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Pope fading serenely, says Vatican
2005-04-01
"I've never seen him so serene and handsome," said Lawyer Felos...
Pope John Paul is in a "very grave" condition and appeared close to death after suffering heart failure, the Vatican said. "He is fading serenely," said Polish Cardinal Andrzej Maria Deskur, a close friend. But the Holy See denied reports that the 84-year-old pontiff was in a coma in his Vatican apartment after refusing hospital treatment. The Pope's fragile health took a sharp turn for the worse as he developed a high fever caused by an infection. After initially stabilising, his condition then deteriorated further, the Vatican said. John Paul suffered heart failure during treatment for a urinary tract infection and was now in a "very serious" condition, the Vatican said. Papal spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said in the previous statement the Pope had experienced septic shock and heart failure. "This morning the condition of the Holy Father is very serious," the statement said. However, it said that the Pope had participated in a mass and that he was "conscious, lucid, and serene". The Polish born Pope's health declined sharply when he developed a high fever brought on by the urinary tract infection. The Pope's wish to remain in his apartment at the Vatican and not be taken to the hospital was respected, Navarro-Valls said.
Posted by:Bulldog

#36  Rantbugers,

I'm outta here. Headed to the parish - we are going to say a rosay and then go give John Paul II a good old fashioned Irish Wake down at a local Irish Pub. Sinlge Malt. At least 10 years old (getting the 21 years old Bushmills Single Malt myself).

We Catholics are lucky God let us keep him a quarter of a century. Here's to you JP-II, and thanks God!
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-04-01 7:33:00 PM  

#35  TGA - that was a pun, by name.

Maxwell's Silver Hammer...

(Beatles did a song on this)
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-04-01 3:51:03 PM  

#34  I think they jumped too soon. I would wait until the Vatican does the news release.

I hope God comforts Pope Johannus Paulus II in his suffering and receives him soon - he has truly been a giant, even in suffering and dying he is showing us the way of Christ.

This is truly a man who walked the walk and carried the Cross while doing so.
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-04-01 1:48:05 PM  

#33  Rantbugers,

I'm outta here. Headed to the parish - we are going to say a rosay and then go give John Paul II a good old fashioned Irish Wake down at a local Irish Pub. Sinlge Malt. At least 10 years old (getting the 21 years old Bushmills Single Malt myself).

We Catholics are lucky God let us keep him a quarter of a century. Here's to you JP-II, and thanks God!
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-04-01 7:33:00 PM  

#32  TGA - that was a pun, by name.

Maxwell's Silver Hammer...

(Beatles did a song on this)
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-04-01 3:51:03 PM  

#31  I think they jumped too soon. I would wait until the Vatican does the news release.

I hope God comforts Pope Johannus Paulus II in his suffering and receives him soon - he has truly been a giant, even in suffering and dying he is showing us the way of Christ.

This is truly a man who walked the walk and carried the Cross while doing so.
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-04-01 1:48:05 PM  

#30  BigEd - Strategy Page has had odds on both death and replacement for awhile on their Prediction Market.. I guess playing all their bets is just another nail in my coffin. Not that it will make any difference!
Posted by: 3dc   2005-04-01 9:53:56 PM  

#29  JOHN PAUL II is a great man and a great Pope - it would not surprise me iff one day he's recommended for Sainthood. As I'd posted on the Net several years ago, He is not destined to die until certain knowledge and world events take place, both of which have direct consequence on the proverbial or so-called "Second Coming of Christ". This WOT is one of these events - once The Failed/Angry Left succeed in suborning America to OWG and Communist World Order, the Catholic Church and World JudaeoChristianity will be next for PC schism and destruction, regardless of denomination or belief, NOT EVEN THE ORTHODOX CHURCH IN MOSCOW, etal. WILL BE SPARED! Lefty commentators argue that God is a fake - not good, people, not good or correct at all!?
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2005-04-01 9:06:35 PM  

#28  good day OS! I'm toasting and tearing up by myself (better that way). Pride of the Poles and we Catholics should be thankful
Posted by: Frank G   2005-04-01 7:59:20 PM  

#27  Old Spook, drink to the guy who was Communism's worst nightmare! I'll do the same, with the best Scotch money can buy.

Oh btw, according to the Vatican, the silver hammer is an urban legend. The camerlengo would call the Pope three times by his birth name, asking him in Latin whether he slept. This ceremony is no longer used, either.
Posted by: True German Ally   2005-04-01 7:55:52 PM  

#26  Rantbugers,

I'm outta here. Headed to the parish - we are going to say a rosay and then go give John Paul II a good old fashioned Irish Wake down at a local Irish Pub. Sinlge Malt. At least 10 years old (getting the 21 years old Bushmills Single Malt myself).

We Catholics are lucky God let us keep him a quarter of a century. Here's to you JP-II, and thanks God!
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-04-01 7:33:00 PM  

#25  Yahoo News Streaming Vatican
Posted by: BigEd   2005-04-01 6:28:54 PM  

#24  well , ladbrokes is short of publicity at the moment .... but then again , they like riding on a pit pony
Posted by: MacNails   2005-04-01 5:41:30 PM  

#23  What is this morbid stuff of betting houses in UK taking odds on the successor at this time?

I would think they should wait until the funeral is concluded...
Posted by: BigEd   2005-04-01 5:38:15 PM  

#22  ha , the total hypocrisy of my last post ... perhaps there is a god after all !
Posted by: MacNails   2005-04-01 4:53:24 PM  

#21  Happy travels John Paul . You have carried a heavy burdon for too long . Sleep well , and make sure to bag me an allotment (small garden) up there huh ?

coming from a non religious person with a heart :)
Posted by: MacNails   2005-04-01 4:50:46 PM  

#20  Silver Hammer?

Do they expect him to say, "Ouch"?
Posted by: BigEd   2005-04-01 4:42:31 PM  

#19  TGA - that was a pun, by name.

Maxwell's Silver Hammer...

(Beatles did a song on this)
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-04-01 3:51:03 PM  

#18  The Chittagong RAB is en route to Rome...


/just kidding. I'm not Catholic, but I honor John Paul II and mourn his passing. He's been "my" Pope for most of my life...
Posted by: Seafarious   2005-04-01 3:18:58 PM  

#17  Maxwell, the Vatican is a bit older than modern medecine that can diagnose death without doubt.

That's what the silver hammer was for.
Posted by: True German Ally   2005-04-01 3:07:43 PM  

#16  Yeah, I saw that coming...
Posted by: tu3031   2005-04-01 2:02:23 PM  

#15  With a what?
Posted by: Maxwell   2005-04-01 2:01:15 PM  

#14  CNN:The Vatican denies reports in Italian media that Pope John Paul II has died.
Posted by: tu3031   2005-04-01 1:59:49 PM  

#13  There's procedures for everything, folks...

The formal Vatican tradition goes like this:
When a pope dies, the prefect of the papal household, currently American Archbishop James Harvey, tells the camerlengo, or chamberlain, who is the most important official running the Holy See in the period between the death of a pope and the election of a new one.
The camerlengo, now Cardinal Eduardo Martinez Somalo of Spain, must then verify the death — a process which in the past was done by striking the forehead of the pope with a silver hammer.
The camerlengo then tells the vicar of Rome, who informs the people of the city.
The prefect of the papal household then tells the dean of the College of Cardinals, now Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who then formally informs the rest of the college, ambassadors accredited to the Holy See, and heads of state around the world.
Posted by: tu3031   2005-04-01 1:54:26 PM  

#12  Fox and Drudge pulled back too...
Posted by: BigEd   2005-04-01 1:48:10 PM  

#11  Fox and Drudge pulled back too...
Posted by: BigEd   2005-04-01 1:48:10 PM  

#10  I think they jumped too soon. I would wait until the Vatican does the news release.

I hope God comforts Pope Johannus Paulus II in his suffering and receives him soon - he has truly been a giant, even in suffering and dying he is showing us the way of Christ.

This is truly a man who walked the walk and carried the Cross while doing so.
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-04-01 1:48:05 PM  

#9  Or maybe not
Posted by: True German Ally   2005-04-01 1:43:02 PM  

#8  Italian RAI television (via satellite)

IL PAPA HA MORTO
Posted by: True German Ally   2005-04-01 1:33:32 PM  

#7  Reuters says so too.
Posted by: growler   2005-04-01 1:31:20 PM  

#6  Steve : FOX and Drudge too...
Posted by: BigEd   2005-04-01 1:28:43 PM  

#5  Italian news agency reports that John Paul has died. No confirmation by Vatican yet.
Posted by: Steve   2005-04-01 1:26:11 PM  

#4  ...Someone who will clean house of pedophile priests.

I'm not a Catholic, Frank G, but I would think someone suggest Mahony and Law should stay home from the election. Anyone who'd either of them would support would be suspect, even though everything is supposedly super secret, and people under thier direction were the most public of the offenders...

Posted by: BigEd   2005-04-01 11:37:31 AM  

#3  # 1 Frank- you are 100% correct- clean up the religion! Also, let him die peacefully and comfortably- Unlike Terri Schiavo.

Andrea Jackson
Posted by: ANdrea Jackson   2005-04-01 11:35:17 AM  

#2  Hard to think of another world figure who never once changed his message as far as I can recall.
Think of the "current events" in play on the day he was named Pope until today. Jimmy Carter in the White House, Communism around the world, Cold War.





Sinaed O'Conner had hair, before she didn't... althought I think now she does.
Posted by: Capsu78   2005-04-01 11:25:28 AM  

#1  "grave condition", "congestive heart failure" Fox reports. He just made a flurry of appointments and accepted a bunch of resignations of bishops worldwide - leaving his last impressions on the Catholic world. I hope they replace him with someone as strong, compassionate, yet forward-thinking. Someone who will clean house of pedophile priests. Anything less is a failure before they even start
Posted by: Frank G   2005-04-01 9:55:08 AM  

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