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Great White North
Canada blames U.S. for gun violence (hint: Gun grab coming)
2005-12-28
Please ignore the Mountie in the picture; remember, firearms are banned.
TORONTO, Ontario (AP) -- Canadian officials, seeking to make sense of another fatal shooting in what has been a record year for gun-related deaths, said Tuesday that along with a host of social ills, part of the problem stemmed from what they said was the United States exporting its violence.
Because we all know Canadians aren't violent any more.
Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin and Toronto Mayor David Miller warned that Canada could become like the United States after gunfire erupted Monday on a busy street filled with holiday shoppers, killing a 15-year-old girl and wounding six bystanders -- the latest victims in a record surge in gun violence in Toronto.

The shooting stemmed from a dispute among a group of 10 to 15 youth, and the victim was a teenager out with a parent near a popular shopping mall, police said Tuesday. "I think it's a day that Toronto has finally lost its innocence," Det. Sgt. Savas Kyriacou said. "It was a tragic loss and tragic day."
Must be an election coming up in Canada.
While many Canadians take pride in Canadian cities being less violent than their American counterparts, Toronto has seen 78 murders this year, including a record 52 gun-related deaths -- almost twice as many as last year. "What happened yesterday was appalling. You just don't expect it in a Canadian city," the mayor said. "It's a sign that the lack of gun laws in the U.S. is allowing guns to flood across the border that are literally being used to kill people in the streets of Toronto," Miller said.
Next: he'll blame it on violent video games imported from America, and demand a total ban.
Miller said Toronto, a city of nearly three million, is still very safe compared to most American cities, but the illegal flow of weapons from the United States is causing the noticeable rise in gun violence. "The U.S. is exporting its problem of violence to the streets of Toronto," he said.

Miller said that while almost every other crime in Toronto is down, the supply of guns has increased and half of them come from the United States.
That means the other half were local. Doesn't that suggest that the problem is more than just guns coming from the evil neighbor to the south?
Miller said the availability of stolen Canadian guns is another problem, and that poverty in certain Toronto neighborhoods is a root cause.
Oh, I'm relieved we've gotten to the root causes!
"There are neighborhoods in Toronto where young people face barriers of poverty, discrimination and don't have real hope and opportunity. The kind of programs that we once took for granted in Canada that would reach out to young people have systematically disappeared over the past decade and I think that gun violence is a symptom of a much bigger problem," Miller said.
How in the world did social welfare programs disappear during the tenure of the Grits? Perhaps the Conservatives should be voted into power, after all, they stand for .. almost exactly the same nonsense.
The escalating violence prompted the prime minister to announce earlier this month that if re-elected on January 23, his government would ban handguns. With severe restrictions already in place against handgun ownership, many correctly criticized the announcement as politics.
Try owning a firearm legally in Canada today. Just try.
Martin, who says up to half of the gun crimes in Canada involve weapons brought in illegally from the United States, raised the smuggling problem when he met with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in October.
We patrol our side of the border, what about yours? I don't think anyone in the U.S. will have a problem if you seize smuggled guns. I just wish we knew Condi's response, but I'm guessing she was diplomatic.
Martin offered his condolences in a statement Tuesday, saying he was horrified by the shootings. "What we saw yesterday is a stark reminder of the challenge that governments, police forces and communities face to ensure that Canadian cities do not descend into the kind of rampant gun violence we have seen elsewhere," Martin said.

John Thompson, a security analyst with the Toronto-based Mackenzie Institute, says the number of guns smuggled from the United States is a problem, but that Canada has a gang problem -- not a gun problem -- and that Canada should stop pointing the finger at the United States. "It's a cop out. It's an easy way of looking at one symptom rather than addressing a whole disease," Thompson said.
This being Canada, he'll be subjected to a court ban shortly for daring to make sense.
Posted by:Frank G

#18  Me.

Actually, it was a comment on Mr. Martin exclusively. If he actually believes what he says on the subject of guns and the U.S., then his problems run a little more deeply than one might suspect.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-12-28 23:45  

#17  Just who did you think was being slighted?

Me. I'm senstive.
Posted by: Grock Wheth9241   2005-12-28 22:45  

#16  The bad guys will always have guns and other deadly things no matter what side of the border they're on, and no matter whom prevails in the WOT - many of these recognize that since 9-11 the choice for SOcialism/OWG-happy moonbats, Commies, Lefties and Anarchists-Mafiacrats, etc. is to either kill the USA, be killed by the USA, or be killed by America's enemies both domestic andor international. Canada = Lebanon-Syria > chose btwn IRAN vs US-ISRAEL > control your nation's territory or you don't, AND ALL THE MACKENZIE BROS. BEER BRANDS, BRIT TEA & BISCUITS, & FRENCH CROISSANTS IN THE WORLD OR TORONTO ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE THE MINDS OF NEITHER CANADA'S ENEMIES NOR AMERICA'S NOR OF WESTERN DEMOCRACY.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2005-12-28 21:56  

#15  BAR, Careful with the ad hominems.

Just who did you think was being slighted?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-12-28 20:44  

#14  Miller said that while almost every other crime in Toronto is down, the supply of guns has increased and half of them come from the United States.
Probably why it's called Cana-Duh, name another nation that borders Cana-Duh and has open borders?
None?
Gee what a surprise.
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2005-12-28 20:19  

#13  The change from colector to target shooter means the firearms could not be kept at home but under lock and key some place else where of course they can be gathered up without interference from their rightfull owners.
Posted by: Mahou Sensei Negi-bozu   2005-12-28 20:11  

#12  The Canucks have always been interested in American violence, exported or otherwise. During the Detroit riots in 1967, Windsor's (little Canadian burg across the river from Detroit) 50,000 watt powerhouse CKLW played "Come on baby light my fire" almost nonstop and ran a wonderful promotion called "CKLW time bomb time". Helpful fellows, eh?
Posted by: RWV   2005-12-28 19:28  

#11  Background on Martin's proposed "handgun ban":

Handguns are already banned, except for licenced gun collectors and target shooters. Martin's proposal is to get rid of the gun collector's permit, which would force gun collectors to become target shooters. What this means practically, I have no idea, but presumably target shooters keep their guns at the range, therefore theoretically no guns will be kept at home if Martin has his way. So there's your handgun "ban".

BTW, Toronto doesn't have a gun problem, it has a gang problem. And with a socialist mayor, it's never the criminals' fault...it's ours!
Posted by: Rafael   2005-12-28 17:06  

#10  BAR, Careful with the ad hominems.
Posted by: Grock Wheth9241   2005-12-28 16:33  

#9  So what I took away from the Article is that the criminals STILL have guns but the people do not. Well that sounds like a winning recipe, good luck with that.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge   2005-12-28 16:23  

#8  But I think what has happened is that the general public has realized how stupid his comments were.

It's not just Mr. Martin's comments that are stupid...
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-12-28 16:23  

#7  from what they said was the United States exporting its violence

Do we get to count that as part of the GNP? Anything to get those pesky trade deficits down.
Posted by: Dreadnought   2005-12-28 15:51  

#6  I'm not nearly so worried about the Nountie as I am with the babe with the shotgun muzzle right next to his ear.
Posted by: Grock Wheth9241   2005-12-28 15:51  

#5  The shooting stemmed from a dispute among a group of 10 to 15 youth,

I notice they pointedly do NOT state what race, nationality, religion those "Youth" are.
I for one want to know, since what we've seen so far is agression by the Muslim "Youth" followed by a extremely well publicised backlash by the "WHITE YOUTHS" (With absolutely no mention of the Muslim agression that preceded the backlash)

I'm seeing a pattern here, and disarming the general populace fits very neatly into this pattern, (make sure the Victims cannot retaliate)
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2005-12-28 15:23  

#4  More guns per capata in Canada then in the USA. They are all mostly rifles and shotguns.

Thisw is a gun grab. Not they have them all regisgtered they can pick them up. The RCMP will do as they are told. The criminals will still have guns.
Posted by: Mahou Sensei Negi-bozu   2005-12-28 15:11  

#3  PM Martins comments got a lot of press coverage because there is an election. But I think what has happened is that the general public has realized how stupid his comments were. Blaming the Americans AND banning hand guns would seem like the perfect play. But I think what happened is it caused the public to think about the issue.

There was a great cartoon in the editorial pages of a paper here that some guy mugging an elderly couple at (hand) gun-point. The eldery man said "you can't rob us. That gun is illegal." I am a big believer that editorial cartoons follow public opinion....

There is also some irony with respect to blaming the Americans on gun smuggling. We always go into a snit when the Americans say that we let terrorists into the US. One of the things we say is that we do not "let" anyone into the US. It's up to the US to decide who gets into their country....So, following that logic, it should be up to us to decide how many handguns we allow to be smuggled in. In other words, it is our problem.


Posted by: Canuck   2005-12-28 14:14  

#2  
Note no discussion of the unemployed gang youths ethnicity or religion.
Posted by: DoDo   2005-12-28 12:50  

#1  For those playing with maps, Canukistan is that part of Canada east of Saskatchewan and west of PEI, above 54'40" N and below 60' N.

So, y'know, it's not all that big.
Posted by: mojo   2005-12-28 12:26  

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