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Home Front: Politix
He's Back: Governator Praises Minuteman Project
2005-04-30
Heh, I knew he'd find his own voice.
Schwarzenegger says group's patrols against illegal immigrants have been effective. One critic calls remarks 'nothing short of base racism.'
That's the classic canard to scare off meaningful discussion, debate, and effective enforcement of the law. It's one of the new "Nazi" arguments used to silence critics of the Socialist agenda. (see Godwin's Law)
Calling the nation's borders dangerously porous, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Thursday praised the private "Minuteman" campaign that uses armed volunteers to stop illegal immigrants from crossing into the U.S.
Having a presence on the border works.
Schwarzenegger said in a radio interview that the federal government is failing to secure the border with Mexico, and he cast the hundreds of private citizens who have been patrolling the Arizona-Mexico border since April 1 as a popular response to government inaction.
Calling a spade a spade. Unique in CA politics.
"I think they've done a terrific job," Schwarzenegger said of the "Minuteman" volunteers, who plan to expand to California in June. "They've cut down the crossing of illegal immigrants a huge percentage. So it just shows that it works when you go and make an effort and when you work hard. It's a doable thing."
Yup.
The governor added that, "It's just that our federal government is not doing their job. It's a shame that the private citizen has to go in there and start patrolling our borders."
And taking shit from the Civil Service weenies for it.
President Bush has denounced the Minuteman volunteers as vigilantes.
Major fuckup. Bit you in the ass, didn't it George. Paying attention, now?
U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) expressed surprise that Schwarzenegger would be "praising efforts by untrained volunteers to patrol the borders. The best course 
 would be to add an additional 2,000 border patrol agents."
Not so sure, Madame Finger-In-The-Wind. I now trust nothing that reports to the likes of you.
The leader of a Mexican American group called the governor's comments "shameful" and "nothing short of base racism. I think we're seeing the real Arnold Schwarzenegger. The mask has now fallen," said Nativo V. Lopez, state national president of the Mexican American Political Assn. "Those of immigrant stock should have no illusions about what his real sentiments and feelings are toward them."
Lol! The New Jesse Jackson - whose power exists in speaking for the illegals. No more of them or making them legal puts you out of business.
Just last week, Schwarzenegger and his aides sought to clarify his statement to a convention of newspaper publishers that the nation should "close the borders." Before his speech was over, an aide told reporters that Schwarzenegger had meant to say that the U.S. should secure its borders — not shut them down.
Should've never let the PR dick start spinning. Nothing to spin, it's the law.
Schwarzenegger has frequently sought advice from former Gov. Pete Wilson, a Republican who used the issue of illegal immigration to fuel his reelection campaign in 1994. Schwarzenegger also has hired several former Wilson staff members, including his chief of staff, Pat Clarey.
Fornicalians know the score on immigration, but so few will stand up that they seldom get to prove it.
An organizer of what is being called the "Minuteman Project," Chris Simcox, said he welcomed Schwarzenegger's endorsement. "It's gratifying to see that elected officials are responding to the will of the people," Simcox said in an interview Thursday.
Your new Best Buddy, heh.
He said there are about 15,000 volunteers who have committed to patrolling the border in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California. The group is also incorporating, assembling a staff and opening a national fundraising campaign, Simcox said. He added that he planned to call Schwarzenegger.
Like the spotlight, eh? S'okay, so does The Governator, heh.
Volunteers may carry firearms if they choose, he said, but they obey all local laws. Their practice is not to apprehend people but to report instances of illegal crossings, he said. "We don't involve ourselves in taking the law into our own hands," he said.
They did it right and it worked. Don't change a thing.
Margita Thompson, the governor's press secretary, said: "At this point, the governor does not oppose" the group coming to California.
Damned PR people. Get them away from the microphones before they screw it up. Speak for yerself, Gov.
As far as the charge of racism against the governor, she said: "It's not racist to ask the federal government to enforce its laws. Everyone should be united in wanting to protect our national security."
Say it like you mean it. Show some spine.
In his interview with KFI-AM (640), the governor said he was deeply troubled by illegal crossings and what he described as an inadequate federal effort to tighten borders. He said he was especially disturbed by footage he had seen recently on Fox News showing "hundreds and hundreds of illegal immigrants coming across the border."
As should every American.
Schwarzenegger said the nation is sending the wrong signal by making water available to migrants as a convenience.
F**kin' Duh.
Humanitarian and religious groups, such as Humane Borders and No More Deaths, provide water for immigrants crossing the border. Federal wildlife officials have provided water stations in the desert for animals but have been criticized for not providing enough for people.
Mebbe they'd be happier if there were a string of convenience stores featuring trail mix.
Said Schwarzenegger, "What we're doing basically is, by not really securing the borders, we're saying: 'Look, here are the various water stations. Here are the places where you can cross the borders. Here is where we're going to help you.' The whole system is set up to really invite people to come in here illegally, and that has to stop."
He "gets it", heh.
Enrique Morones, president of the Border Angels, an immigrant rights group, responded to the governor's comments. "I assure you, nobody is coming here for the water, and the stations we have set up by various organizations is a humanitarian effort. "We don't respond to Arnold Schwarzenegger; we respond to a higher authority. We're a nonpolitical, humanitarian organization."
Uh, huh. Higher Authority. Right. You mean Fox? You're aptly named.
Asked by the hosts of the "John and Ken Show" why Bush called the volunteers vigilantes, Schwarzenegger said: "I really cannot tell you exactly what his thinking is. I'm sure he's trying to solve the problem as well as anyone can. And he maybe has more information than you and I have. Why he has a policy about the border the way he has, I don't know. I've not had that conversation with him. "But the next time I see him, I will have that conversation."
I think it was a brain fart. I'd like to hear him retract it, no ifs ands, or buts.
Schwarzenegger's opponents in the Legislature voiced outrage at the governor's comments.
Fingers in the wind? Check.
Agenda before all else? Check.
Heads up asses? Check.

Aides to Assembly Speaker Fabian Nuñez (D-Los Angeles) said he was furious and promptly called Schwarzenegger to complain.
"I'm weally weally unhappy!"
Assemblyman Hector De La Torre, a Democrat from South Gate, blasted the governor's comments as "scapegoating and immigrant bashing. To support vigilantism is completely against the oath he took" to uphold the law, De La Torre said. "It goes way beyond normal law enforcement, normal border patrol jurisdiction. It's just off the charts. For him to say this puts him to the right of President Bush. This is completely out of the mainstream in California."
No, it doesn't, moron. It goes directly to the heart of the issue: enforcing the law.
In the same radio interview, the governor also asked a Spanish-language Los Angeles television station, KRCA-TV Channel 62, to remove a billboard it erected with the words "Los Angeles, Mexico." The governor said such sentiments — implying that Los Angeles was now part of Mexico — would encourage illegal immigration.
It's a snark, Gov. We know you get it - don't try to placate the cowards and subversives. Go on the offensive - and stay there.
Some conservatives welcomed Schwarzenegger's comments.
Heh.
"Obviously, we are very happy the governor is beginning to side more and more with those of us who have been taking the problems with illegal aliens seriously," said Mike Spence, president of the California Republican Assembly, a volunteer group. "The governor gets that illegal aliens are a problem facing California."
Big, he is. Slow, he's not. Time for that conversation with Bush you promised, Gov. And keep whacking the 'tards until all of Sacramento screams in pain and realizes the gig is up.
Posted by:.com

#30  Modest proposal: open the borders to anyone who passes a security clearance and has an advanced degree in the hard sciences, or a proven record of building multi-million dollar businesses. And shut the border to the illiterate exports of Mexico's colossal political and economic failures.
Posted by: thibaud (aka lex)   2005-04-30 11:02:50 PM  

#29  Welcome to america SwissTex. You are the kind of immigrant which we need - ones who go through the process legally and appreciate the chance to live here. I know what the process can be like (my wife is an immigrant (legal)) and it can be a real pain in the ass.

I think part of the problem is the intentional bluring of the lines between immigrants (who are here legally and have been granted immigration status) and the illegal aliens (who are *not* law-abiding 'good' people) by the MSM and the 'immigrant rights' groups who are really anti-immigrant (and pro-illegal-alien)'.

There are plenty of well skilled labor available on the market today from people who are willing to go thru the legal process if we would allow them entry.

I say shut down the borders and open up the 'legal' immigration channels a bit more to allow more law-abiding legal immigrants in to meet the labor market needs.

Unfortunately the elitist would never allow that - they would have to pay their gardeners, babysitters, cooks, housekeepers, and 'sex-industry-workers' a real wage instead of the close-to-slave-labor wages now.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2005-04-30 10:59:01 PM  

#28  I respectfully disagree, SwissTex. Lots of engineering jobs go begging. Problem is that native-born Americans refuse, for the most part, to go for engineering and other "math-is-hard" concentrations. The great blessing of LEGAL immigrants is that they're motivated to do the work that more complacent Americans can't or won't do. That includes the hard science jobs.
Posted by: thibaud (aka lex)   2005-04-30 10:27:33 PM  

#27  Thank you Thibaud.

I agree with you as far as the border controls is concerned but not about the skilled immigrants. You have enough skilled people in the US for any technical jobs but not for what I would call unskilled labour jobs.
Posted by: SwissTex   2005-04-30 10:19:08 PM  

#26  Welcome, SwissTex. We need more law-abiding legal immigrants like yourself. I believe that most legal immigrants would like to see the process improve for skilled, law-abiding immigrants AND see much tighter border controls to halt illegal immigration.
Posted by: thibaud (aka lex)   2005-04-30 9:31:22 PM  

#25  I spent about $3000.00 (Three thousand) and drove more than 200 miles through Houston, Texas, to get a green card for me and my wife and I didn't even come here to work! (I'm retired with a Swiss pension). The process is so complicated that , I, sometimes, understand the illegals.
Posted by: SwissTex   2005-04-30 9:05:08 PM  

#24  CF - not when all the vocal Latinos for open borders are Donks. Why doesn't someone ask the Hildabeast to do a Sister Souljah on teh LKa Raza movement? Do it now, when it could be a matter of principle rather than expediency (her 2nd middle name now). A movement to outrage legal immigrants (who went through a lot to be so) over those jumping the turnstiles will be the next Rovian maneuver. I just want the borders closed....now...to illegals. Sorry .com
Posted by: Frank G   2005-04-30 7:45:59 PM  

#23  It is possible to outflank the pubs when they just stand there with their hands in their pocket on this issue (which is exactly what they are doing).

Especially if another 9/11 happens because of the wide-open borders.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2005-04-30 7:27:57 PM  

#22  lex: Mark my word: if current behavior continues, this issue will definitely bite the Republicans in the ass.

As long as Hillary keeps voting the way she does, the GOP has nothing to worry about. If Hillary starts voting differently, the GOP can match her and top her moves. It's impossible to outflank the GOP on immigration, any more than it is possible to outflank the Dems on social spending.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2005-04-30 7:23:33 PM  

#21  Given the Repubs' silence and unconscionable lack of attention to this issue, do you really believe that large numbers of those concerned about border control would not shift their votes to a pro-border control Dem? nb. These are the same voters who tilted to Perot (thereby putting H's husband in the White House).

Mark my word: if current behavior continues, this issue will definitely bite the Republicans in the ass. The next election will turn on COlorado and Arizona. Win those states and you don't need Ohio.
Posted by: thibaud (aka lex)   2005-04-30 5:02:06 PM  

#20  and as the '06 re-election and '08 presidential campaigns draw nearer the Reps will have votes - on real issues or symbolic issues - that define her more than her pander-talk....
Posted by: Frank G   2005-04-30 4:55:00 PM  

#19  lex: Hilary's already moved to the center in supporting the war, and is making signs of moving more to the center on religious/social issues. I'd give two-to-one odds that she'll carve out an ooportunistically pro-border control position and try to lock up AZ and CO (nineteen EC vote between them) in short order.

Hillary's *talked* to the center. Her voting record reveals her talk to be a pack of lies.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2005-04-30 4:46:24 PM  

#18  Hilary's already moved to the center in supporting the war, and is making signs of moving more to the center on religious/social issues. I'd give two-to-one odds that she'll carve out an ooportunistically pro-border control position and try to lock up AZ and CO (nineteen EC vote between them) in short order.
Posted by: thibaud (aka lex)   2005-04-30 4:19:32 PM  

#17  What AC said. Someone on the Dem side will figure this one out--care to guess who? It's a no-brainer strategy for tilting all the mountain southwest swing states into the Dem column in the next presidential election.

Ignore the "spokesmen" for latinos. It's much more likely that most legal immigrant workingmen would support a pro-labor, pro-border control populist than oppose him. I mean, her.

When's Rove going to figure this out? After the Dems have swept the Southwest?
Posted by: thibaud (aka lex)   2005-04-30 4:16:33 PM  

#16  Correction of correction of correction... you really meant #14. That is the only one making sense, else hammock is a great idea! ;-)
Posted by: Sobiesky   2005-04-30 4:13:10 PM  

#15  correct the correction - original was right. time for the hammock.....
Posted by: thibaud (aka lex)   2005-04-30 4:07:49 PM  

#14  correction to above: should read "I'd be very surprised if a majority of legal immigrants did not oppose illegal immigration"
Posted by: thibaud (aka lex)   2005-04-30 4:07:00 PM  

#13  "Those of immigrant stock should have no illusions about what his real sentiments and feelings are toward them."

LOL. Arnold, the anti-immigrant immigrant? Try again, fool.

I'd be very surprised if a majority of legal immigrants opposed illegal immigration. Especially the thousands of legals whose wages have been devastated by the tide of illegals over the last couple decades.
Posted by: thibaud (aka lex)   2005-04-30 4:05:34 PM  

#12  The 'Pubs are vulnerable on illegal immigration. Dubya will get the credit for reviving the flagging Democratic Party if he doesn't get a grip on this, and do it fast.
The Dems are already making some tentative little noises about it, minority-racist constituencies notwithstanding. Union support means more and it is not hard to guess where they stand. Multi-cult gibberish is fine for union ideologues, but only as long as it is just propaganda. When it starts hurting them, or they can see it in the way of power, it goes out the window faster than a mugged liberal's concern for "the poor."
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2005-04-30 4:01:17 PM  

#11  The 'Pubs are vulnerable on illegal immigration. Dubya will get the credit for reviving the flagging Democratic Party if he doesn't get a grip on this, and do it fast.
The Dems are already making some tentative little noises about it, minority-racist constituencies notwithstanding. Union support means more and it is not hard to guess where they stand. Multi-cult gibberish is fine for union ideologues, but only as long as it is just propaganda. When it starts hurting them, or they can see it in the way of power, it goes out the window faster than a mugged liberal's concern for "the poor."
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2005-04-30 3:59:39 PM  

#10  The best course … would be to add an additional 2,000 border patrol agents."

My take - it's not necessarily 'finger in the wind', but rather an effort on her part to latch onto one of the few areas where she believes Dem and Repub opinions coincide. In this case, she wants 2,000 extra federal employees border patrol agents. From that viewpoint, it's easy to spot such statements (that, and for their lack of frequency).
Posted by: Raj   2005-04-30 10:26:01 AM  

#9  Enrique Morones, president of the Border Angels, an immigrant rights group, responded to the governor’s comments. "I assure you, nobody is coming here for the water, and the stations we have set up by various organizations is a humanitarian effort. "We don’t respond to Arnold Schwarzenegger; we respond to a higher authority. We’re a nonpolitical, humanitarian organization."
The higher power commands us to obey the law and respect our authorities. He also says we are not to show favoritism to either the rich or the poor...why do the illegals think they deserve preferential treatment and then try to claim the moral high ground, expecting American citizens to pay for all their unreasonable demands and expectations? It's gonna get ugly especially when the law enforcement we do have aren't even allowed to do their jobs and pick offenders up. Sheesh...show a little respect for the hand that cares for the world.

Romans 13: Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.
This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
Posted by: Danielle   2005-04-30 10:21:35 AM  

#8  sea cruse, That is another thing - we should not automatically give citizenship to those born of one or more illegal immigrant.

Only if *both* parents are Legally citizens or immigrants to the US (and not here on a student/tourist/business visa...) should the child be given natural citizenship.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2005-04-30 9:57:09 AM  

#7  bomb-0-rama

Those of illegal immigrant stock definitely shouldn't be having any illusions

And those of illegal immigrant stock are increasing yearly by leaps and bounds. Some are American born (we can never boot them) and some are illegal too. And now they want instate college tuition. The situation sucks all ways around
Posted by: sea cruise   2005-04-30 8:45:57 AM  

#6  Who's calling the shots on illegal immigration and making for the fact on the ground that we have now 20 million illegals? I say it's certain big (and not so big) business interests, not the multiculturalists who have the most political influence. Business interests are the ones the critters in Congress are listening to. Plus the Hispanic vote.
Posted by: sea cruise   2005-04-30 8:42:42 AM  

#5  Article: The leader of a Mexican American group called the governor’s comments "shameful" and "nothing short of base racism.

Actually, it's this guy who's guilty of base racism. If we're going to let Mexico establish a colony on American soil, maybe we should have an open debate about this, and let people from other countries do the same. If Mexico, why not Nigeria, Russia, Pakistan, the EU, India and China? Why only leave the Mexican border unguarded and by extension, let mostly Mexicans in? Let's invite other, equally deserving immigrants. The fact of the matter is this - if we're going to have strict immigration controls at the airports and the ports (with cross-examinations of foreign nationals entering the country), we should have equally heavy policing of the Mexican border. Anything else is discrimination in favor of Mexicans and against other foreign nationals.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2005-04-30 5:18:56 AM  

#4  Article: Enrique Morones, president of the Border Angels, an immigrant rights group, responded to the governor’s comments.

"An immigrant rights group"? No. An illegal immigrant rights group.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2005-04-30 5:13:23 AM  

#3  Calling the nation’s borders dangerously porous, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Thursday praised the private "Minuteman" campaign that uses armed volunteers to stop illegal immigrants from crossing into the U.S.

Misleading. While a number of the volunteers are armed, their weapons are not used in the performance of their duties, and their objective is only to report illegals observed to the BP; only BP officers do the apprehending.

"Those of immigrant stock should have no illusions about what his real sentiments and feelings are toward them."

Those of illegal immigrant stock definitely shouldn't be having any illusions....
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-04-30 3:48:13 AM  

#2  Am I the only one tired of hearing from these dickheads that enforcing our laws is 'racism'?

This isn't about race - I dont care if you are from alpha centari - its about LEGAL STATUS. And Enforcing FEDERAL LAWS and securing our borders.

Its also about protecting LEGAL immigrants and insuring that they have a living wage.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2005-04-30 1:09:26 AM  

#1  Arnie does have to walk a tight line. Can't be insensitive to the poor schmoes dying of thirst in the desert -- Americans are humane and don't like to see either the dying or the insensitivity. Putting the emphasis on upholding the law is right, I think.

And: what are the odds that the various Hispanic Dems flapping their gums over this really representing all the Hispanics in California?
Posted by: Steve White   2005-04-30 1:05:15 AM  

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