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| Agca Wishes To Attend Pope's Funeral |
| 2005-04-04 |
| Maybe not a great idea... Turkish gunman mehmet Ali Agca, who attempted to kill Pope John Paul II in 1981, has said he wished to attend the funeral of the pontiff, RIA news agency reported quoting Turkish TV channel Haberturk. Agca, who is currently servicing a sentence over different charges in an Istanbul prison, plans to ask Turkey's Justice Ministry for permission to leave for the Vatican, his defense lawyer has announced. Sure. We'll call you a cab. Want us to book your flight maybe? Earlier it was reported that the Turk, who narrowly killed the Pope on May 13, 1981, was grief-stricken over the pontiff's death. Agca received forgiveness personally from Pope John Paul II who visited him in the Italian prison cell in 1983. |
| Posted by:tu3031 |
| #6 mom - Easy, there. I've read the Old Testament, New Testament (King James, of course), the Qu'uran, the Dancing Wu Li Masters, the Upanishads, most everything TD Suzuki wrote in English, etc. I get it. I get over shit without guilt or ulcers (never had one) because I expect to end arguments on the spot - refuse to leave the scene until it's settled, in fact. Internet shit's different, of course, because you can't reach out and reason - or strangle - the other person, unless they are willing - and that's damned seldom. In real world personal affairs, I do not keep an account book. That's what women do - and it eats them alive. Males tend to get physical - and when the dust settles, they end up friends half (OK, 1/4) of the time. Women beat each other up with nasty words - and those wounds on the heart never heal. I suggest you're talking to a man as if a woman. Not the same thing. If you and I got into a knock-down drag-out fight, I would do the only thing I've ever found effective regards women: walk away and never approach you again. You guys are NASTY and HIT BELOW TH BELT - cuz that's the way you're taught. I suppose Christian women, and I've had my share of interactions with them, should do as you suggest and, with me on the other side, it would work very very well. No fight. No foul. No accounting. BUT. That is not how it goes in the real world. You women, on average, do NOT forgive or forget or anything of the sort. So I walk away and leave it. They can stew if they wanna. They can scream and shout if they wanna. Or they can follow your advice. When your advice doesn't work, is it because folks are bad Christians who say shit but can't do it? I dunno - they're your folks. I seem to have little in common with them. I demand settlement on the spot with men. With women who can't meet me in the middle I walk. |
| Posted by: .com 2005-04-04 10:54:42 PM |
| #5 .com, forgiveness is the ONLY way to move on after someone has hurt you. The hurt has to go somewhere; and if you don't forgive, you're the one who gets ulcers. Also, Jesus didn't give us a choice in the matter: "If you do not forgive those who sin agianst you, neither will your heavenly father forgive you (Matthew 6). I agree that Agca should stay out of this, but at least I understand why he wants to come. You've said before that you don't believe in God. May I suggest that you read the Gospel of Luke and the Gospel of John, for historical purposes if not spiritual ones? |
| Posted by: mom 2005-04-04 10:24:07 PM |
| #4 I think chuzpah was defined by a guy killing his parents and claiming to be an orphan now. He takes it to a new level I need to get out of prison to attend the funeral of the guy I tried to kill. Maybe he read of church asylum rights? Ali, you know, it's Cardinal Ratzinger who runs the show right now. And he's the boss of the Inquisition! Better stay home |
| Posted by: True German Ally 2005-04-04 9:49:12 PM |
| #3 Oddly, the Pope would want him there if possible. I don't know that I would be willing to sign his Visa. |
| Posted by: Super Hose 2005-04-04 9:37:23 PM |
| #2 That he is breathing is an affront to peace and love. I'm not a Christian so, IMHO, forgiveness can take a phreakin' hike, lol! |
| Posted by: .com 2005-04-04 6:45:24 PM |
| #1 Agca, I think that you better sit this one out. It is all peace, love, and forgiveness now at the Pope's funeral, but a pissed off 0.1% could tear you to pieces. I do not think that people want to see you there. |
| Posted by: Alaska Paul 2005-04-04 6:38:44 PM |