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Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Kyrgyzstan Updates
2005-03-21
Dunno what color this revolution is. McGregor plaid, maybe. They're coming fast enough that we're running out of colors...
"Erkin Esinaliyev, Deputy Chief of the Osh Regional Internal Affairs Directorate, and Ermek Kochorov, Deputy Chief of the Osh City Police Force, swore allegiance to the people several minutes ago," Irina Gordiyenko of the Moscow-based Novaya Gazeta reported from the central square of Osh. Upper echelons of the police, National Security Service, and prosecutor's office of the Osh region swear allegiance to the people ...senior officers of the Osh regional division of secret services are addressing thousands of supporters of the opposition at the rally.

The authorities of Kyrgyzstan agree to negotiations but the opposition does not have anyone to negotiate with: the president is not available. The Navruz, one of the most important holidays in the region, is celebrated in Central Asia, today. The spring holiday is known as the Nooruz in Bishkek. Every year, between 8,000 and 10,000 people assemble in the central square of the capital and the president addresses the nation. Everything is different now. There are about 500 policemen in the central square of Bishkek, and no festivities...
Posted by:Anonymoose

#42  O.K. Where do I send my check?
Posted by: Bobby   2005-03-21 11:14:02 PM  

#41  Bobby - You're new here. I don't expect you to fully absorb or understand this is actually a 2 year old thread, but then I wouldn't have jumped in head first without knowing what the fuck was going on. Have a very nice day - and do hit the tip jar, Fred is a Saint.
Posted by: .com   2005-03-21 11:13:17 PM  

#40  Bobby, give it a run, maybe paypal and continuing being ashamed may actually work very well together. ;-)
Posted by: Sobiesky   2005-03-21 11:10:30 PM  

#39  Ah, fer fuck's sake, my cheeks hurt. :)
Posted by: Asedwich   2005-03-21 11:09:39 PM  

#38  Thank you, ever so much, but I will just continue to be *ashamed*. (snigger)
Posted by: Bobby   2005-03-21 11:07:01 PM  

#37  there's always Paypal = penitence
Posted by: Frank G   2005-03-21 11:03:45 PM  

#36  Bobby, if you really identify with that, what can I say... it your choice... by all means. ;-)
Posted by: Sobiesky   2005-03-21 11:00:42 PM  

#35  Thank you, Sobiesky...between China and Kazakhstan! Why dincha sayso?

Dot Com --- I'm ... um ...ashamed of myself.... Here all this time I thought I was posting for fun, and to demonstrate I actually read the Rantburg, er, rants. Now I find out I post because my "insignificance and irrelevance eat away at your very being - thus you post... and post... and post... and post. Endlessly hoping, endlessly failing to be somebody. Little Man Syndrome. It's like a whole 'nuther world, not entirely sane nor rational. In the end, it's just pathetic... not sympathetic for it's toxic, just pathetic. It keeps coming back to where it has no place, trying with all its might to create one. Leeching off of all who frequent the 'Burg,..." Ohhhhh! I am *so* ashamed!
Posted by: Bobby   2005-03-21 10:52:20 PM  

#34  .com, the irony is that without Aris, I wouldn't be probably able to learn all your masterful expletives! ;-)

I am torn. However, I still vote for the toilet. ;-)
Posted by: Sobiesky   2005-03-21 10:27:28 PM  

#33  :-) PD: rest, my son - your work here is done
Posted by: Frank G   2005-03-21 10:25:15 PM  

#32  Woohoo! Hands-down the best Alfredo I've ever made, perfect rare prime rib, a pile of perfect sauteed fresh mushrooms, nuked green peas which survived rather well... W00t! And Mrs Smith's Deep Dish Apple pie, possibly with Dreyer's Vanilla Ice Cream, on tap in, lessee... 38 minutes plus cooling time. Awesome. Okay...

Aris as victim. Sniff, sniff... Been there many times, sniff. Shopworn. How unendearing and irrelevant - it doesn't play this time, either. Nice distraction technique, if you have the credibility - for you Aris, a total waste of time. You work to hone your asshole, er, discussion skills frequently, as the archives here (and only the MCP knows where else) rather clearly attest. But in the end, it just doesn't work, son - you're utterly and perfectly transparent. The penultimate jerk - a red-headed stepchild so overdrawn and absurd even a movie producer would wince. You need help, external help, professional help... massive help. It's that LMS that drives you. Your insignificance and irrelevance eat away at your very being - thus you post... and post... and post... and post. Endlessly hoping, endlessly failing to be somebody. Little Man Syndrome. It's like a whole 'nuther world, not entirely sane nor rational. In the end, it's just pathetic... not sympathetic for it's toxic, just pathetic.

It keeps coming back to where it has no place, trying with all its might to create one. Leeching off of all who frequent the 'Burg, shitting on the carpet, peeing on the pillows, and daring an overly tolerant Sheriff to arrest it, for its own good. Pathetic.

Aris The Grate. Leech. Asshole. Whiner. Crybaby.
Apologist for EUsurpers.
Poster Child of The Bot-Driven Self-Obsessed.
The World is About Aris.
CuntBoy Extraordinaire.
Future Prison Bitch.
Toward that Day, that End, that obvious Destiny, I offer this teaser to the current prison population...
Posted by: .com   2005-03-21 10:17:55 PM  

#31  EFL:

I'm ... obsessed about me ....
Posted by: AzCat   2005-03-21 10:09:30 PM  

#30  see? Course, give em 5 yrs and all the 'stans will be different....It's like shuffling in Scrabble, combined with Risk
Posted by: Frank G   2005-03-21 9:58:10 PM  

#29  
Posted by: Sobiesky   2005-03-21 9:54:26 PM  

#28  Risk - so.end of Siberia/Yakutsk. Note that Afghanistan is too far west
Posted by: Frank G   2005-03-21 9:47:36 PM  

#27  Ask Aris -- he has ESP.
Posted by: Tom   2005-03-21 9:45:40 PM  

#26  So even having played Risk for a while, and being pretty good at Trival Pursuit geography, just where the h-e-double-hockeysticks is Kyrzgzstan?????
Posted by: Bobby   2005-03-21 9:43:36 PM  

#25  Dave D, check out the first post of this thread. I didn't start the discussion on my person.

But cowards always are annoyed when their victims fight back, aren't they? *You* people can launch unprovoked attacks, but heavens forbid that your target responds!

Ban.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris   2005-03-21 9:42:56 PM  

#24  I wonder how many hundreds-- or even thousands-- of Rantburg comments this obnoxious, narcissistic twat has posted that are entirely devoted to explaining, justifying or excusing himself?

"The louder he talked of his honour, the faster we counted our spoons."
--- Emerson
Posted by: Dave D.   2005-03-21 9:32:16 PM  

#23  I call BS on that one, Aris. :-)
Posted by: Frank G   2005-03-21 9:23:05 PM  

#22  Belly? Eeewwwww!
I would vote that sticking his head in a toiled would be preferrable expression of submission.
Posted by: Sobiesky   2005-03-21 9:17:57 PM  

#21  Is there ANYBODY here who would want to see Aris show his belly in submission? I know I never want to see it.
Posted by: Tom   2005-03-21 9:10:26 PM  

#20  It's cute how you think it "took me more than 5 hours to figure out how I would fight back", but in reality, I'd been out for a movie. "Constantine". Cool fun movie, though I'm a bit annoyed that they didn't have him be a Brit.

Your lies remain your lies, .com, enshrined for the world to see, even as my mistakes are -- except your intentional lies much more shameful than my mistakes. You didn't show interest in letting you know about more of my mistakes as I offered (since you are so obsessed about them), but I have no problem telling you some I remember on my own. Consider them my affectionate gift to you:

- I had stated that the wall in Israel wouldn't help fight against the terrorist attacks, since it was too long to be guarded, but I was wrong about that and it has indeed helped.
- I thought that the EU Constitution referendum in Spain would be a close one, and the French referendum would be a clear victory for the Yes side -- it turned out I was wrong about that and the situation is reversed.
- I believed that letting Fallujah in the control of the insurgents may not have been too bad a decision, but I was wrong about that.
- I had once thought that Frank G was a nice guy. Oh, boy, was I *ever* wrong about that.

Here. These are specific and clear mistakes I've made, so you won't need to go hunting needles in haystacks about whether Kyrgyzstan is a true democratic revolution or not. I still think it doubtful it is one.

Had you said Oops - looks like it might be real, I'd have joined you in the chorus for freedom.

I acknowledge my mistakes, but I don't turn over and show my belly in submission, .com, nor do I apologize for honest opinions on the issues -- I certainly did nothing to apologize for in the links you provided.

You on the other hand were obnoxious and launched personal attacks without being provoked by me at all, and then you clearly lied about me. I face my mistakes but you are too scared to face or respond to *those* facts instead.

Chew on that, obnoxiously wimpy coward.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris   2005-03-21 9:06:16 PM  

#19  I thought I was the obsessed one, no wait, it appears to be our Leel Greek Fren'
Posted by: Frank G   2005-03-21 9:06:06 PM  

#18  Aris - regards my link, it is the height of absurdity for you, LeechBoy, to lecture me about Fred's bandwidth. I cover my RB antics - you, on the other hand, don't do dick, you cheap fuck.

You're a cunt, Aris. Had you said Oops - looks like it might be real, I'd have joined you in the chorus for freedom. Instead, it took you more than 5 hours to figure out how you would "fight back" from the position of terminally, excrementally, puss-ridden wrong. Your initial response of screeching, crying, whining, and throwing around epithets was pathetic. This one is classic Aris.

You're not admittedly arrogant. You are the pluperfect asshole of all time. Imminently worthy of endless derision and ridicule - a flagellation festival, if you will - to match your propensity for endless self-aggrandizement. Arrogance doesn't begin to cover your ego's offensive droppings.

Right, enshrined indeed - it's not about those people, it's about you. Lol! Eat shit, junior -- obsession is the shining hallmark aspect of your perverse existence on RB. Thoroughly enshrined in the RB archives.

Do fuck off and have a very nice day.
Posted by: .com   2005-03-21 8:42:55 PM  

#17  "Admittedly, there's no confirming reports, but something appears to be happening across a good portion of the country..."
What is "something", Aris, and where do you get that info, ESP?
Posted by: Tom   2005-03-21 8:38:12 PM  

#16  Obsesessed about Aris?!? Hold on there! I'm the one that's supposedly obsessed with you, Aris. You're getting confused again. Take a few deep breaths and try to sort it out. I know you miss Frank's taunts and insults, but don't get all weepy -- it distorts your perceptions and gets y'all confused.
Posted by: Tom   2005-03-21 8:27:34 PM  

#15  And the anonymous coward chorus continues.

Anonymous Coward dear, I'm not *nearly* as obsessed about me, as .com is obsessed about me.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris   2005-03-21 7:59:28 PM  

#14  Meeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Posted by: Chineese frenlooper   2005-03-21 7:49:27 PM  

#13  .com, ofcourse that's where your link goes to --after it loads that entire day of Rantburg, all nearly 300 Kb of it. The link I gave goes to a 10kb page instead.

Don't waste Fred's bandwidth, and don't force slow connections to take a whole day to find what you are talking about. Next time link to the article itself, not the whole day. It's faster that way.

you turn out to be wrong (Gasp! It's NEVER happened before - you've said so!)

I've turned out wrong many times before. Want me to mention several such mistakes I've made here in Rantburg? I don't have links for you but I remember them quite well.

It's one of your continuing LIES that I've ever claimed the opposite. You lie and lie and then lie some more, pretending that I've ever claimed myself all-knowing. Think that enough slander thrown at my direction will ever make it a statement other would believe I made, or that I would myself care to defend?

I'm self-admittedly arrogant, but I've never claimed perfection -- it's you who are claiming it on my behalf.

And if I'm mistaken on the Kyrgyzstan situation *again*, this will be a mistake I'll be happy to have made, and I'm glad it's "enshrined". Unfortunately your obnoxiousness and trollery and LIES are also enshrined in this thread.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris   2005-03-21 7:29:20 PM  

#12  9.95. Swift sure, and no greek refuse.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-03-21 5:54:17 PM  

#11  From photos, the protests (and a genuine fistfight) look to be from the bottom up: Kyrgyzstan election protests slideshow
Posted by: ed   2005-03-21 5:32:41 PM  

#10  Pappy - Indeed - that's where the link points - and that was the comment which poopoo'd the notion that there was anything afoot.

I hope there is a global infection of populace vs tinpot dictators, heh.
Posted by: .com   2005-03-21 5:11:30 PM  

#9  .com, are you referring to this comment of March 20th?

So far the Kyrgyz protests instead of genuine pro-democracy revolts (like in Ukraine), seem to revolve instead around specific members of the political elite that objected to their own exclusion from the power-pie. Their protest are not united, and each elite excluded just tries to win the district he ran in, instead of having a common democratic vision. Unlike Georgia and Ukraine they couldn't agree even in choosing a leader among them.

Admittedly, there's no confirming reports, but something appears to be happening across a good portion of the country that goes beyond a "rent a crowd".

We'll have to see if the much-vaunted media decides to rouse itself enough cover it.
Posted by: Pappy   2005-03-21 4:09:46 PM  

#8  trolling for me trolling for me trolling for me trolling for me
Posted by: Shipman   2005-03-21 3:15:51 PM  

#7  Wow.

BTW, my link works just fine - directly to where your opinion was enshrined. You really shouldn't get so exercised - I pointed to your superior wisdom. If you turn out to be wrong (Gasp! It's NEVER happened before - you've said so!) that's okay. Happens to everyone, regular folks, anyway, now and then. Relax. Tell us about the inner workings of Alphabetistan, we're so hungry for knowledge and wisdom! I'm positively green with jealousy regards your access.

I, too, would rejoice if there really is a popular movement afoot to end a regime that tampers / fixes elections. We're in agreement.
Posted by: .com   2005-03-21 2:44:38 PM  

#6  Rantburg without Aris would be like Oz without the Wicked Witch of the West.
Posted by: Bulldog   2005-03-21 2:34:40 PM  

#5  hee hee
Posted by: Frank G   2005-03-21 2:29:27 PM  

#4  Ban. If y'all can stand the idea that trolling for me would be result-free henceforth.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris   2005-03-21 2:28:41 PM  

#3  Ban. Nothing but a foul mouthed parasite.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-03-21 2:21:11 PM  

#2  Troll.

If I was wrong, and the Kyrgyzstan uprising trully ends up being a democratic revolution instead of elites squabbling for power, I'll be the first to rejoice. But please do btw, learn to link past articles properly: This was the article you meant to link.

As for your fucking trollery and obnoxiousness, shove it up your ass. When I disagreed you with you on the nature of the revolt (again, it was here), I didn't insult you about it, nor comment on the rampant ignorance and flaming idiocy.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris   2005-03-21 2:14:33 PM  

#1  Interesting.

But, according to Aris, there's nothing to see here. That the elections were rigged, etc. was dismissed because it wasn't for "the people" but for "specific members of the political elite".

I envy his access to the inner circles and thoughts of every political movement and non-movement. Pretty impressive. I have no such access so I'm stuck with reading the stories and relying upon my betters for guidance.

I do get the impression that Soros could pick up another country on the cheap, here. This non-movement could be leveraged into a "stage managed" non-movement with a little cash, some handy thugs, and pushing in the right places.

Nah. Nothing happening here. Just ignore this. Move along.
Posted by: .com   2005-03-21 11:18:01 AM  

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