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Afghanistan: NATO Countries Find Troops Need More Armor Protection
2006-08-17
Countries with troops in Afghanistan as part of the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) are discovering that they need better protection from roadside bombs and land mines -- the weapons most commonly used by Taliban fighters.

Britain, Canada, the Netherlands, and Germany all have recently ordered light armored vehicles to replace less-protected military transport in Afghanistan and Iraq. Freshly deployed Australian special forces also have brought about a dozen armored personnel carriers for their work in southern Afghanistan.

When U.S. forces invaded Iraq in March of 2003, the advance across the desert to Baghdad was spearheaded by Abrams M-1 tanks and Bradley armored personnel carriers.

U.S. tank commanders like Sergeant Jerold Pyle spoke confidently about their vehicles -- knowing that even the best Soviet-era tanks of Iraq's Republican Guard were no match for the Abrams.

"The Abrams tank in a battle? This is the heavy armor," Pyle told RFE/RL. "These are the killers. This is what the enemy is afraid of. The Abrams was made to fight the Soviet Union, designed back in the 1980s. It's been updated over the last 20 years until it's the best tank in the world. This is the heavy armor. This is the tip of the spear."

A few weeks later, however, when Pyle became one of the first U.S. soldiers to enter Baghdad, his tank was destroyed in an ambush by Iraqi ground troops using guerrilla tactics.

The lesson was clear for U.S. military planners. Heavy tanks, with their clanking metal tank treads and fuel-guzzling engines, can dominate a battlefield in the open desert. But many advantages are neutralized in an urban guerrilla war.
Posted by:Oztralian

#7  Yes.
Posted by: lotp   2006-08-17 18:59  

#6  There was an Indian-descended armor officer who was at Fallujah and wrote a weblog about his expeiences called Armorgeddon.

Was that him?
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman   2006-08-17 18:26  

#5  GF2274, are you referring to Neil Prakash?

After leading his platoon through a fierce onslaught, enemy fire pounding them from every direction, 1st Lt. Neil Prakash went back in for more.

First Infantry Division Commander Maj. Gen. John R.S. Batiste joined Soldiers from the 2nd Battalion, 63rd Armor Regiment at FOB Scunion Jan. 14 to award this 24-year-old tank platoon leader one of the militaryÂ’s highest honors - the Silver Star Medal.

“An incredible officer, his accomplishments on 24 June are clearly heroic,” said Batiste. “He sets a very high standard for every one of us. I guarantee veterans of the past are standing very tall right now.”

Although born in India and maintaining strong ties to the Indian community, Prakash was raised in Syracuse, New York, in what he called a very patriotic American household.

An ROTC cadet at Johns Hopkins University, he planned to follow in the footsteps of his mother, father and older brother - all doctors - and attend medical school. But after attending an ROTC Branch Orientation during his senior year, he knew what he was meant to do...


As the article says, the Silver Star is one of the US Military's highest combat awards. The Indian-American community was quite proud of him, as were we all.
Posted by: lotp   2006-08-17 10:50  

#4  IIRC there was a big article on a émigré or second generation Indian serving as a armor officer who received much press in India for this successful fight with tanks in crowded urban combat.

Bottom line is that because armor has been successfully used in a combined arms manner in Iraq, that the use of armor in urban terrain doctrine is now being rewritten. So the author of this article is way off base on his opinion.
Posted by: Glurt Flavitch2274   2006-08-17 09:56  

#3  No! They need a minefield on the Paki border.
Posted by: Snease Shaiting3550   2006-08-17 08:39  

#2  What a terrible article. The ISAF troops are discovering second generations jeeps get the shit blown out of them in mine or IED attack. So they're getting light armor. Which has next to nothing to do with Abrams tanks in Baghdad.
Posted by: Rory B. Bellows   2006-08-17 07:21  

#1  But many advantages are neutralized in an urban guerrilla war.

Depends on how they're used, doesn't it?

Drive them up and down the street to impress people, and they just guzzle fuel and clank treads.

Use them to destroy buildings infested with killers, so your troops don't have to enter the building, and they still dominate the urban battlefield. See Falluja II.
Posted by: Bobby   2006-08-17 06:25  

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