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Europe
Crackdown ordered as French riots spread
2005-11-06
The French authorities have stepped up police action against youths responsible for more than a week of urban riots as the unrest spread across the country. On Saturday Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy called a meeting of police chiefs to discuss tactics as they braced for another night of violence that has so far defied all efforts to stamp it out. In a sign of the government's resolve, police said more than 250 people were arrested on Friday night alone - doubling the number of detentions recorded since the troubles first erupted on 27 October.
But did you conk them on the turbans when you arrested them?
Nearly 900 vehicles were torched that same night, making it the worst in terms of the arson attacks that have come to characterise the rampages. Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin held a crisis meeting with Sarkozy and other key ministers on Saturday, as the rioting dominated world headlines and prompted the United States and Russia to warn its citizens against travelling through Paris suburbs.
Holding a meeting is the best way to solve all problems, as we all know. Much more effective than a baton charge or rounding up the ringleaders and doing terrible things to them...
Officials were "unanimous in their firmness" in seeking an end to the violence, Sarkozy said after the meeting. "The violence is not acceptable," he told journalists.
"Not acceptable" implies you're not going to let it continue. It's now ten days old. It shouldn't have been acceptable on day one. If it hadn't been accepted on day one, we wouldn't be on day ten.
While the government acknowledged that the grim conditions in the suburbs - chronic high unemployment, racial discrimination, miserable housing, drugs - had much to do with the discontent, Sarkozy and other security officials also voiced suspicions that the unrest was being organised.
No!... Reeeeeeeally? That's never happened before, has it?
Paris prosecutor general Yves Bot told Europe 1 radio on Saturday there was "organised violence," but did not say by whom. "If I could give an exact answer, those people would already be under arrest," he said. "But we can see organised actions, a strategy."
In that case, you should start doing terrible things to the nearest cannon fodder until he/she/it tells you who you should really be looking for. Why am I getting the impression the Frenchies have forgotten how to do this?
Youths have been seen relaying police movements by mobile telephone, and have started internet weblogs urging other parts of France to join the unrest.
You see, if you catch one of the yoots with the cell phones, and you pound his kneecaps into paste with a claw hammer, he'll be happy to tell you who he was talking to. Then you go catch that guy. You do terrible things to his kneecaps or elbows for an hour or two, and he'll tell you somebody else to round up.
While deprived suburbs with large immigrant Arab and African populations on the fringes of Paris were again the scene of the worst of the riots, violence has also flared in other cities around the country - Lille, Rouen, Rennes, Toulouse, Marseille - over the past two nights. The prospect of coordinated actions is of special concern in France, given that the areas most affected by the violence are downtrodden suburbs with high concentrations of Muslims. The country is home to Europe's biggest Muslim community, estimated at more than five million, or nearly 10% of the population.
Assuming this intifadeh ends, the Frenchies might want to give some serious thought to lowering that percentage drastically. Just think of them as Albigensians.
So far, though, there has been no religious dimension given to the riots. Those taking part have spoken more of protesting against the misery of their lives in the fringe towns, where unemployment of more than 20% is the norm.
I'm sure they'd all be much happier if they were sent to live in Ratholistan. Life there is so much more Islamic.
Posted by:Fred

#28  Here's a perfect take on the rioters, from Stephen Sondheim's lyrics for West Side Story:

ACTION
Dear kindly social worker,
They say go earn a buck.
Like be a soda jerker,
Which means like be a schumck.
It's not I'm anti-social,
I'm only anti-work.
Gloryosky! That's why I'm a jerk!

BABY JOHN: (As Female Social Worker)
Eek!
Officer Krupke, you've done it again.
This boy don't need a job, he needs a year in the pen.
It ain't just a question of misunderstood;
Deep down inside him, he's no good!

ACTION
I'm no good!

ALL
We're no good, we're no good!
We're no earthly good,
Like the best of us is no damn good!
Posted by: Eric Jablow   2005-11-06 22:11  

#27  I suggest forming an EU commission immediately (i.e in the next six months) to study the problem and issue a white paper.
Posted by: DMFD   2005-11-06 19:27  

#26  I wonder how JFM's doing. I hope that he and his family are OK.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2005-11-06 16:33  

#25  Break both hands, else the crafty little buggers will band together and feed one another.
Posted by: Besoeker   2005-11-06 16:16  

#24  I'm not sure about the French, but the Danes are about ready to start cracking heads. If France actually grew a pair and started taking control away from these crackheads and religious fanatics, most of Europe would follow suit. SOMEBODY HAS TO BE FIRST! It might as well be France. If they fail, the entire western half of the continent is in danger. Poland and the Baltic states don't have many muslim immigrants yet, neither does Czech Republic, Slovakia, or Hungary. Bulgaria and Romania have an indigenous muslim population that hasn't yet given anyone too many problems. The entire former nation of Yugoslavia needs to be stomped, and HARD. I hope the Euroweenies learn before it's too late.

As for torture, Fred, the most effective torture for a muslim is to break his right hand with a ball peen hammer - several times. He can't eat with his left hand - it's unclean...
Posted by: Old Patriot   2005-11-06 16:08  

#23  3dc, I would say corded (you dont was to run out halfway thru the yoot) and a 1/2" ship auger.
Posted by: steven   2005-11-06 15:35  

#22  Frank:
A battery one like this or pneumatic or corded?
Also, what bit size?

Posted by: 3dc   2005-11-06 14:59  

#21  When's the next St. Bartholamew's Day?
Posted by: dushan   2005-11-06 12:47  

#20  you can find out a lot of information with a craftsman reversible drill and 3/8" bit
Posted by: Frank G   2005-11-06 12:44  

#19  The wine is not acceptable. The art is blasphemous against the Prophet and making cheese takes work.

Sorry, but in a short while you won't have any of them left.
Posted by: anon2   2005-11-06 11:04  

#18  I can't help my feelings of indifference. I still have visions of Dominique de Villepin following Colin Powell around while we were trying to seek support for the war in Iraq. Powell would try to seek support from a government one day and De Villepin would be there the next day trying to undermine our efforts. As far as I'm concerned I hope they burn down De Villepin's house. Just leave the art, cheese, and red wine please.
Posted by: intrinsicpilot   2005-11-06 11:01  

#17  France out of the Left Bank of the Seine!
Posted by: Eric Jablow   2005-11-06 10:09  

#16  Some of the 'rioters' have said their actions were in response to Sarkozy clamping down on drug trafficking and other organized crime in the cites. Gives credence to this analysis of street gangs and insurgency.
Posted by: lotp   2005-11-06 09:36  

#15  where the muslim youths play the part of the "oppresses paleostinians"(Tm), and the french authorities are the "Evil Zionists"(Tm).

heh! I just can't wait to see the Beserkely/Sheehan crowd with their Chiraq = Hitler signs and France out of Paris NOW! signs.

It all works, ya see, because Chiraq intends to surrender Paris on November 11 and move the government to Vichy where Chirac will rule the French territories ...as a Nazi.
Posted by: 2b   2005-11-06 09:14  

#14  "The French entity out of the occupied territories!"

"Free the Clichy-sous-Bois strip"!

"No more settlements in Evreu!"
Posted by: anonymous5089   2005-11-06 07:46  

#13  That's funny, one of my first reaction to this, apart for the concern and sadness for the thousands of homes in deep trouble because their property has been destroyed for nothing, was to think how ironic this whole thing was.

I mean, the french Enlightened Elites (pols, media, academics,...) have been pro-arab since about 38 years ago, and the coverage of the al aqsa intifada was very, very antizionist, pro paleostinian, up to the point of explicit complicty with the al dura forgery. Thus, the whole point of this was to justify the arab narratives of this war; the gvt started backpedaling on this a short while ago, since it had facilitated the spread of violent antisemitsm in France (according to police intelligence, only 7% of the antisemite violence is done by the far right, the reste being done by "disaffected mulsim youths"... french are NOT antisemite, dammit!).

So, by cavorting to the arab version of this war for political and ideological reasons (see my recent post about "de Villepin", who's a man, saying that Israel was to be a parenthesis in ME's history), official France not only has given "justifications" to the anti-jew violence, but it has also given some to the "francifada", french intifada, where the muslim youths play the part of the "oppresses paleostinians"(Tm), and the french authorities are the "Evil Zionists"(Tm).

Remember that the islamoleftist alliance has been pushing the idea of the "indigenous people" and "post colonial colonialism" : France has a colonial gestion of its muslim population, and is a colonial power on its own soil, while the true "indigenous people" of France are... the muslim migrants! And we all know that the sacred duty of an oprressed people is to free itself from colonialism...
Posted by: anonymous5089   2005-11-06 07:45  

#12  threating - It's a cross between threatening and threading.
Posted by: Angeamp Uneamp3391   2005-11-06 07:44  

#11  Time to bring in the UN. This is too serious for unilateral action on the part of one country. Allow it to simmer in the UN for 6 months or a year while threating them with resolutions. I have no doubt that with the help of the UN, the French will show the rest of us how to oppose the rape of their country in a civilized manner.
Posted by: Angeamp Uneamp3391   2005-11-06 07:17  

#10  Btw, last night official figure : 1295 burnt cars (plus some trucks, including 18 wheelers) spread all over France, and for the first time about 30 vehicles torched in Paris itself, a suburbian house was burned with an aged couple having to be rescued, a mall was ransacked, more warehouses and businesses were torched, etc, etc... again, this appears to be more like an urban guerilla playing cat-and-mouse with LE than real rioting; there is at least some organization behind it, for example the police busted a firebomb factory.
Posted by: anonymous5089   2005-11-06 07:14  

#9  Crackdown? I don't think so. The government is negotiating the handover of various territories, and working out the best way to spin this to the French public.
Posted by: Thresing Theretch7763   2005-11-06 06:54  

#8  I think that four countries (UK,US,India and Israel) should help France by creating a "roadmap to peace" - we need to get the Peace Process™ going.
Posted by: Chuck   2005-11-06 03:23  

#7  get some kind of a dialogue and resolution out of it. Then Kofi can direct traffic and caterers

The really nice hotels are pretty far away from the...er, yoots, oui? Perhaps they should meet in Cannes instead.
Posted by: Seafarious   2005-11-06 02:55  

#6  I think that we should submit this to the UNSC and get some kind of a dialogue and resolution out of it. Then Kofi can direct traffic and caterers.

BTW, what is going on in the meantime on the Cote D'Ivoire? Can they spare any troops?
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2005-11-06 02:42  

#5  
I am sure the French will start passing "resolutions" as a result of these meetings. * sigh *
Posted by: RG   2005-11-06 02:12  

#4  no religious dimension given to the riots.

Very dangerous if this becomes the accepted view. If the EUniks don't learn from burning cities, the price of insight only goes up. The era of appeasement should be over. Now.

There are poor marginalized people everywhere. At the moment, only some are organized to tear down the nations in which they live. What do they have in common, one might ask?

Islam is both a religion and an ideology of conquest. Pretending this is not so has not been working well of late. Perhaps grasping the obvious would be in order.
Posted by: Baba Tutu   2005-11-06 02:04  

#3  Ratholistan I almost crapped
Posted by: Greath Spaique9524   2005-11-06 01:17  

#2  Agreed - GREAT in-line comments, Fred, LMAO!
Posted by: .com   2005-11-06 00:59  

#1  Just think of them as Albigensians

COFFEE ALERT!!!

speaking of which... how many sniper teams are the French deploying for this Intifada?
Posted by: 3dc   2005-11-06 00:53  

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