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Iraq
US Army in Jeopardy in Iraq
2006-03-13
Gary Hart represented the State of Colorado in the United States Senate from 1975 to 1987. In 1984 and 1988, he was a candidate for his party's nomination for President (which ended when he was photographed with a bimbo on his lap).

In 1812, Napoleon Bonaparte invaded Russia and, after success at the battle of Borodino, marched on and occupied Moscow. Napoleon and his generals took over the palaces of the court princes and great houses of the mighty boyars.
No doubt a reference to US troops camping in Saddam's palaces
Sadly for Napoleon, the Russians had different plans for their nation. Within days after abandoning their city to the French army, they torched their own palaces, homes, enterprises, and cathedrals.
The looting and burning of Baghdad after our invasion are the same thing, I guess
They burned Moscow down around Napoleon. Denied his last great triumph, the disappointed emperor abandoned Moscow and started home. Along the way, he lost the world's most powerful army.
So, we need to watch out or we'll get caught in the Brutal Iraqi Winter?
Recently one of Islamic Shi'ites' most revered sites, the golden mosque at Samarra, was destroyed by sectarian enemies. By this act and the reprisals that followed, Iraq moved a substantial step closer to civil war. Though a remote, but real, possibility, an Iraqi civil war could cost the United States its army.
Very remote, but by all means, continue..
Hopefully, leaders are planning for this possibility. If sectarian violence escalates further, US troops must be withdrawn from patrol and confined to their barracks and garrisons.
Pentagon has already said Iraqi forces will take the lead, we'll provide backup.
Mass transport must be mustered for rapid withdrawal of those troops from volatile cities in the explosive central region of Iraq.
"Run away!"
Intensive diplomatic efforts must be focused on preventing an Iraqi civil war from spreading to Iran, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Syria.
Well, Jordan would be bad. Civil war in Saudi Arabia, Iran and Syria would boost popcorn sales in the Rantburg lunch room
Such a potential could make the greater Middle East a tinder box for years, if not decades, to come.
"could make"? It's been a tinderbox for centuries!
But the first concern must be the safety of US forces. It is strange to contemplate the possibility that the greatest army in world history could be slaughtered in a Middle East conflagration.
Very strange, only a dimocrate would contemplate it.
But prudent commanders have no choice but to plan for this danger.
Well, sure. We always plan for everything
In greatest danger are the units in the Sunni central region cities. They are in real jeopardy if tens of thousands of angry Sunni and Shi'ite citizens, supported by their sectarian militias, surround and then overrun those units before they can be withdrawn.
In a real Iraqi civil war, tens of thousands of angry Shi'ite, supported by their sectarian militias, would be attacking Sunni citizens, who would be running to our troops for protection. Anyone wanting to try and overrun our troops will get wacked.
The United States lost one war not too long ago in Vietnam.
From Napoleon in Moscow to Vietnam, you just knew he'd make that leap
Conditions are taking shape that could result in the same outcome in Iraq.
We've got the same Democrat's calling for us to cut and run, the same liberal press calling our troops war criminals, etc...
Not to plan now for this apocalyptic possibility would be tantamount to criminal neglect on the part of our political and military leadership.

A major part of the dilemma we have created is the result of failure to know the history and complex culture of Iraq. As we refused to learn from the French experience in Indochina, we also failed to learn from the British experience in Iraq.
You mean the British tactic of making countries as they went, drawing up borders without regard for tribal divisions, creating puppet governments with a hand-picked strongman, and setting the stage for future conflicts? Those tactics?
We are on the cusp of religion and antique hatred overtaking whatever latent instincts toward democracy we may have relied on or tried to instill. We face the reemergence of 11th-century Assassins and 17th-century ethnic fundamentalism arising to replace a century of ideology -- imperialism, fascism, and communism.
Uh, Gary? What do you think we've doing there if not fighting those 11th-century Assassins, now called Taliban, al-Qaeda, etc?
The character of warfare and violence is being transformed. The warfare of the future is not World War II, or even Korea or Vietnam. It is Mogadishu and Fallujah -- low-intensity conflict among tribes, clans, and gangs. We are not prepared for that kind of warfare.
Don't get out much, do you Gary?

The United States is in danger of finding combat forces trapped in a civil war that they cannot prevent, control, or win. America's army is in danger, and that danger is possibly just around the corner.
"DOOM! QUAGMIRE! VIETNAM! MOSCOW!"
Posted by:Steve

#18  all the US has to do is forget pc bullshit and release the full combat potential - a little med-evil.
Posted by: Hupaviper Flaique8373   2006-03-13 22:54  

#17  Eeeeeeeew, UE. There's a mental image I don't need! The only image worse is Hillary in dominatrix outfit whipping the man-breasted Senator from Massachusetts.
Posted by: BA   2006-03-13 22:31  

#16  A joke from the time that stil works...

"What is the difference between Republican women and Democrat women?

Republican women give their heart to Bush; Democrat women give their bush to Hart."
Posted by: Ulaigum Ebbereck6419   2006-03-13 20:44  

#15  Hart was overrated as a Senator since then he's been overrated as a washed up has been
Posted by: Frank G   2006-03-13 19:51  

#14  how the Apache continued to kick the Army's ass in Texas and the New Mexico territory

In fact, the Apache War in the southwestern US lasted for over 20 years. In many ways, it was a classic guerilla war/insurgency campaign against a not very professional (at the time and in many cases, not all) US Army.

About the only group the Apaches had any real respect for were the famed Buffalo Soldiers - a mixed race regiment (mostly black) led by white officers. From all accounts, the Buffalo Soldiers learned how the Apache guerillas worked and emulated them - including their ruthlessness.

A guerilla war/insurgency lasting 20 years is unheard of today, right? Right? Hellooo...

Sorry, forgot about Afghanistan, Sudan, Congo, Malaysia, Phillipines, etc., etc.

Once the US Army gets it's act together and acts ruthlessly to root out and destroy the guerillas, tere's still not a force on earth that can withstand them. Unfortunately, it would appear we have failed to learn from history.

Posted by: FOTSGreg   2006-03-13 17:37  

#13  I see he's back sippin' the sauce on the Monkey Business.
Posted by: DoDo   2006-03-13 17:10  

#12  Everytime the terrorists try a "surround and overrun" scenario, the US piles the enemy dead up around the US positions and loses maybe 1 or 2 dead and 6 or 7 wounded. Meanwhile, the terrs lose 50-100 dead and 200-300 wounded. How is this an effective military strategy on the part of the terrs?
Also, the Sunnis had better pray to any available god that the US does NOT pullback from active patrols in the Sunni zones -- that only leaves Shia and Kurdish troops to patrol there. Think that the Iraq police and military have a problem with anti-Sunni death squads now, just let the restraining hand of the US get removed.
Posted by: Shieldwolf   2006-03-13 16:47  

#11  This reads like Monty Python's duck-witch sketch, but without the airtight logic.
Posted by: Perfessor   2006-03-13 14:32  

#10  Al-Sadr's neighborhood defenses were breached by Sunni terrorists, yesterday. As for the Sunnis, intelligence followed by combat operations with large Iraq Army participation, has reduced the terror groups to barely connected cells. If a large group did manage to trap US troops, they would be wiped out by heavy bombers.
Posted by: Listen To Dogs   2006-03-13 14:29  

#9  surround and then overrun those units before they can be withdrawn.

And now let me introduce you to Mr. Hart's new speechwriter, Baghdad Bob.
Posted by: Matt   2006-03-13 13:54  

#8  Those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it and are usually having problems with practical math too.
Posted by: 6   2006-03-13 12:59  

#7  thank you, Sen Hartpence (D-Quagmire)
Posted by: Frank G   2006-03-13 12:53  

#6  Democrat political success depends upon American failure.

That'd make a good bumpersticker.
Posted by: SLO Jim   2006-03-13 12:29  

#5  If sectarian violence escalates further, US troops must be withdrawn from patrol and confined to their barracks and garrisons. Once you do that you give up the initiative to the enemy. He can move anywhere at will and knows what's going on while you sit in a fortified place and are blind and unable to influence events outside the walls of your bunker. A losing strategy from a loser.
Posted by: Deacon Blues   2006-03-13 11:58  

#4  "Those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it."

Those who learn the wrong things from history are doomed to sound like educated idiots.
Posted by: Xbalanke   2006-03-13 11:55  

#3  Democrat political success depends upon American failure.

Posted by: Robert Crawford   2006-03-13 11:54  

#2  Hey Gary,

You hail from Colorado. Did they ever teach you the regional history. You know how the Sioux north of you kick the Army's ass at Rosebud and Little Big Horn or how the Apache continued to kick the Army's ass in Texas and the New Mexico territory? If we had wonder hand wringers like you and your Democratic brethern, the aboriginals would still own the area. However, after many years of set backs, lack of strategic goals, constant change over in policies, somehow we ended up with a few states out the area and the 'insurgents' defeated. It takes time. There is no McDonalds in real nation building. Meanwhile, you might want to learn your own country's history before telling us about the Europeans, who don't have much of a great record in recent years on cleaning up their own mess.
Posted by: Glomogum Clock4849   2006-03-13 11:45  

#1  This guy's still alive?
Posted by: tu3031   2006-03-13 11:10  

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