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Home Front: Politix
A Republic, Not a Democracy
2005-03-19
by Patrick J. Buchanan
As Herr Schroeder was babbling on in Mainz, during his joint press conference with President Bush, about a need for carrots to coax Tehran off its nuclear program, Bush interrupted the chancellor to issue yet another demand—that "the Iranian government listen to the hopes and aspirations of the Iranian people."
Actually, I think he waited his turn to speak...
"We believe," said Bush, "that the voice of the people ought to be determining policy, because we believe in democracy
"
And here's where Buchanan's going to riff...
Who, one wonders, is feeding the president his talking points?
Perhaps he writes them himself?
Is he unaware that the Iranian people, even opponents of the regime, believe Iran has a right to nuclear power and should retain the capacity to build nuclear weapons?
That has nothing to do with an aspirations they may have toward democracy and individual liberty...
While 70 percent of Iranians may have voted to dump the mullahs, just as Pakistanis were delirious with joy when they exploded their first nuclear device, we should expect Iranians to react the same way. What people have not celebrated their nation joining the exclusive nuclear club?
They do that because it gives them the illusion of being an important nation. Once the euphoria's worn off, they're back to being another cultural backwater. The technology's not their own -- they've stolen it or bought it on the black market run by inhabitants of other cultural backwaters, and the only thing that's changed is that now they're a dangerous cultural backwater.
"We believe 
 that the voice of the people ought to be determining policy," said Bush, "because we believe in democracy." Does Bush really believe this?
I'm convinced he does. How about you, Pat?
How does he think the Arab peoples would vote on the following questions: (1) Should the United States get out of Iraq? (2) Is it fair to compare Israel's treatment of Palestinians to Nazi treatment of the Jews? (3) Do Arab nations have the same right to an atom bomb as Ariel Sharon? (4) Is Osama bin Laden a terrorist or hero?
There's no guarantee that democracies in the Arab world will agree with us on anything, anymore than Europe's democracies agree with us on everything. The important part isn't what they'd vote for, but the fact that they're free to vote.
If Bush believes he and we are popular in the Islamic world, why has he not scheduled a grand tour of Rabat, Cairo, Beirut, Amman, Riyadh, and Islamabad to rally the masses to America's side, rather than preaching democracy at them from the White House? If one-man, one-vote democracy came suddenly to the Arab world, every pro-American ruler in the region would be at risk of being swept away.
Bingo. That's the ultimate idea, Pat. Only it's not just the pro-American rulers.
Yet there is a larger issue here than misreading the Arab mind. Whence comes this democracy-worship, this belief by President Bush that "the voice of the people ought to be determining policy"?
As I've mentioned a time or two before, we use "democracy" as shorthand for "liberty" and "freedom." The real difference between the U.S. and the Arab and Muslim worlds is liberty, not the form of government. Participatory democracy is a symptom of liberty, not the ends to it. Probably Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait and the UAE have more of a chance at achieving free societies than Iraq does — Iraq's got a religious establishment that's prepared to regulate every aspect of life, while the constitutional monarchies, with a slower, more measured tread, are coming to the position that people should be left alone to make their own mistakes. They're all still at the point of being confused by the contradictions that are raised between a global world and the wonderful world of Shariah. They realize that eventually Shariah's going to lose the fight with modernity, even though they don't want to admit it. Their eventual destination will look something like Japan, South Korea and Taiwan, which despite being globally oriented — and prosperous consumer societies — still somehow manage to remain Japanese, Korean, and Chinese in their culture. Malaysia's trying to follow the same path already, despite the continual efforts of the turban and automatic weapons set to derail it.
Would Bush himself let a poll of Americans decide how long we keep troops in Iraq? Would he submit his immigration policy to popular vote?
No. We voted to let him make the detailed decisions. We elected senators and representatives to consult with.
"We often hear the claim that our nation is a democracy," writes columnist Dr. Walter Williams. But, "That wasn't the vision of the founders. They saw democracy as another form of tyranny. 
 The founders intended, and laid out the ground rules for, our nation to be a republic. 
 The word democracy appears nowhere in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution."
And we've now hit the point of quibbling over words. The Declaration of Independence is rooted in the concept of liberty. And the Democrats, the elder of the two major parties, started life very soon after the ratification of the Constitution as the Democratic Republicans. So the idea of participatory democracy isn't something somebody imported last week.
Indeed, the Constitution guarantees "to every State in this Union a republican form of government." Asks Williams: "Does our pledge of allegiance to the flag say to 'the democracy for which it stands,' or does it say to 'the republic for which it stands'? Or do we sing 'The Battle Hymn of the Democracy' or 'The Battle Hymn of the Republic'?"
Quibble, quibble, quibble. The Declaration speaks of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, and then follows with "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed." Democracy is a method by which the governed give their consent to the actions of their government. The Romans, Florence, Venice, lots of other places, had republics that didn't include the concept of participatory democracy. Elections were for consuls and praetors and tribunes and quaestors and that sort of thing, not for the members of the senate.
There is a critical difference between a republic and a democracy, Williams notes, citing our second president: "John Adams captured the essence of that difference when he said: 'You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator of the Universe.' Nothing in our Constitution suggests that government is a grantor of rights. Instead, government is a protector of rights."
I certainly agree with that statement, and I'm sure most Rantburgers do, too. Perhaps intentionally being obtuse, Buchanan implies that democracy doesn't.
The Founders deeply distrusted democracy. Williams cites Adams again: "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There was never a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." Chief Justice John Marshall seconded Adams's motion: "Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos."
Also agreed. The ghost of Socrates agrees, too. But a non-democratic republic is another name for oligarchy. In theory an oligarchy can be benign, in practice I don't think it's happened yet. The governed have to give their consent, which is why we have elections, regardless of how much certain elements might try to turn them into mob actions.
"When the Constitution was framed," wrote historian Charles Beard, "no respectable person called himself or herself a democrat."
Beard is suspect in this statement. Jefferson was elected as a Democrat. Jefferson was "respectable," whether all his supporters were or not.
Democracy-worship suggests a childlike belief in the wisdom and goodness of "the people." But the people supported the guillotine in the French Revolution and Napoleon. The people were wild with joy as the British, French, and German boys marched off in August 1914 to the Great War. The people supported Hitler and the Nuremburg Laws.
I'd hardly call Napoleon and Hitler models of democracy. The French Revolution started with similar principles to our own and then veered in an entirely different direction. Just ask the ghost of Danton. Demagogues do, in fact, remain a danger, even in a Republic...
Our Founding Fathers no more trusted in the people always to do the right thing than they trusted in kings. In the republic they created, the House of Representatives, the people's house, was severely restricted in its powers by a Bill of Rights and checked by a Senate whose members were to be chosen by the states, by a president with veto power, and by a Supreme Court. "What kind of government do we have?" the lady asked Benjamin Franklin, as he emerged from the Constitutional Convention. Said Franklin, "A republic—if you can keep it."
That's a popular quote lately. To this point, we've kept our Republic, just as we've managed to keep the bulk of our liberties. We've kept them, not through the benign gifting of the Senate and the House, but because we've elected men and women to the Senate and the House who've fought to keep them — fought in the name of the people who elected them.
Let us restore that republic. As Jefferson said, "Hear no more of trust in men, but rather bind them down from mischief with the chains of the Constitution."
And let us not lapse into hysteria at the thought of an informed citizenry — in this country or others — participating in the governance of itself.
Posted by:Fred

#9  Pat's idea of a "republic" is a form of government in which people who look and think like him run things

and aren't Jooooos. He's never explained his love for Arab despots (not even trying for Realpolitik©) putting him in the Neo-Con/Joooooo hating branch of Rob't Novak, et al
Posted by: Frank G   2005-03-19 5:25:00 PM  

#8  Pat's idea of a "republic" is a form of government in which people who look and think like him run things. He's a fascist, or at least, the closest an actual American can come to the fascistic mind-set - zenophobic, past-worshiping, anti-capitalist, racist, anti-rationalist. He's rather under-cut by the lack of a true blood-and-soil tradition in American politics and thought, which keeps him from true, traditional fascism, but lord knows the man works overtime to make that "Judean-Christian tradition" cover over the ideological gaps.

A republic can be any of a lot of things. I like making the distinction between republics and democracies, because I like precision in my political science, and any jackass with a bullhorn and a crowd can make pretense at being a voice of democracy, or turn an electoral opportunity into "one man, one vote, one time" tyranny. Pat Buchanan *is* one of those jackasses, except that he's latched onto "republic" as his totem, instead.

In the early modern, a republic was any form of sovereignty which wasn't a monarchy or a theocracy. That is, rule by something other than an aristocratic or clerical head-of-state. Venice was a republic, but only a damned fool would look to the Republic of Venice as a model of liberty or virtue.

In short, democracy is an ideal, not a proper form of government.

As for Socrates... I'm tired of conservatives and would-be philosopher-kings whining about Socrates. Fucker was so goddamned virtuous and smart, why the hell didn't he ever do jack for his city-state other than survive Delium? Instead, he nursed a clutch of vipers who attacked the city from within at a moment of weakness in time of war. Fuck Socrates, they should have hanged him, instead of letting him take the easy way out with poison.
Posted by: Mitch H.   2005-03-19 5:07:06 PM  

#7  Who needs Cynthia? They chose Pelosi all by themselves.
Posted by: .com   2005-03-19 4:08:01 PM  

#6  eLarson - she isn't?

As for pissy Pat, he can go piss up a rope. I live in Virginia, and have been exposed to his antics for years; color me completely unimpressed.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2005-03-19 4:03:16 PM  

#5  Frank G wrote:
Pitchfork Pat - why does MSNBC et al continue to push him fwd as a "face of the Republican Party"

Probably because they think he makes the Republican Party look bad. In much the same way we'd like to push forward, say, Cynthia McKinney as a face of what the Democrat Party has become.
Posted by: eLarson   2005-03-19 3:51:55 PM  

#4  Well-said, TGA. Can you e-mail it to someone in Mullah-land?
Posted by: Bobby   2005-03-19 3:44:54 PM  

#3  Put 12 people on an empty island and sooner or later they'll decide on a leader. If they are smart, they will usually elect the smartest guy to run things, but only if this guy does fulfil the expectations. If not, they'll choose another. That's a rather universal thing.

Now if one guy who doesn't have to be the smartest, has a gun and the others have not, the election thing might not work. The guy with the gun might either influence the election, coerce people, bully them into electing him or just skip the whole election thing and tell people that he's da man because he has da gun.
But he better hold on tight to his gun and have a light sleep.
Democracy doesn't mean that the majority makes all the decisions but that it holds the ultimate control over the guys it chooses to run things. Democracy is more than "50,01% decide how things are done". Democracy is a complex system of liberties and rights which are not granted by a sovereign but by the people themselves and cannot be restricted by people whose powers are bestowed unto them by the people for a limited time period.

Now to Iran: It is rather meaningless what polls would show about the opinions of Iranians re nuclear energy, as long as opinions cannot be voiced free of fear or concern AND without the free flow of information.
A point many do miss: Yes Iran has the right to develop nuclear energy if it so choses, but it is under the obligation to let the international community to verify that this program doesn't develop into a weapon's program. Iran has failed in that respect and if it continues to fail in that respect the international community has the right to make sure that no nuclear threat comes from Iran. If this can only be achieved by terminating the WHOLE nuclear program, Iran can only blame itself.
The right is on our side because Iran has signed the non proliferation treaty in order to get nuclear technology from the West. Break the treaty and we'll take the technology away.

By all necessary means, if need to be
Posted by: True German Ally   2005-03-19 3:38:23 PM  

#2  Pitchfork Pat - why does MSNBC et al continue to push him fwd as a "face of the Republican Party" when he ran on any other ticket that would take him (and finished terribly). Might as well have Ross Perot and Jesse Ventura do a trifecta
Posted by: Frank G   2005-03-19 3:19:09 PM  

#1  O.K. I think Fred is smarter than Pat, and I kinda like our form of government, whatever it's called. We elected Bush to represent us, not to follow our polls. While I wasn't there, I believe FDR represented our long-term needs when he started supporting Britian in a war no one in America supported at the time. The Germans sunk the USS Reuben James while defending a convoy near Iceland months before Pearl Harbor. Roosevelt coulda been impeached, no?

I am a bit confused by the distinction he's trying to make between a republic and a democracy - maybe we have a representative democracy? I just be a dumb engineer...
Posted by: Bobby   2005-03-19 3:13:36 PM  

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