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Russia's new defense machine, the Terminator, marks new generation of Russian weaponry
2005-03-19
This appears to be an urban warfare vehicle and note the 100s of tanks lost in Grozny. The Russia army is taking a new military vehicle in the arsenal - the Terminator. Such a strange name has been given to the new tank support vehicle. At the end of 2004, when Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov was talking about new generations of the Russian arms that were planned to be added to the arsenal in 2005, he was talking about the Terminator too.

Specialists of the Ural Transport Machine-Building Design Bureau developed the new machine - the enterprise is a division of Uralvagonzavod, which is Russia's largest tank-maker.

Military specialists say that the capacity of the new tank support vehicle doubles the efficiency of six armored vehicles and 40 soldiers. Testing procedures for the latest development of the Russian defense industry are about to be over, a spokesman for the defense ministry's administration for armored vehicles, Nikolai Kovalev said.

"The use of the new machine in a tank battalion will add up to 30 percent of efficiency to the detachment. The tank support vehicle is capable of firing at three targets on a battlefield simultaneously," General Kovalev said.

The concept to develop the new tank support machine for the Russian army appeared from life experience itself. The storming of the Chechen capital of Grozny on January 1, 1995 resulted in a tragedy for the Russian federal forces. Chechen gunmen destroyed hundreds of Russian tanks and other armored vehicles in narrow streets and quarters of the city.

Russian military specialists were originally going to solve the tank support problem with the help of self-propelled antiaircraft systems known as Shilka. Four 23-millimeter guns could provide appropriate defense and fire efficiency. However, Shilka systems are not armored because they were not developed for offensive actions. In addition, Shilka does not have the most important quality at this point - it cannot destroy tanks.

The new vehicle is capable of overcoming three-meter ditches and breaching 1.5-meter walls.

Specialists of the US Armed Forces are also working on the question to develop a new armored vehicle to replace a not very successful M-2 Bradly machine.
Ummm, right. The Bradley that is the US Army's standard armored personnel carrier, which continues to be updated with things like FBCB2. THAT 'not very successful' machine. Got it.

Spokesmen for the Israeli Defense Ministry evinced interest in the new Russian tank support machine during a military technological show in the city of Nizhni Tagil. Israeli officials said that they would like to conclude a contract with Russia to acquire new machines for their Merkava tanks that were used for scouring procedures in Palestinian settlements. They later said, however, that Israeli specialists would be able to develop a similar machine themselves.

The new Russian machine as the latest military technological development is not regulated with the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe (CFE). The Terminator is a vehicle of a new class. The CFE Treaty stipulates certain restrictions for the number of units of weaponry in Europe.

Russia has a right to have 6,350 tanks and 11,280 armored vehicles on its territory. These terms are acceptable for Russia - they provide the necessary numeral parity with the armed forces of European NATO members. In connection with the conflict situation in the Caucasus, Russian diplomats were going to ask European authorities for certain concessions. The appearance of the Terminator makes such an intention useless, because the class of the new machine is not mentioned in legal documents of the CFE Treaty. Terminator is neither a tank, nor an armored vehicle. These peculiarities will inevitably lead to numerous discussions as far as the Terminator's class is concerned. Russia has a right to use as many Terminators as needed in the Caucasus until European authorities introduce certain amendments to the CFE Treaty. It is noteworthy, though, that the Russian treasury might not be able to handle this issue.

The last para is the real issue here - loss of Russian pre-eminence in the region, the desire of the generals to move harder and faster than Putin and a great sensitivity to the presence of the US in the former Soviet states.
Posted by:phil_b

#6  B-b-b-but. I can remember "60 minutes" in the early 80s(?) saying that the Bradley was a costly fiasco. CBS wouldn't lie or make an error, would they?
Posted by: jackal   2005-03-19 8:54:43 PM  

#5  nada >>> I was on the M2 and M2A1 (in PGWI) The Bradley is a great machine and the Bushmaster 25 mike mike is one of the best weapon systems I've ever seen. I too was disappointed with the .50 cal on the Stryker as well.
Posted by: 98zulu   2005-03-19 6:03:03 PM  

#4  Except, Ed, I've heard the Stryker isn't that C-130-capable (it only fits if you start removing stuff), and that the LAV-25 (which is used by the Marine Corps) is.
Posted by: Phil Fraering   2005-03-19 2:52:21 PM  

#3  nada, it comes down to this: Do you want your Strykers disembarking a C-130 shooting or not?

(That is to say, the Marine Corps' LAV III - originally the Canadian military Coyote Reconnaissance Vehicle - has a 25mm autocannon, possibly the Bradley's, but it's too tall to enter/exit a C-130's rear doorway, and the M2 was the only solution that gave "super" punch - .50 BMG is already nasty enough as is - and allowed the Stryker to drive off a C-130 right into combat, and come out shooting too.)
Posted by: Edward Yee   2005-03-19 11:12:44 AM  

#2  Ummm, right. The Bradley that is the US Army's standard armored personnel carrier, which continues to be updated with things like FBCB2. THAT 'not very successful' machine. Got it.

Agreed. After having worked with M1A1s and M1A2s, I was really impressed with the Bradleys. The 25mm chain gun packs a punch, which is why I was really disappointed the new Strykers for the Cav guys only got a fifty cal.
Posted by: nada   2005-03-19 9:42:44 AM  

#1  Russian military specialists were originally going to solve the tank support problem with the help of self-propelled antiaircraft systems known as Shilka. Four 23-millimeter guns
I've always thought that sucker with a little armour would be a terrific street fighter. Similar US AA vehicles in Korea did good work in the anti-infantry role.
Posted by: Jimmy Hoffa   2005-03-19 8:03:08 AM  

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