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Fifth Column
California Muslims seething over support for Israel
2006-07-25
The Muslims of California have been outraged by a highly partisan Sunday rally led by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and Los Angeles mayor Antonio Villaraigosa in support of Israel. “We’re all here to do one thing, and that is to support the state of Israel,” Schwarzenegger said, noting that he first travelled to Israel as a bodybuilder and has been back many times since. “Any nation has the right to defend itself against terrorism,” he added, according to the Los Angeles Times. “We’re here to affirm the basic truth that there can be no peace without security,” Villaraigosa said.

At a counter-rally a block away, about 100 protesters waved Palestinian flags and banners with slogans that included “Jews against Israeli terrorism.” Earlier, local representatives of nine major Islamic groups met to plan a unified response to the escalating conflict and to counter what they see as a pro-Israeli bias in US politics and the media. They argued that the massive destruction in Lebanon would not bring peace and would jeopardise US interests in the region. “We do not have any sympathy for any of these groups, Hamas or Hezbollah,” said Maher Hathout, chairman of the Islamic Centre of Southern California. “But supposing those guys really are the bad guys, by no stretch of the imagination does that justify what is going on now.”

The newspaper reported that the Middle East fighting has strained local interfaith ties, especially among traditional allies on the religious left. Rabbi Steven Jacobs, an active proponent of interfaith activity, said he was offended by a Christian petition urging an immediate ceasefire and criticising the US government’s “cynical, inhumane and uncritical support of Israel’s military actions in Lebanon”.

The petition acknowledged Hezbollah’s threat to Israel and called for the militia’s disarmament but asserted that Israel’s response “lacks all proportionality” and that “the sovereignty of Lebanon has been trampled in the Israeli rush into escalation”.

Some Jews have also criticised Israel. David N Myers, UCLA professor of Jewish history, expressed concern that the Israeli response was “disproportionate and might be counterproductive”. He said a shorter, more focused attack on Hezbollah, combined with international pressure to disarm the Shiite militia, could have been a reasonable alternative. But that view is dwarfed by the sentiment among most in the local Jewish community that Israel needs to do whatever it must to neutralise Hezbollah once and for all, the Los Angeles Times reported.
Posted by:Fred

#28  One puts out the wild-fire near one's house first. Then one worries about the fire on the other side of the mountains.
Posted by: Fordesque   2006-07-25 23:46  

#27  "Beirut proper" is was host to Hizzie headquarters.

So what? I'd argue the headquarters are actually in Syria and Iran. And from what I've seen, Israel wasn't only interested in Hezbollah headquarters in Beirut.

this is a classic case of "you started it, we'll finish it."

This won't finish anything. This is just a skirmish.

The Lebanese should have cleaned out the Hizzies years ago. Now the Israelis have been forced to do it for them.

Again, you're assuming this is the battle. But it isn't. Why? Because Syria and Iran didn't bite (at least not yet).

It was a nice try though.

Israel will begin to backdown shortly. Repeat in 4 years.
Posted by: Hupuse Snamp6542   2006-07-25 22:44  

#26  Sea, I didn't know Greenwald read Rantburg
Posted by: Scott R   2006-07-25 22:23  

#25  HS - "Beirut proper" is was host to Hizzie headquarters.

You want to blame someone for ALL the damage to Lebanon, blame the Party of Allah.

As surprising as it may be to the Hizzies, this is a classic case of "you started it, we'll finish it."

The Lebanese should have cleaned out the Hizzies years ago. Now the Israelis have been forced to do it for them.

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas Lie down with terrorists, get up dead.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2006-07-25 22:21  

#24  Jews against Israeli terrorism

Anti semites. And they wonder why some hate them so much.


Why does one have to be an anti-semite in the eyes of some when criticizing Israel? The problem with what Israel is doing now, right or wrong, is that in the long run it will not change anything. If they want to move in to southern Lebanon and stay there, fine. But in this case making enemies of those in Beirut proper doesn't help them. There. Am I now an anti-semite?
Posted by: Hupuse Snamp6542   2006-07-25 22:13  

#23  Fred has the keys to the troll closet, we'll let him 'disappear' the impostor. I expect the UN Special Rapporteur for Sock Puppetry will be forced to denounce us.
Posted by: Seafarious   2006-07-25 16:21  

#22  Probably cluelessness, not malice; he's been warned before but probably didn't see the warnings.
Posted by: Flinelet Angavitle5908   2006-07-25 16:06  

#21  God that sucks. What a scumbag to use someone else's nick.
Posted by: mcsegeek1   2006-07-25 15:54  

#20  To the person with IP 208.252.196.130 calling himself "Sock Puppet of Doom" --

Name-spoofing is not allowed here on the Burg. The person with IP 24.161.211.173 has used this name here on the Burg for a couple years (at least). Please pick a different name, as this one is taken. Further infractions will result in banning your IP address.

AoS (moderator)
Posted by: Steve White   2006-07-25 15:46  

#19  Will the real SPOD please stand up. Then the mods can sink trap the imposter.
Posted by: 49 Pan   2006-07-25 15:24  

#18  Look Moron quit using my name. I even have the sockpuppetofdoom.com registered. You are a total jerk. Stop it.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2006-07-25 15:14  

#17  I have a lot of friends, acquaintances and co workers who are Iranian.
The depth of their anomosity toward the Mullahs is unfathomable. I am told often by them that it would not take much of a spark to set off a BIG civil war in Iran.
Many of them come back from Iran with stories of beatings and arrests and other heavy handed actions by the mullahs' private police forces which are not part of the government. They say that hundreds die every year from beatings and torture. HEY Does that mean Iran gets to host and chair the next UN conference on Human Rights?
Anyway, this odd lot of jihadists that are "seething" over support for Isreal are not even a decimal place on the number of expats who wish that Isreal would bomb Syria and Iran so they can go home.
Of course the lefts newly fashionable anti- semitism is palatable in the demands for a cease fire. I think it goes back to the fact that Isreal believes in sovereignty and national defense and doesn't buy into this multinationalism, world without borders bunk that the UN and the limp dicks in the world's diplomatic corps are trying to feed everyone.
Some of these clowns in the UN are beyound help or common sense......I mean viagra and classical philosophy won't fix these morons.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2006-07-25 14:56  

#16  California is home to many, if not most, of the Iranians who left Iran after the fall of the Shah. I don't know the exact figure, but probably over 500,000, most in the LA area.

Very few support the current Iranian regime or its clients. Note that there were all of 100 counterprotesters at the rally.

All of them that I have known are very good people.
Posted by: DoDo   2006-07-25 11:35  

#15  To the outraged California muzzies: Get the f*ck out of the US. We don't want you here. You heard me. Get the f*ck out.
Posted by: mcsegeek1   2006-07-25 11:26  

#14  Why no TM on seething in the title? Surely you wouldn't want to imply that seething as entered the public domain.
Posted by: Odysseus   2006-07-25 11:17  

#13  'disproportionate response' says a lot about the left. Their soul is tissue paper.
Posted by: wxjames   2006-07-25 11:01  

#12  "David N Myers, UCLA professor of Jewish history, expressed concern that the Israeli response was “disproportionate and might be counterproductive”." Sounds like a very balanced class curriculum, must be very popular with Paleos, Jihadis, and NeoNazis.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge   2006-07-25 10:34  

#11  Well then send their goat humping, little boy loving asses back to the fucking pit of the middle east where they belong.

Or deport them to Mexico after a wall is built. Either way.
Posted by: DarthVader   2006-07-25 07:53  

#10  Does it strike anyone as interesting that Arabic has more words for varying degrees of conflict than Eskimos have words for snow?

Good point, gorb! They also seem to experience more degrees of humiliation and seething than the average non-Muslim, too.
Posted by: Swamp Blondie   2006-07-25 07:33  

#9  The left looks at Jews who support ceasefire, paleos, etc and say "see....even THEY agree with us." The real issue is that Jews debate, view issues from all sides and think (and some conclude stupid things).

Where are ANY muslims who support Israel? Where are ANY muslims who hate the suicidal arab regimes? Where are ANY muslims who are repulsed by suicide bombs?

They simply follow, single file, kneejerk. No consideration of the facts. No thinking. No deliberation.

I respect the wrongheaded Jews more than the sheep muslims (but I hate them too!).
Posted by: PlanetDan   2006-07-25 07:21  

#8  Hey, it's Rabbi Jacobs!!!

And Gérard Oury who has just been buried! Is that an example of acausal jungian synchronicity, or what?
Posted by: anonymous5089   2006-07-25 05:27  

#7  Rabbi Steven Jacobs, an active proponent of interfaith activity, said he was offended by a Christian petition urging an immediate ceasefire and criticising the US governmentÂ’s “cynical, inhumane and uncritical support of IsraelÂ’s military actions in Lebanon”.


Wanna bet that came from the more liberal Christian churches?
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2006-07-25 05:18  

#6  Does it strike anyone as interesting that Arabic has more words for varying degrees of conflict than Eskimos have words for snow?
Posted by: gorb   2006-07-25 04:09  

#5  Explain the signifiance of 4 million people as a Hirabah against America. Report to me when you want to be serious.
Posted by: newc   2006-07-25 03:59  

#4  Jews against Israeli terrorism

Anti semites. And they wonder why some hate them so much.

I can't help but think that it is easy to get away with badmouthing your own religious group because people assume you know what you're talking about simply because you belong to the group. That's all fine and dandy, but how much do these people really care about the human rights of terrorists, their supporters, and their enablers? They've gotta go, and sometimes you have to do what you have to do in order to avoid greater problems down the road. Maybe these people figure "if these guys win and I said something in support of them, maybe they won't hurt me or mine." Personally, I don't think the extremists could care less as long as you make their job easier for them before they come to kill you last.

“We do not have any sympathy for any of these groups, Hamas or Hezbollah,” said Maher Hathout, chairman of the Islamic Centre of Southern California. “But supposing those guys really are the bad guys, by no stretch of the imagination does that justify what is going on now.”

OK, genius, how would you get rid of them? Plans with ironclad guarantees such as "OK to nuke us if it fails" only, please.
Posted by: gorb   2006-07-25 03:47  

#3  I would rather that they hate us from a distance. Like from Yemen or some other rat-hole.
Posted by: Griper Whegum8464   2006-07-25 03:30  

#2  But that view is dwarfed by the sentiment among most in the local Jewish community that Israel needs to do whatever it must to neutralise Hezbollah once and for all, the Los Angeles Times reported.

um, try the nation. The LA times is using the joo word to try to disguise it but the support level for these monkeys with gunpowder is almost zilch. Percentage wise, very, very, small. Yeah, we let you prance around and throw stuff - but the minute you start the killing well, just take a good look at what's happening to your hezbollah buddies - cause that's what will happen to you.
Posted by: 2b   2006-07-25 01:57  

#1  kinda makes me itchy knowing these folks are so close to an open border where they can have all kinds of friends and toys brought into our country.
Posted by: Jan   2006-07-25 01:37  

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