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Osama Bin Laden will never surrender, says ex-jihadi
2006-03-09
A Saudi Muslim scholar who spent years with Arab jihadis in Afghanistan said he knows Osama bin Laden well and that the Al Qaeda leader would never surrender, according to a report published Wednesday. “He will never surrender because he seeks death and yearns for it,” said Musa al-Qorni in an interview with Saudi-owned pan-Arab newspaper Al-Hayat.

He added that he believed bin Laden, the mastermind of the September 11, 2001 attacks against the United States, is at present under the sway of the “Egyptian jihad group” led by Al Qaeda’s second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahiri and acts according to its plans. Qorni said he and others tried to convince bin Laden when he was in Sudan in the mid-1990s to come back to Saudi Arabia and “lead a normal life”, but that the Saudi-born militant snubbed them and returned to Afghanistan.
I was thinking about this very subject yesterday, and started to write on it. Naturally, with such an interesting idea, I was interrupted and couldn't get back to it.

I think we've seen enough ferocious bad guyz by now to have a pretty good statistical feel for their actions when cornered. Some are assisted from the gene pool without being given the opportunity to demonstrate their "yearning for death," notably by being helizapped, so they can be dropped from the equation. Udai and Qusay fought it out to the bitter end. In Soddy Arabia they tend to shoot it out to the bitter end — one wonders, in fact, if they're given a choice in the matter.

But Sammy was found cowering in the receiving end of an outhouse and gave up. Abu Zubaydah was wounded and gave up. Khalid Sheikh Mohammad was captured in his underwear. Ramzi bin al-Shibh let the minions do the shooting, then gave up. Abdur Rehman gave up, complaining that his human rights had been violated when RAB turned off the water. Bangla Bhai managed to set fire to himself, but then he gave up. Abu Faraj al-Libbi? Captured. Mustafa Setmarian Nasar, ditto. Abd al-Hadi al-Iraqi, captured. Hambali, captured. Hassan Ghul, captured. Mohammed Naeem Noor Khan, captured. Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani ("Foopy"), also captured. Louai Sakra, captured.

Are we getting the impression that "You'll never take me alive, coppers!" only applies to the lower ranks? I think that when Binny's finally cornered his feet will turn out to be the same fine grade of clay as Sammy's. Same with Zawahiri, and same with Zarqawi. You heard read it here first.
Posted by:Fred

#18  Lol, Simply Disingenuous can't get anyone to play with him. :-)

The truth is that the greatest danger does, indeed, come from within. Our external foes are a weak, sappy, mix of dismal failures in an alliance of convenience.

I think Hunter got it right. Against the wall right.
Posted by: .com   2006-03-09 23:17  

#17  they're not worse than Bin Laden - they're just anti-american in a lesser sense. No wonder JC/LA/Cassini didn't gt it....they're part and parcel of the same worthless group. No f*&kin patience tonight for sh&theads
/rant
Posted by: Frank G   2006-03-09 23:04  

#16  Got to agree w. #14 - we can't heap scorn on the left for saying Bush is worse than Osama or Hitler, and then turn around and say the same thing 'bout the left.

How 'bout Lefty X is worse than Ted Kennedy.
Posted by: DMFD   2006-03-09 21:53  

#15  Â“He will never surrender because he seeks death and yearns for it . . .”

Well, we wouldn't want to disappoint him, would we? Send him on down into our neighborhood. We got something for him that he's gonna just love.

(And afterwards we're gonna have a porkrib barbeque to celebrate. Everyone invited)
Posted by: ex-lib   2006-03-09 16:43  

#14  Mr. Hunter:

In post#5 You state your list of people are more dangerous than Osama bin Laden.

Would you care to explain how so?
Posted by: Just Curious   2006-03-09 16:30  

#13  A large number of Americans surrendered to the Japanese on the Batan Peninsula and Corregidor. Large numbers of Brits and Aussies at Singapore.
Posted by: Throlulet Graviling7296   2006-03-09 13:30  

#12  the WWII Japanese army was arguably the most fanatic army in history, and even they surrendered at the end.

OK, so how many Americans surrendered to the Japanese? Does that make us bigger fanatics? And what is the ratio of American surrenders to Jihadi surrenders in the current conflict? That's a number the Jihadis might want to spend some time contemplating as they evaluate the effectiveness of publicly executing hostages. These nuts have not fully realized the implication of creating an implaccable, indefatigable enemy.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2006-03-09 10:29  

#11  At this point Bin Laden may be more of a liability for the Jihad than an asset.

To keep him alive and active, several dozen, maybe several hundred jihadis have to hunker down where ever they are, provide security, provide logistics, provide medicine, whatever.

With Bin Laden dead, these jihadis could actually do jihad.
Posted by: mhw   2006-03-09 10:15  

#10  Good. I don't want him to surrender.
Posted by: BH   2006-03-09 09:58  

#9  And speaking of WWII, Osama himself reminds me of the kamikaze pilot who flew 37 missions: he was involved but not committed.
Posted by: Matt   2006-03-09 08:21  

#8  There's a considerable difference between running your mouth about fighting to the death and actually doing it.

In 1943 the USMC and USN took Tarawa at the cost of about 1100 Americans KIA. Of the roughly 5,000 Japanese defenders, 17 surrendered. (Not that the Marines were especially interested in taking prisoners at the end.)

Now imagine that Khalid Sheikh Mohammad (a/k/a "The Unshaven Lion of Islam in His Underwear") had been defending Tarawa. "Whoa, Marine dudes, we didn't think you were actually going to shoot at us! Hold up a minute, will ya, while I pack some things I'm gonna need at Gitmo."

This ties in to one of the left's favorite memes that I call the "Infinite Jihadis Theory." Under this theory, there's really no point in fighting the terrorists 'cause, you see, that will just make them mad and more terrorists will pop up and they're all willing to die for Islam so let's just make nice with them instead. But historically, very few units above platoon size have fought to the death if they had the alternative of surrendering or running away (which is why "Last Stands" like Thermopylae or the Alamo are so memorable.)

To put it differently, the WWII Japanese army was arguably the most fanatic army in history, and even they surrendered at the end. Compared to the WWII Japanese army, the jihadis look look a vicious but disorganized boy scout troop. There's just no reason to suppose that they won't crack if we just have the persistence to keep putting the screws to them.
Posted by: Matt   2006-03-09 07:55  

#7  Of what value is bin Laden alive to us? What are the liabilities of having him live another 40 years?
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2006-03-09 07:22  

#6  Howard UK, nah....he's off searching for the hidden imam or something like that. Yup. Or, wait...it's part of his secret plan to lead coalition forces all over the globe looking for him. He's not scared. Don't read anything like that into his ever more somber "messages to the faithful". Heavens, no.
Posted by: Desert Blondie   2006-03-09 06:53  

#5  Rockefeller, Kennedy, Kerry, Pelosi, Reid, Leahy, Schumer, Clinton, Carter, Wesley Clark, Richard Clarke, Sandy Burger, Scheurer, Joe & Valerie, Aldrich Ames, Robert Hanssen...

All except the last two are still at large, not to mention substantially more dangerous.

Focus.
Posted by: hunter   2006-03-09 05:14  

#4  This pin dick will surender unless someone is tasked to take him out in his personal bodyguards. Dying is for the peons.
Posted by: SPoD   2006-03-09 03:56  

#3  For someone who seeks and yearns death he buggered off sharpish at Tora Bora.
Posted by: Howard UK   2006-03-09 03:48  

#2  Being wanted Dead Or Alive means that he doesn't have to worry about his final destiny, It's been decided for him. He may not even get the opportunity to say how he will die. It has to agitate Binny that "W" still has that photo of him near, with a red marker even closer!! Ohh, and the silver platter!
Posted by: smn   2006-03-09 01:43  

#1  
yep, and Zark was taken into custody last year sometime? but the slimemold was released by a stroke of WTF. grrrr

Behold lions shitheads of Islam.
Posted by: RD   2006-03-09 00:56  

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