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Rumsfeld: Iraq bombs 'clearly from Iran'
2005-08-11
U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Tuesday that weapons recently confiscated in Iraq were "clearly, unambiguously from Iran" and admonished Tehran for allowing the explosives to cross the border. Iran's defense minister denied the claims in a report carried by the state-run news agency IRNA.
"Nope. Nope. Never happened. Wudn't us."
According to Ali Shamkhani, Iran is playing no role in Iraqi affairs, including "its alleged involvement in bomb explosions."
So I guess that settles it, huh? So you won't mind if we simply bump off anybody we see transporting them, because they'll be non-existent, too?
The shipment of sophisticated bombs was confiscated in the past two weeks by U.S. and Iraqi troops in southern Iraq, senior U.S. officials said Monday. Although he would not comment on whether the Iranian government was directly involved, Rumsfeld said, "it's notably unhelpful for the Iranians to be allowing weapons of those types to be crossing the border."
I'm sure there's some sort of plausible deniability being held in reserve in case a flat denial followed by face-making and eye-rolling doesn't work...
"What you do know of certain knowledge is the Iranians did not stop it from coming in," he said. Rumsfeld said the weapons create problems for the Iraqi government, coalition forces and the international community. "And ultimately, it's a problem for Iran," he added. When asked if that was a threat of possible retaliation, Rumsfeld replied, "I don't imply threats. You know that."

"They (the Iranians) live in the neighborhood. The people in that region want this situation stabilized with the exception of Iran and Syria," he said. The U.S. officials said the weapons were more lethal and more sophisticated than the bombs typically used by Iraqi insurgents. After examining the truckload of weapons, intelligence analysts said the explosive parts are similar to those used by Iran's Revolutionary Guard. While there is no evidence Iran's government sanctioned the weapons shipment, the analysts said it may indicate a rogue element inside Iran is making the weapons and trying to ship them to Iraq's insurgents.
That's the plausible deniability part, of course. The old "rogue element" ruse.
Troops found the bombs inside crates seized near a border crossing on the Iraqi side, the officials said. Three senior U.S. officials told CNN the weapons were made in such a way that their blast would have been focused in a single direction, thereby increasing their lethality. One official said the shipment included "tens" of bombs.
Posted by:tipper

#22  frankly I'm not a warrior, and my opinion here means little in influencing Rummy's WOT (he's doing fine without me). That does not mean I have to withhold. Nor will I
Posted by: Frank G   2005-08-11 23:55  

#21  Pack leader, please let me know when you think I am out of line. Posturing, swaggering or being a chickenhawk have never been my intention, but at times I may well need reminding where the line is. Thanks!

(This is also addressed to any of you who are/were warriors. You know who you are.)
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-08-11 23:28  

#20  War Of Testicles?

Best be careful saying things like that around all the women wearing the American uniform over there. Sgt. Mom has some amusing (to me at least) tales from her own experience, and that of her daughter Marine Cpl. Blondie (I seem to remember her being promoted, but I'm not clear on Marine rank names.), both in peace and in war.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-08-11 23:23  

#19  agreed
Posted by: Frank G   2005-08-11 21:29  

#18  Swagger? Posturing? I'd say this is more along the lines of smn having escaped the asylum again.
Posted by: Darrell   2005-08-11 20:42  

#17  nobody can do macho posturing? I'd say most here at RB are 'pro-bombing the f&ck out of Iran', yet realize other considerations prevent that ....so far.
Posted by: Frank G   2005-08-11 20:12  

#16  It's really quite interesting to hear the macho posturing coming from those who have neither to fight the battles nor make the hard decisions.

The warriors I know - real ones - don't need the swagger.
Posted by: leader of the pack   2005-08-11 19:30  

#15  I don't oppose the war 2b #11, you didn't see me anywhere near Michael Moore, or in his movie; or near Jane Fonda! If you're testing my loyalty like Poison Reverse tried to do, consider this, George Washingon is my daddy!! About the 40,000 accidents you mentioned; they don't try to take my country away from me. Iran is taking the wrong signal from Rummy, mark my words, High Noon is Coming!
Posted by: smn   2005-08-11 19:16  

#14  "#13 smn - you mean your inner confusion. I have an idea - why don't we round up all of the men, put them in concentration camps and then turn them into bread. Don't you think that's a brilliant way to get rid of all of the evil, war mongering men?"

Hey wait a minute ... wasn't there a movie called "Soylent Green" starring that dude that played Moses in which people get reduced to green crackers?
Posted by: Glolusing Flereth5459   2005-08-11 19:12  

#13  smn - you mean your inner confusion. I have an idea - why don't we round up all of the men, put them in concentration camps and then turn them into bread. Don't you think that's a brilliant way to get rid of all of the evil, war mongering men?

In fact, why don't we just kill them as soon as they are born?
Posted by: 2b   2005-08-11 19:07  

#12  Trailing Wife #6,
To reveal my inner id slightly, I don't see this as a War On Terror, but a War Of Testicles! Remove the males "Herodize", remove the problem! The only female I even remotely hold responsible for these problems is Eve! "W" is sugar coating this with his rephrasing of what I still think was an accurate statement when he said a few years ago, that this was a 'crusade' and was forced to correct himself! Islam waged a holy war on Christianity in the late 1980's!
Posted by: smn   2005-08-11 19:03  

#11  smn - if you are so concerned with body bags, why aren't you upset about the 40,000+ annual auto accidents where families die in flaming crashes? Why aren't you concerned with the millions of drug addiction related deaths? How about women and children murdered in the US in violent crimes? So apprently it's not really violent death that bothers you but just the self-righteous feeling you get by opposing the war.
Posted by: 2b   2005-08-11 18:53  

#10  My cynical outlook at times Frank, is pressured by the body bags that return to the States! My 'internal consistency' though 'cored' can be persuaded or bent by opinions and discourse from grounded individuals such as yourself!
Posted by: smn   2005-08-11 18:35  

#9  Poison Reverse> That's where you and I differ. I would have used 999 H bombs.

PR, I always thought you were a liberal.

>:>
Posted by: Red Dog   2005-08-11 14:34  

#8  smn: "internal consistency in your comments is a good thing for credibility". Write that on the board 500 times
Posted by: Frank G   2005-08-11 14:32  

#7  "I would nuke the entire Axis of Evil with 1,000 H bombs"
That's where you and I differ. I would have used 999 H bombs.
Posted by: Poison Reverse   2005-08-11 13:15  

#6  Are you sure you mean Herodize, smn? All he was supposed to have done was to kill all the male babies born in a given year. How would that advance the war on terror?
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-08-11 12:49  

#5  Poison Reverse,
don't confuse me with the idea of me being an insurgent or sympathizer; let me make myself perfectly clear on this matter (WOT)...I would rather see every man, woman and child killed in Afghanistan or Iraq if it would bring that Seal (or his buddies) back to his family! If I were King smn, I would "Herodize" the male population of those countries, If I were President smn
I would nuke the entire Axis of Evil with 1,000 H bombs and then commit suicide in office!!Understand now...Dismissed!
Posted by: smn   2005-08-11 12:19  

#4  smn,

Why don't you take of your mask off, on the SEAL video and Rummy will be glad to show you, his kindness.
Posted by: Poison Reverse   2005-08-11 11:39  

#3  Rummy is the kindest, politest, most soft spoken accuser of Iranian shenanigans I've ever heard of! Brings me to tears! He makes me believe maybe we can all, just get along!!
Posted by: smn   2005-08-11 11:35  

#2  I'm withholding a rant I just completed based upon that comment, just to be nice and give you a chance to think. Tell me, what do you believe Rummy should do with it? Right this minute, what should he recommend (he's not the CinC, after all) be done. Right this minute? What?
Posted by: .com   2005-08-11 05:51  

#1  Cajones to do something about the revelation?
Posted by: borgboy   2005-08-11 01:37  

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