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Iraq
One soldier likely beheaded, U.S. military says
2006-06-22
At least one and possibly both of the soldiers who were mutilated and killed in Iraq last weekend was beheaded, a U.S. military official said Wednesday. The description by the official, who was in Washington, confirmed fears raised by other U.S. and Iraqi officials who have said the men's bodies showed signs of brutal treatment. The official requested anonymity because the final report on the bodies' conditions has not been formally released.

On Tuesday, after Iraqi officials disclosed that the bodies were found, the Shura Council posted a web statement saying that the successor to slain Iraqi al-Qaeda leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi had “slaughtered” the soldiers. The language in the statement, which could not be authenticated, suggested the group was saying the men were beheaded.

The remains of the two soldiers were expected to arrive Wednesday at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware for DNA testing to positively identify them. The bodies are believed to be of Private 1st Class Kristian Menchaca, 23, of Houston, and Private 1st Class Thomas Tucker, 25, of Madras, Ore. The two soldiers disappeared after an insurgent attack at a checkpoint by a Euphrates River canal, 20 kilometres south of Baghdad, that killed another U.S. soldier. The U.S. military recovered the bodies Tuesday in an area it said was rigged with explosives. It took troops roughly 12 hours to get to the bodies, said a second U.S. military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the details have yet to be released. An Iraqi official said the Americans were tortured and killed in a “barbaric” way.
That's because the men who killed them are barbarians.
Posted by:Fred

#16  BH6 - Bingo. There aint jack squat that happens in Hadji-town withou the local sheik having a finger in it someplace. Its his uncle's cousin's friend Habib, or his brother's grandson's cousin form the same village that gets the contracts - and peels some of it back to the local Honcho. You can;t friken sneeze in any neighborhood without the locals knowing about it and the Shiek approving it - the only exception is some of the more ghetto places where the Warlords/Mullahs run things like Al Sadr's gang. And even then they tend to do so thru a cutout Sheik.

Been there, seen how it works.

Sniper Hotel still there? Should have flattened everything in a 500m radius on that sumbitch.

How about the place that you can see into Balad from - they ever get that a*hole Colonel off his duff and replace him with someone that knew base security? Hell, the goats and farmers would go thru the wire there since he was only using 3 strand. And they built the fence downslope for the natural berm instead of on top it, fergawdsake.

I still say what we need to do is:

Build a series of functional modern small towns that can support residences for about 20,000. with real sewers, underground utilities (phone, power - no more wires and shit hanging over every alleyway), wide streets, etc. Police stations fortified and in controlling positions. Design these cities and apartments to be patrollable, and have a connected business area for the local souk and other hadji-mart shit. And a couple of mosques just to be nice - ones with THIN walls, and NO windows or on-site storage.

Then find the palces you want in indian country, put out notices that they have 48 hours to get their shit ready to leave, block by block. Cordon at 24 hours, nobody gets in or out. We roll up 5tons, load their stuff on, and transport each family in a different direction to a different relocation town.

Then you level all the buildings you just evac'd, doze them with a D9, and cover with packed gravel. Repeat until the city ceases to exist - and the tribes have been torn and relocated into several places VERY far apart - and each of those places has a mix of different tribes.

This smashes the tribalism, forces them to cooerperate,a nd puts themin a securable and sustainable place. And it completey destroys the social fabric these leeches live off of, the Shieks and their fithy Arab ways.
Posted by: Oldspook   2006-06-22 22:22  

#15  I'm with selective elimination. Let the Iraqi army tell the sheihks they are personally responsible for any harm that comes to our forces or the Iraqi army. Follow up with some selective disappearances when IEDs occur. Word will get out
Posted by: Frank G   2006-06-22 22:12  

#14  I'm going to tend to agree w/Rat. If any of you have been there, the villagers know what goes on w/in their particular city limits. Not too much happens w/out at least the tacit approval of the local sheik (pronounced "shake") or strongman. If an IED is set near a neighborhood - most of the folks in that neighborhood damn well know about it. It could be time for some very selective Genghis Khanisms along w/the applicable media blackouts - led by Iraqi Army. Parts of Ramadi comes immediately to mind. Especially by that shithole hotel off MSR Michigan.

I would go on to say that we need to approach them much the same as Winfield Scott did w/the local Mexican strongmen in 1847 on his march to the Mexican citadel. He held the strongmen fiscaly responsible for every attack by the local guerillas on his supply lines and pickets. Scott told them that he would not hold the poor Mexican peasants responsible for their "Jeffes" inability to keep his own banditos in line.

Posted by: Broadhead6   2006-06-22 21:38  

#13  I agree with OS and others. I have watched as my own view of islamo-fascism, and islam in general evolve during the past 41/2 years. I am very cynical about dealing with islamists who claim to be, or are sympathetic to those that are anti-west.

We talk about building a building a wall along the US-Mexico border. I think we should also declare a 5 mile buffer along the Iran-Iraq, and the Syria-Iraq border. In that zone we should build a "wall" of landmines...and declare it a free fire zone from sunset til sunrise.

I think we should also do the same thing along the ratline-passes along the Afghan-Pakistan border. Litter the major ratlines with 1000s of real and fake landmines.

A million taliban are not worth even a single soldier, sailor, or marine's life. These cockroaches are subhuman and will never, ever change.

I also think we should scatter
Posted by: anymouse   2006-06-22 20:02  

#12  Sit on it Potsie!
We're fantasizing here.
Posted by: Uloluns Thelet2947   2006-06-22 17:46  

#11  Just because they had a few freaks doesn't mean you can start doing entire villages! The idea is to win the war and I don't think a series of massacres will in anyway help.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2006-06-22 14:39  

#10  Not just captured terrorists. Entire communities there who enable and protect. These people are members of these communities. They should be extinguished. Completely. No press coverage. if an Al-Jiz news crew comes in, drop a JDAM directly on top of them.
Posted by: SOP35/Rat   2006-06-22 11:53  

#9  As they sow, so should they reap.

Any captured terr gets the same treatment: eviscerated and strangled with their own intestines.
Posted by: Oldspook   2006-06-22 11:02  

#8  These are the "Noble Freedom Fighters" that BBC and MSN are so enamored with. Animals that capture and torture to death two wounded privates. I think we should visit it back on them a thousand fold. Let them live in their hovels, let them eat their own sh*t for all I care. They are sub-human and therefore have no claim to human rights.
Posted by: bigjim-ky   2006-06-22 10:06  

#7  When you have to use DNA to id a body, the mutilation had to be something out of CSI.
Posted by: Glish Chaith1878   2006-06-22 08:55  

#6  Great point ... thank you.
Posted by: doc   2006-06-22 08:06  

#5  'Go mongol' on the liberals instead. Getting tempting in the UK too...
Posted by: Howard UK   2006-06-22 07:45  

#4  A succinct statement on what the terrorists did, should be sufficient. Leave the morbid speculators to their morbidity, and retaliate hundred fold.

I don't know, in a sound mediatic and political environment, that barbaric aspect should be played to the max in a non-partisan way (they were foremost american soldiers) to illustrate what kind of ennemy is being fought there, and to generate genuine sympathy for theses men; instead, their deaths will be used a a tool by the liberals.

Otherwise, I fully agree with the hundredfold, but alas, I don't see the USA going mongol on them.
Posted by: anonymous5089   2006-06-22 04:13  

#3  A succinct statement on what the terrorists did, should be sufficient. Leave the morbid speculators to their morbidity, and retaliate hundred fold.
Posted by: Shurt Angaimble9728   2006-06-22 04:00  

#2  Fabrizio Quattrocchi, one of the first western hostages to be executed in Iraq, was not shown in a propaganda snuff movies because he died valliantly, defying his captors while about to be shot in the head ("I'll show you how an italian dies!").
Not to belittle the pain and horror theses two poor men endured, and to make "bigger-than-life" assumptions about them, but I can't help thinking the reason they were not shown in such a snuffie themselves may be similar, IE they didn't die like good dhimmis. That would be somehow comforting, I'd say.
Posted by: anonymous5089   2006-06-22 03:54  

#1  FREEREPUBLIC.com reports that kidnapped Russian diplos may had been [deliberately]killed.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2006-06-22 03:19  

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