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Oil's slide toward $62 to test OPEC resolve
2006-09-17
LONDON (Reuters) - Oil slid below $63 a barrel on Friday touching its lowest level since March as U.S. fuel stockpiles grew ahead of winter and investors probed for a price that would trigger an OPEC supply cut. Waning concern about the West's atomic row with Iran added to bearish sentiment.

U.S. crude was down 70 cents at $62.52 a barrel at 1615 GMT, after touching its lowest since March 23 at $62.03. London Brent crude was off 79 cents to $62.75.

"Our sense is the market might like to test where OPEC wants to set the price floor," said Frederic Lasserre, head of commodity research at Societe Generale. "The psychology of the market has really turned, it looks like the market will be oversupplied next year unless OPEC does something."
Is it just me or is that complete nonsense? 'Psychology of the market'? I thought it was that there are folks with oill to sell and folks with money to buy, and they're settling on what each thinks is a fair price. But I only took a year of economics in college so I might be missing something.
The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) on Friday cut its demand forecast for its oil by 200,000 barrels per day (bpd) next year, when supply from rival producers is expected to surge. The group's own economists expect demand for OPEC oil in 2007 to be 800,000 bpd below this year.

OPEC ministers kept oil output steady near a 25-year high at a meeting this week, but left the door open to a supply cut before the end of the year. They have been at pains to avoid setting a price target they would defend. "(OPEC ministers) have not had to think about cutting output to defend prices for a long time, but the question is now front and center in the market," said Mike Wittner of Calyon.

Top world exporter Saudi Arabia would start quietly trimming supplies if U.S. crude fell to around $60, Wittner said.

Oil has fallen more than 20 percent from its mid-July record of $78.40 as the supply picture improves.

Mounting evidence that the United States has enough fuel stocks to meet winter heating demand further pressured prices. Natural gas stocks are over 12 percent above the average for the last five years. And distillate stocks, which include heating oil, are at their highest level since October 1999.
OPEC can cut if they want, it will just keep the market pressure such that oil shale and everything else out there goes forward. And we've proven we can handle $3 a gallon gasoline.
Posted by:Steve White

#16  OH, and Venezuela has abused its own reservoir management and production reinvestment so badly that it has to import oil from Russia to fulfill its contracts.

It's also producing about a third _less_ oil than its allowed OPEC production quota, and lying about it. So I don't think there's going to be any "help" coming from that quarter.
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman   2006-09-17 14:41  

#15  All we need is a federal law that prohibits anyone at the stock exchange from bidding over $40 for a barrel of oil. See what happens to their little cartel then, when the worlds largest consumer refuses to get buggered.

Well, when the price goes up, you'll see either lots of oil leaving the US to the places paying more than $ 40/barrel, and none coming in, thus resulting in massive shortages... OR, if exports are banned, no oil coming in besides what the US produces, which right now is only 40% of what it uses.

We buy 60% of our oil mainly from foreign governments in a known, operating-in-the-open cartel and you're going to blame the price of oil on "wall street traders?"
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman   2006-09-17 14:39  

#14  Sounds very good, take away the Saudi's Oil Weapon.
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2006-09-17 12:10  

#13  And don't forget that we have about a quarter-million BPD reserve coming back on line in Prudhoe Bay in a couple months, which will take a real whack at any production cuts.
The Thunder Horse platform in the Gulf should be back in business about the same time.
Posted by: 6   2006-09-17 11:41  

#12  Nope, they'd just buy and sell under the table.

Can't control the free market, it's too slippery.
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2006-09-17 11:19  

#11  All we need is a federal law that prohibits anyone at the stock exchange from bidding over $40 for a barrel of oil. See what happens to their little cartel then, when the worlds largest consumer refuses to get buggered.
Posted by: bigjim-ky   2006-09-17 09:14  

#10  DMFD - I work in the business. It is a very IMPORTANT discovery, but by itself merely demonstrates more potential for big reserves. If you read the WSJ article carefully you'll see the words 'estimating', 'discoveries', and 'could hold.' If you look at the stock prices you'll see Chevron stock has not risen relative to the other oil companies.
Posted by: Glenmore   2006-09-17 08:49  

#9  ...OPEC is as addicted to its money as a heroin addict is to his smack - the cheating (ESPECIALLY from those paragons of virtue the Venezulelans and the Iranians) will be massive and widespread. And don't forget that we have about a quarter-million BPD reserve coming back on line in Prudhoe Bay in a couple months, which will take a real whack at any production cuts.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski   2006-09-17 08:14  

#8  There is nothing more to markets than buyers and sellers. But they have minds and they use them. When it's a seller's market, buyers can shop around all they want, but they won't beat the seller down, they'll just watch the price go up. so they learn to buy quickly and maybe add a little to the bid to make sure they get the deal.

Then, all of a sudden, there's more sellers than buyers. And they buyers know they can go from seller to seller and get them competing with one another to drive the price down. And the longer they can go without buying the lower the price will go.

You've probably seen it if you've watched the housing market. When markets are hot, you get 25 offers on a house. When they're not, they can sit on the market for a year without someone going through. Or gasoline prices; when the price is rising, keep the tank full, when it's falling, drive till the warning light comes on. The mental attitude buyers and sellers bring to the transaction is the market psychology.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2006-09-17 03:21  

#7  large oil future gamblers pushed up a portion of the recent oil price record highs, I imagine a few have taken a beating since the adjustment.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Dinner-Jacket© and Crew played the markets around his "Shut the Gulf Down" threats.
Posted by: RD   2006-09-17 01:51  

#6  Earliest date of GoM oil impact is 2010
Posted by: Captain America   2006-09-17 01:08  

#5  The Wall Street Journal cited Chevron officials as estimating recent discoveries in the Gulf of Mexico could hold as much as 15 billion barrels of oil and gas reserves. That would boost U.S. current reserves by 50 percent.

Link

Posted by: phil_b   2006-09-17 01:04  

#4  Glenmore, I saw reports (for instance this one from the "Toronto Star") - "the announcement earlier in September by a Chevron-led consortium about a major oil discovery in the Gulf of Mexico that could boost U.S. oil reserves by 50 per cent".

Of course, given the shoddy state of journalism today - reports could be wrong. Where'd you read that it was not a major new find?
Posted by: DMFD   2006-09-17 00:52  

#3  I think I actually put in a comment at this site which called this decline in oil prices. As I recollect, a key would be a quiet hurricane season in the Gulf of Mx.

However, the hurricane season isn't over yet.
Posted by: mhw   2006-09-17 00:43  

#2  Chevron did not discover a massive new field. What they did do is prove that an older layer of rock than has been previously drilled out there is capable of holding and producing oil. They found one decent-sized field and improved the odds that there are a whole string of decent-sized fields in the area.
Posted by: Glenmore   2006-09-17 00:42  

#1  I heard some economist claim that oil prices were dropping due to Bernanke raising interest rates. Which is, of course, absurd. I suspect it's due to more to projections of adequate supplies, the markets current measure of the risk of supply disruption, and Chevron's discover of a massive new field in the Gulf of Mexico.

Hate to sound like Al Gore (I REALLY would hate that). But high prices for a while could be a good thing. It will encourage more exploration (maybe even finally drilling in ANWR and off the coasts), looking at alternatives to oil - not just ethanol, but increased production of the Athabasca tar sands, and western oil shale. And perhaps more conservation.
Posted by: DMFD   2006-09-17 00:36  

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