I do believe that every time has its own obligation," said Bakri. Jihad "can be physical in Iraq," but in Britain, British law applies and "we are not allowed to fight anybody."
Posted by:Dan Darling

#17  You're right of course, Frank, and I'm not offended. But you guys do invective so much better and more effectively than I do -- I never really got much past Mom and Academic (and being able to do Mom in German isn't any more effective than in English with this crowd). That's why I ended post #9 with an apology to y'all.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-01-16 10:13:13 PM  

#16  btw - if Mike thinks it's a great thing to be posting UN-apologist articles from deep within Kofi's ass, so be it. His rep suffers accordingly
Posted by: Frank G   2005-01-16 7:50:09 PM  

#15  TW - you need to remember this place was here before you ever got here - it's called Rant burg for a reason. Mike's baiting doesn't bother me, I pay my dues via paypal (monthly). The den mother gig isn't open. My apologies if you're offended, get over it
Posted by: Frank G   2005-01-16 7:46:24 PM  

#14  "socially inept adolescent boy" someone talkingabout me again?

I can't understand what this article is telling me. These clowns certainly have not stopped there Jihadi recrutment and anti western incitement. If I had my way I would make it impossible for the death cult of the moon god to or it's members to exist in our society. People could take to walking their pet goats thru muslim neighborhood over there in large groups for instance.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2005-01-16 7:06:00 PM  

#13  I, for one, welcome the puppet strings of my master "Mikey of the Kofi Buttboy club"
Posted by: Frank G   2005-01-16 4:39:43 PM  

#12  I guess I'm the only naive person addicted to this site.

I must say that it's entirely mistaken for you to be lumping yourself together with Gentle and her ilk, trailing wife.

I'm careful of the words I say,
To keep them soft and sweet,
I never know from day to day
Which one's I'll have to eat..


Perish the thought, Mike. While I refuse to believe that you are taking a swipe at free speech hereabouts, you're still wide of the mark. The idea is not remaining confined to dulcet tones in all one writes, but to stay on point. Posting solely for the sake of getting a rise out of people is puerile at best. I'd like to think that you can do better.
Posted by: Zenster   2005-01-16 4:05:21 PM  

#11  Bravely said, Mike. Keep up the sweetness...even Trailing Daughter, looking over my shoulder at our posts, is not surprised by the behaviour which provoked my outburst. I guess I'm the only naive person addicted to this site.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-01-16 3:40:27 PM  

#10  
Since Trailing Wife does consistently demand decency from all Rantburgers and since she has defended me, I am shamed into apologizing. Here is my peace offering:

I'm careful of the words I say,
To keep them soft and sweet,
I never know from day to day
Which one's I'll have to eat.
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester   2005-01-16 2:45:33 PM  

#9  For shame, Michael Sylwester! You are old enough to behave better than a socially inept adolescent boy. I thought you honestly meant to be helpful and informative in your own tactless way. But if your only purpose is to annoy people, go away and play with people who like that kind of idiocy.

I really hate having to apologise to Rantburg for standing up for a person I naively didn't realize was being deliberately asinine.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-01-16 2:13:49 PM  

#8  Heh - good quote - I hadn't seen that one, before - and I've collected several from the Other Master of English (Ambrose Bierce being the American model), lol!
Posted by: .com   2005-01-16 2:10:23 PM  

#7  Mike, do yourself a favor and avoid baiting people. It does nothing for your cause.

I knew those postings would provoke snit-fits from Robert Crawford Frank G. every single time. .

If that was your sole intent, I know more than a few people who would call that trolling - something that I would hope you eschew.

As to the matter at hand:

"I believe Muslims are obliged to support their Muslim brothers abroad -- verbally, financially, politically," Bakri told The Associated Press. "I never said ’go abroad.’

"But if people want to go abroad it’s a very good thing to do," he added. "But we never recruit people to go abroad."


Soho poofters could take lessons in mincing from Bakri.

"It is best to mince one's words very finely. It makes them so much easier to eat afterwards."

- OSCAR WILDE -
Posted by: Zenster   2005-01-16 2:00:42 PM  

#6  Mikey's pretty proud of himself and who can blame him. He's even better at turning the subject of a thread into himself than he-who-shall-not-be-named.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2005-01-16 1:14:37 PM  

#5  Lol! Snit-fit? You're such a tool, Mikey, lol! Our very own American Made™ Tranzi Bitch! And now with the new improved auto-pneumatic ego! ROFL!!!
Posted by: .com   2005-01-16 12:45:36 PM  

#4  
I can cause a snit-fit from .com while blind-folded and standing on my head and with both hands tied behind my back.
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester   2005-01-16 12:40:25 PM  

#3  Yes, you're Socrates... or maybe you're the pea from the Princess and the Pea... or hay-fever pollen. Something like that. No matter, you're really important 'round here. Dunno how RB was able to survive before you showed up. I know I was sure pleased when the big day arrived. Woo hoo.
Posted by: .com   2005-01-16 12:27:12 PM  

#2  
al-Muhajiroun Web sites have shut down

I used to get great stuff from al-Muhajiroun to post here in Rantburg. I knew those postings would provoke snit-fits from Robert Crawford Frank G. every single time.
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester   2005-01-16 12:11:31 PM  

#1  The same would apply if "kufar (infidels) occupied your homeland..." he said.

I agree. The infidels are occupying the British homeland.
Posted by: 2b   2005-01-16 11:50:41 AM  

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