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Sean Penn on Larry King: Bush a Fascist who caused Enormous Damage to Mankind
2006-09-15
I'd insert some witty snark here, but this asshat speaks for himself....
Actor Sean Penn, in a taped Larry King Live interview aired Thursday night on CNN to promote his new movie, All the King's Men, in which he plays a Huey Long-like character, suggested President Bush may bring fascism to America, charged that Bush has "devastated our democracy," insisted Donald Rumsfeld and Bush have done "enormous damage" to "this country and mankind" and claimed the war on terrorism is meant to distract from reality.

Clearly referring to President Bush, a smirking Penn recalled: "Well, in 1932 Huey Long said something very interesting. It was, 'Fascism will come to America, but likely under another name, perhaps anti-fascism.'" Later, Penn fulminated about how "party clowns like Don Rumsfeld could be described as, as far as I'm concerned, except for the enormous damage he's done this country and mankind -- and our President -- and saw that they're getting out there and they're beating this drum, to drown out, as they did in 2002, to drown out other -- in that case it was Enron. Now we have another situation, so it's this war on terror, boom, boom, boom. Drown out the reality of what's really happening." Penn also argued: "No Democrat that doesn't have a plan to get our troops out of Iraq should be voted for."

James Carville, a Louisiana native, is one of the Executive Producers of All the King's Men, which will open on September 22.

About 27 minutes into the interview aired on September 14, Larry King proposed: "But that character that you play, basically Huey Long, fictionalized version of Huey Long, the famous 'spread the wealth' former Governor of Louisiana, is a character who becomes affected by power, and then absolute power destroys him. Right? You can relate that to any political figure today, couldn't you?"

Sean Penn, clearly referring to George W. Bush: "Well, in 1932 Huey Long said something very interesting. It was, 'Fascism will come to America, but likely under another name, perhaps anti-fascism.'" King, going into ad break: "We'll dwell on that for a minute."

A couple of segments later, King brought up Iraq:

King: "All right. Some other things. Iraq. Getting any better? The military now controls itself."

Penn: "No. It's -- I think -- to me the situation is pretty simple. I mean, the devastation of the situation is pretty simple. Right now, you know, what these party clowns like Don Rumsfeld could be described as, as far as I'm concerned, except for the enormous damage he's done this country and mankind -- and our President -- and saw that they're getting out there and they're beating this drum, to drown out, as they did in 2002, to drown out other -- in that case it was Enron. Now we have another situation, so it's this war on terror, boom, boom, boom. Drown out the reality of what's really happening.

"I think the American people have a choice. In my idea, it's about an eight to ten-year proposition of Iraqis and Americans and others dying in Iraq. The same amount will be dead of Iraqis, innocent, in ten years without the Americans as they will with the Americans there. We'll just have more Americans dead. So shamefully, we have to -- you know, it's what Nixon called 'peace with honor,' to get out of Vietnam.

"I think that, you know, 'cut and run' is something that's meant to make people feel like cowards if they do it. Well, we did make a mistake. It is time to pull our troops out. It's time to rebuild our military because we've got a bad world and they've inflamed terrorism around the world. I think that's very clear to most people. So what's happened there is a civil war that's going to get worse with us or without us. It's time for us to strengthen ourselves and to try to help them through diplomacy and with money."

King: "But when the President says we should support emerging democracies, because democracy's better for the world, is that -- isn't he right?"

Penn: "I think he's devastated our democracy. I think you have to start with our democracy. He's made us divided. I have a lot of very good friends who are Republicans, who are right-wing Republicans. And when you are with people and you talk to people as people, and not as Republicans and Democrats, you find that's why his numbers are down. Because people have common sense. They're going to vote, you know, in a few months, and they're going to say, well, are we going to be suckers again? Are we going to be suckers to partisan policy and politics and all of that stuff?

"By the way, no Democrat that doesn't have a plan to get our troops out of Iraq should be voted for. Not one of them. You know, there's got to be some courage expressed, and that's what I'm worried about is that we're not going to have good choices."
Posted by:mcsegeek1

#30  Barbara Skolaut you make me LOL!!

Sean Penn is that despicable little actor that ran around Saddam Hussein's Iraq trying to prevent the US removing him from office if i recall rightly.

So why is he worried about fascism anywhere? He is a big fat apologist for fascists!
Posted by: anon1   2006-09-15 23:06  

#29  "we don't accept argument from authority well. "

'tis true, TW.

Ain't it great being descended from the rest of the world's troublemakers, outcasts and general hell raisers? ;) (Ok, the Aussies are, too. Good on 'em!)
Posted by: Swamp Blondie   2006-09-15 23:01  

#28  I think you're right, Barbara, both about the source of that quote, and, the fact that all those wonderful "-isms" take deep root in the Old Country.
Posted by: Swamp Blondie   2006-09-15 22:55  

#27  #25: "Fascism has been descending on America for how many decades now??"

A loooooong time, SB.

Was it P.J. O'Rourke who said, "Fascism is forever descending on America, but always lands in Europe."?

He's still right.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2006-09-15 22:51  

#26  Too many Americans are independent thinkers, Swamp Blondie, and we don't accept argument from authority well. We simply aren't good at being fascists. For which I am profoundly grateful.
Posted by: trailing wife   2006-09-15 22:49  

#25  Fascism has been descending on America for how many decades now?? Haven't we been hearing this crap since, what, the 20's?

It must be falling from the Crab Nebula or something....I'm getting bored waiting for it to finally arrive.
Posted by: Swamp Blondie   2006-09-15 22:43  

#24  You'd think if we were going to be subjected to all these show business people from the 80's they could at least have picked the Bangles or something...
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman   2006-09-15 22:34  

#23  I just got back drinking beer with a group of combat vets and return to read this? Damn this blows a good drunk. I mean Sean "I can bail a boat with a dixie cup" Penn. Screw him.
Posted by: 49 Pan   2006-09-15 22:22  

#22  Just remember, Sean, it was the Democratic Party that controlled the US Congress, and thus America's + the USGov's law-making ability, for most of the 20th century - even within the narrow selective scope of Sean's premise, iff any Party is unilater andor majorily responsible for the alleged introduction and entrenchment of "fascism in America", its the Dems.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2006-09-15 22:12  

#21  LOL Broadhead.
Posted by: lotp   2006-09-15 20:02  

#20  The more you see of the Sean Penns, and the shriller they become, then you can be certain we're on the right track and the tipping point is near.
Posted by: Texas Redneck   2006-09-15 18:56  

#19   "The big question is: Why does the press give any credence or volume to the opinions of an idiot like this?"

Ever hear - birds of a feather flock together. We're dealing with idiots talking to idiots. I wouldn't waste my time with idiots, even for entertainment.
Posted by: Ebbunter Glolusing3985   2006-09-15 17:22  

#18  I thought he was good in the movie "state of grace." Other then that he's a douche bag & a p*ssy. I know a couple 105lb female Marines who could take his ass bare-knuckle.
Posted by: Broadhead6   2006-09-15 17:04  

#17  This clown needs to go live in some Islamic hellhole utopia.

He would rapidly find out that the sword is mightier than the Penn.
Posted by: Zenster   2006-09-15 16:16  

#16  Actors get face time on Entertainment Tonight and soon come to believe they are relevant.
Posted by: ed   2006-09-15 14:41  

#15  Isn't it just amazing how much foreign policy talent we have in Hollywood? What an untapped resource!
Posted by: Steve White   2006-09-15 14:35  

#14  

"Last year I went to Iraq. Before 'Team America' showed up it was a happy place. They had flowery meadows an rainbow skies, and rivers made of chocolate, where the children laughed and played with gumdrop smiles."
Posted by: BigEd   2006-09-15 13:47  

#13  Because he's a 'star' and part of the [wannabe] ruling elite! And you know being a professional liar makes him more knowledgable about this then, say, DOCTOR Rice (PhD).....

I would tell him to 'shut up and sing act' but he can't do that either.....
Posted by: CrazyFool   2006-09-15 11:39  

#12  " . . . working for the alliance comprising radical Islam and international Socialism."

Yes, that's it exactly.
Posted by: ex-lib   2006-09-15 11:37  

#11  "The big question is: Why does the press give any credence or volume to the opinions of an idiot like this?"

I think the answer is, a) because the MSM is in the business of generating liberal propaganda, not reporting the news; and b) because they agree with Penn.

As horrible as it may sound, I think that's the way it is. They really, truly are an enemy Fifth Column, working for the alliance comprising radical Islam and international Socialism.

I wonder how much long this shit can go on, before it all snaps...

Posted by: Dave D.   2006-09-15 11:22  

#10  Penn is actually pretty smart. When facism doesn't come he can take credit for stopping it by being so vocal at an early point the coup members felt unsafe. If fascism does come he's a gonner either way.

Its not as if he's gaining new fans anyway. He's preaching to the choir. Last Sean Penn movie I saw was Fast Times.
Posted by: rjschwarz   2006-09-15 11:09  

#9  "I think he's devastated our democracy."

Bush has DEVASTATED our democracy.

"He's made us divided."

Bush has DIVIDED us.

"I have a lot of very good friends who are Republicans, who are right-wing Republicans."

Anyone believe that?

"They're going to vote, you know, in a few months, and they're going to say, well, are we going to be suckers again?"

Bush has MADE SUCKERS OF US ALL.

"By the way, no Democrat that doesn't have a plan to get our troops out of Iraq should be voted for. "

No votes for Dems who won't announce ahead of time (so the terrorists and Iran can hear them) that we're leaving for good at such-and-such a time.

Sean Penn is a teenie-tiny little despot, but a despot nonetheless. It's all about the money. And Middle East money buys influence, and spokespeople.
Posted by: ex-lib   2006-09-15 10:59  

#8  If we ever need advice from the entertainment set, we'll ask for it. Meantime, ignorant fools like Penn, Porky Rosie, and looney Clooney can keep their worthless opinions to themselves. Leave it to windbag Larry K. to give them a forum to spout on. And, he encourages this tripe.
Posted by: SOP35/Rat   2006-09-15 10:44  

#7  Latest idiotic reality dodge by the libs: "Saddam wasnt a threat to the US", which is slowly morphing to "Iraq was better off under Saddam".

Can you beleive that?

What color is the sky in their world?

The biggest problem is the press distorts the situation in Iraq so badly (and has done so going way back - covering up Saddam's evil so they coudl "report" from there) that the public is not jsut MIS-informed, they are MAL-informed by the mainstream media. This leads to such stupidity and non-sense as the "Saddam was OK" stuff we are seeing. They only way somone can hold this opinion is either by being mal-informed or by being deliberately dishonest with themselves, or by being deliberately dishonest with others (i.e. lying for personal gain).

Its is often asked what will check the government's power: Quis Custodiet Custodes Ipsos?

Who will report the reporters? We need a check, a serious one, that will stop journalists from getting away with lying and distorting the news.

Luckily the web seems to be gaining strength as just such a check in some ways (Powerline and Dan Rather), and as gasoline on the fire in other ways (Visit DU or Kos lately?)

The press MUST be foreced to put thier errors on the FRONT page or lead story on TV, and be forced to acknolwedge them sand apologize for misleading their readers/viewers.


Posted by: Oldspook   2006-09-15 10:32  

#6  Why does the press give any credence or volume to the opinions of an idiot like this?

Advertising revenue.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2006-09-15 10:29  

#5  Sean, aren't you getting a little too much into...

He's been there for the last 5 years.

However, what puzzles me that his incoherent blather gets any air.

This is the part of the American culture--the infatuation with movie, pop, sports stars--that I don't fully understand. As if being a celebrity gives you any weight regarding topics that have nothing to do with your occupation. Sure, anybody can have any opinion, but Sean Penn's opinion is as valid as Joe Sixpack's.
Posted by: twobyfour   2006-09-15 10:25  

#4  The big question is:

Why does the press give any credence or volume to the opinions of an idiot like this?

Sean Penn barely graduated high school. For God's sake, a guy from some african shithole (Somolia) that's driving a cab I rode in (in NY) has more credibility: he has a degree in biology and has seen dictatorship first hand (and he's working on his masters while he's driving a hack, so he can get out and up)

Put HIM on Larry King - hell of a lot more informed opinion, and a hell of a lot better person too.


I nominate this as the most ironic line in thw whole thing:

Drown out the reality of what's really happening.

LMAO! THats what they have been trying to do with their shouting and screaming: ignore the reality of the world around them because it doesnt fit with their ideals. Bush Elected? That can't be, this is a liberal country, because we are right and therefore people must have voted for us. So it must be election fraud that defeated Al Gore. 9/11 people declared a war on us and killed thousands? Can't be - must be our fault. And even if its not our fault (after all we hate the US too and havent blown anythign up here, so why woudl the arabs?) then it must have been Bush's conspiracy, so he could be elected! Yeah thats it, I'll invent fantasy and conspircay and idiocy after idiocy, all to make the world bend to my view. Instead of facing the facts and changing the world by taking up arms against the sea of troubles and DOING something.

These people are not "honorable opponents", they are mentally ill. And thats why we should never let them hide their lies and stupidity, never let them come to power. Be merciless and hound them with facts, and with the truth,




Posted by: Oldspook   2006-09-15 10:24  

#3  -Hahaha, listening to "Spicoli" is amusing - the babblings of a clown who couldn't even cut it at a community college. Our pop culture is so funny - I don't know how Larry King sits there w/a straight face (other then he laughs himself all the way to the bank afterwards.)

Posted by: Broadhead6   2006-09-15 10:22  

#2  What's even more telling is that Larry King acted as if Sean Penn is an expert at anything? The asshole is an ACTOR,so it's logical that he'll look like an expert because he's an expert at ACTING like an EXPERT.
Posted by: Ptah   2006-09-15 10:22  

#1  I've herad of "method acting" before, but . . . cheeze, Sean, aren't you getting a little too much into this neo-populist nationalist-socialist demagoge-weasel Huey Long character?
Posted by: Mike   2006-09-15 09:54  

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