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| No such thing as a moderate Muslim, says Mahathir |
| 2006-09-15 |
| There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim and US President George W. Bush is mistaken in casting his war on terror in terms of a "struggle for civilisation", Malaysia's outspoken former prime minister says. Mahathir Mohamad, who ruled Malaysia for 22 years and is known for his frequent barbs against what he has called Western double standards, said he believed even the Sept 11, 2001 attacks on the United States were at root linked to Israel's occupation of Palestinian land. "What is happening today has got nothing to do with religion. It has got to do with territorial disputes, mainly the dispute over Palestinian land," he told Reuters after a religious congress in Astana, capital of Kazakhstan. He said Bush's description of America's "war on terror" as "a struggle for civilisation" on the fifth anniversary of the attacks was flawed, as was the West's hope that moderate Muslims would have a dominant voice. "There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim," he said. "We are fundamentalists in Malaysia. We follow the true teachings of the religion and the true teachings do not teach us to bomb and kill people without reason." On Bush's comments, Mahathir, 81, said: "He's not civilised, he shouldn't be talking about civilising others." |
| Posted by:Fred |
| #15 Bosnia BA. America saving muslim Bosnians from defeat humiliated the ummah so they just had to commit mass murder to restore muslim honor. |
| Posted by: ed 2006-09-15 15:18 |
| #14 I feel it is extremely important to begin taking these wankers at their word. For quite some time we've been told that "Islam is not a monolithic religion". Despite such minute offshoot sects as the Kurds and whatnot, it is increasingly apparent that much of Islam is monolithic. One look at how all of the tin pot Islamic dictators, mullahs and every mother's son uses the Palestine issue as a wrench in the gears for all other discussions regarding governmental reform in Muslim majority nations should be enough. While Muslims continue to claim that Palestinians are being murdered by the Jews, they handily overlook the publically declared intention of genocide on the part of Fatah, Hamas and Hezbollah. The reverse of this matter is not at all so clear. The beheading of Christians in Indonesia take place in a total absence of any attempts on the lives of Muslims. The Christian church is not calling out for the casting down of Islam. It is merely the minuscule threat of Muslims coming into contact with any other religion or the simple existence of any other religion at all that puts the psychos into a frenzy. The single fact remains that, claims to the contrary notwithstanding, Islam continues to act and function in a monolithic fashion. The sunni - shiite conflict is about all that disspells this notion until you look at how sunnis and shiites alike still pursue genocide and kill the kufir with glee. Either Islam unites to form some sort of regulatory body akin to the Catholic Vatican or it must continue to lose all credibility as any sort of ostensible religion. The Pope has done well to begin gnawing at the underpinnings of this revolting death cult. If Muslims can unite and begin issuing edicts that result in the ejection of jihadists, that is fine. If they cannot unite and refuse to denounce and renounce terrorism, then we need to clean out each and every pocket of this corrupt and decayed ideology. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2006-09-15 15:03 |
| #13 Ummmm, is it just me, or does anyone else remember the reasons behind bin Laden's declaration of war to be a LOT of other issues besides "Palestine"? Specifically, I remember him outlining all "infidels" being out of the Middle East, which we interpreted (at the time) to mean our troops out of Saudi (stationed there for GWI), among numerous other issues. "Palestine" was not the ONLY reason. Of course, I'd agree with him on that one point...there's no such thing as a moderate Muslim, if they TRULY believe their "Holy book". |
| Posted by: BA 2006-09-15 11:08 |
| #12 I think the current Pope is telling the truth. The truth hurts muzzies dosent it!!!! |
| Posted by: Gliper Phereck2334 2006-09-15 11:07 |
| #11 "There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim," he said. "We are fundamentalists in Malaysia. We follow the true teachings of the religion and the true teachings do not teach us to bomb and kill people without reason." Ah, but there's the rub, isn't it? Who defines a 'reason'? If you have a reason to bomb and to kill, then it's OK. A slight against their moon-god or saying something that they define as an 'insult' to their religion are all they need to set them off. A civilized world simply cannot work that way. The incompatibility of Islam with a peaceful world is clearly exposed. We Christians deal with the most vitriolic gutter insults to our faith on a daily basis, without killing anybody. He's right about one thing though. There is no moderate muslim. There are people of an Islamic heritage who do not fully practice the faith, or perhaps don't realize it's full teachings, but Islam itself cannot be moderated. How do you 'moderate' something which at it's core, demands the death of those who disagree? How do you 'negotiate' with someone whose starting point is your destruction? |
| Posted by: mcsegeek1 2006-09-15 09:05 |
| #10 #9: "However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan." Which is why Jordan quietly works behind the scenes to support Israel. They don't want the Paleos either. |
| Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2006-09-15 05:05 |
| #9 These moon god worshipers claim it's always about Palestine is which pure male bovine excreta "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism. "For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa. While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan." (PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, in a 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw.) |
| Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-09-15 04:58 |
| #8 He causes plenty of commotion and confusion on his home turf too, naturally.LOL. |
| Posted by: Duh! 2006-09-15 04:17 |
| #7 And before 48 the reason for jihad violence was....what? |
| Posted by: Hupailing Ebbuns2352 2006-09-15 04:12 |
| #6 Heh. Thanks MM. |
| Posted by: flyover 2006-09-15 02:43 |
| #5 And never was. |
| Posted by: gromgoru 2006-09-15 02:02 |
| #4 Mahathir of course has always been a master of half truths. That's what made him appeared so "intellectual" to his |
| Posted by: Duh! 2006-09-15 00:50 |
| #3 No moderate Moslem, you say... we suspected as much. Well, get ready to meet the unconquered Westerners and their message of peace: Give up your Jihad, or die! |
| Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) 2006-09-15 00:41 |
| #2 Almost word for word, ditto, Zen. |
| Posted by: twobyfour 2006-09-15 00:39 |
| #1 "What is happening today has got nothing to do with religion. It has got to do with territorial disputes, mainly the dispute over Palestinian land," The old Palestine excuse. Like there will never, ever be an inch of forward progress in any other Muslim majority country until the Israeli Palestinian conflict is sorted out first. Who are these moron jerkwads and how do they expect anyone to keep swallowing this drivel? If they want to continue to have everything hinge on the Israeli Palestinain crisis, that's fine, but we'll be dropping by to bomb their Islamic @sses the instant they get out of line. "There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim," There you go folks, straight from the horse's "We are fundamentalists in Malaysia. We follow the true teachings of the religion and the true teachings do not teach us to bomb and kill people without reason." Yeah, and we all know that the mere existence of a single Jew on the face of this earth is "reason" enough for these maggots to go on bombing and killing whenever and wherever they want to. Nobody's fooled by this crap anymore. Well, except maybe over in Europe. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2006-09-15 00:19 |