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Its Cool to kill Muslims — Zarqawi (frm MEMRI)
2005-06-09
The Evil of Heresy is Greater Than the Evil of Collateral Killing of Muslims

"Islamic law states that the Islamic faith is more important than life, honor, and property. Indeed, it is the most important of the five inalienable rights, [2] and their very basis, and safeguarding it takes precedence over safeguarding them. It should be noted that all of these inalienable rights can not be safeguarded except through assuring the observance of the Islamic faith...

"Interpreting His words [in the Koran, 2:191] 'Temptation [Fitna] is worse than killing,' [the commentator] Mujahid says: 'For a Muslim, apostasy into idolatry is worse than death'...

"Allah stated [in the Koran] that heresy and idolatry, according to His law and His faith, are worse than killing. This is the Koranic basis for giving the safeguarding of the [Islamic] faith precedence over the other four inalienable rights, the first of which is life. To safeguard those [other] inalienable rights by forfeiting Islam... — this is the real temptation against which Allah warns...

"The evil of the temptation of heresy and idolatry is greater than the evil resulting from the unintentional, collateral killing of Muslims [in the course of a Jihad] intended to destroy the Fitna of heresy and idolatry and to cleanse the universe of it.

"Sheikh Al-Islam ['the authority of Islam'] Ibn Taymiyya said: 'Complete piety means that man should be able to recognize the better of two good things and the worse of two evils, and that he should know that the basis of Islamic law is that one should [strive to] achieve beneficial things and perfect them and to stop evil things and diminish them...

"He [Ibn Taymiyya] also said: 'Allah made it lawful to kill people as much as necessary for the good of humanity. As He said [in the Koran, 2:217]: "The temptation [of idolatry] [fitna] is worse than killing." [This is so] because, although killing is evil and wrong, there is more evil and wrong in the temptation of heresy'..."
Posted by:Glainter Flomp7031

#17  Is there anybody Muslims Don't want to kill?
Posted by: bigjim-ky   2005-06-09 15:39  

#16  You forgot one, Old Spook....

Necessity has the face of a dog ___
Gabriel García Márquez

But Z has such a nice smile....
Posted by: Ulath Sneng3465   2005-06-09 15:36  

#15  Truer words were never spoken typed, SS.
Posted by: .com   2005-06-09 14:17  

#14  Nutters, the lot of them. Lets just hope they never get hold of nukes or we are all f...ed. Infidels and Muslims
Posted by: Shistos Shistadogloo   2005-06-09 14:14  

#13  Religion of Confusion and 1/2 truths
Posted by: Clomoter Shains6002   2005-06-09 11:47  

#12  I still love you anyways, Sheiky!
I send you kissy kissys for your purty mouth!
Posted by: Mahmoud Al-Jailbirdi   2005-06-09 11:32  

#11  what is that I hear? open discussion and debate in the muslim world about the merits of zark's position? condemnation by enlightened muslims? honest soul searching in muslim communities about what is right and good and wrong and evil about their teachings and practices?

oh. no. it's crickets. my mistake.
Posted by: PlanetDan   2005-06-09 11:26  

#10  Makes me wonder about the other side of the coin.

What if super-rich super-power Spain had taken her wealth from the New World and continued the Reconquesta into North Africa instead of tangling with Apostate European powers. I kind of think we wouldn't have an Islamic North Africa today. I kind of think the Turks could have been beaten back before they got their roots too deep into Balkan soil.

But the heretic is so much worse in the minds of a fanatic. Reminds me of the Left's reaction to George W. Bush as well.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2005-06-09 10:26  

#9  Appropo that they use the word "necessity" in their argument to justify the slaughter of the innocent.

Necessity never made a good bargain. -- Benjamin Franklin

Necessity has no law. -- Benjamin Franklin

Necessity knows no law except to conquer. -- Publilius Syrus

Feigned necessities, imaginary necessities, are the greatest cozenage men can put upon the Providence of God, and make pretences to break known rules by. -- Oliver Cromwell

And last, but best:

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. -- William Pitt
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-06-09 10:26  

#8  "Allah made it lawful to kill people as much as necessary for the good of humanity."

Adolf & Josef and I are SO proud to have been doing Allah's work: we all love that phrase "as much as neccesary", it was key to our justification of the eradication of those who were in our way.

Pay no attention to the guy with the horns & flaming pitchfork behind me...
Posted by: PolPot   2005-06-09 10:17  

#7  Whoa missed than one TomAnon! Definitely goes in the Big Golden Bokk of Muck Wizdom.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-06-09 10:02  

#6  "Interpreting His words [in the Koran, 2:191] 'Temptation [Fitna] is worse than killing,' [the commentator] Mujahid says: 'For a Muslim, apostasy into idolatry is worse than death'..."

This about sums it all up. Lots of religions have used the apostasy excuse to kill their respective apostates. The reasoning goes something like, apostates are worse than the worse infidels because they do know the word and have turned from it.

I think Mucky sums is on to something....
"mebbe we are jus need confinsen them thatn there all apostates in sum way."

Kind of why it made sense to send arms to both Iran and Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war in the 80's.
Posted by: TomAnon   2005-06-09 08:55  

#5  Looks very "nuanced" to me...
Posted by: John Fn Kerry   2005-06-09 08:41  

#4  virtually all wahabis and many salafists believe that Shiites, Ismailis, Ahmiyadas and Sufis who oppose Salafism are a class of infidels that is worse than non-Islamic infidels

this classification was part of the Salafist 'reform' during the 19th century and, if you believe that the early caliphs were pure because they practised pure and spartan islam (which is an egregiously false notion), then it is 'logical' to believe that the post 8th century sects are a threat
Posted by: mhw   2005-06-09 08:40  

#3  Wow, talk about moral relativism! This is a faith that needs some major adjustment if not abolition.
Posted by: Tom   2005-06-09 08:27  

#2  Me and Zarqawi finally agree on something.
Posted by: Destro   2005-06-09 02:22  

#1  mebbe we are jus need confinsen them thatn there all apostates in sum way.
Posted by: muck4doo   2005-06-09 01:12  

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