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Londonstan: Police to Notify Panel of Muslims before Antiterror Raids
2006-09-23
POLICE have agreed to consult a panel of Muslim leaders before mounting counter-terrorist raids or arrests. Members of the panel will offer their assessment of whether information police have on a suspect is too flimsy and will also consider the consequences on community relations of a raid.

Members will be security vetted and will have to promise not to reveal any intelligence they are shown. They will not have to sign the Official Secrets Act.

The first panel, expected to consist of four people, will be set up initially in London. Tomorrow representatives from police forces across England and Wales will decide whether to make the scheme national.

Muslim groups have welcomed the move, which is understood to be backed by Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan police commissioner.

This week the Association of Chief Police Officers will discuss with MI5 and the Home Office whether to reveal to the panel intelligence information from the security service.

The idea came from the Metropolitan police and the Muslim Safety Forum (MSF), which works for better police-Muslim relations. It has been under discussion for two years and came to the top of the agenda after a police raid in Forest Gate, London, in June, in which a man was shot. Police were acting on a tip-off about a bomb. None was found.

Azad Ali, chairman of the MSF, said: “The major concern that came to us from Muslims was that the intelligence was flawed — the raid was on assumption and nothing else. This will allow independent scrutiny of intelligence.”

The police and the Crown Prosecution Service have sometimes been criticised for being over-cautious about tackling Muslim extremism. Last week Abu Izzadeen, a radical cleric who has so far escaped prosecution despite seemingly inciting terrorism, gained entry to a closed meeting in east London and heckled John Reid, the home secretary.

It has now emerged that Izzadeen apparently urged Muslims to wage holy war in Britain in an internet video downloaded by several thousand users from websites that closed down two months ago. The sites were linked to the Saved Sect, of which Izzadeen was leader and which has now been banned and disbanded.

In the video he told his audience: “In the UK no fighting takes place yet, but don’t be fooled, the time will come to you brothers . . . fighting is so close at hand.”

He adds: “You prepare yourself now and when the hard time comes you are ready to defend yourself; you are ready to die for the sake of Allah.”

David Corker, a partner in the London law firm Corker Binning, which has dealt with terrorism cases, said of the video: “There is enough material there for him to be considered for prosecution.”

Izzadeen, 34, did not respond to requests for comment this weekend.
Posted by:Captain America

#15  has anyone ever heard a stupider idea than this?

Perhaps in Australia we should consult a panel of Bikies before arresting any Bikie gang members for amphetamines because not all Bikies are criminals?

Give them all our intel, just trust they won't share it - but don't make them sign an Official Secrets Act or anything as that might offend them?

F****in' nuts.
Posted by: anon1   2006-09-23 23:40  

#14  Well, I could have used that information a little earlier.
Posted by: Van Helsing   2006-09-23 23:06  

#13  Ok. So how many ambushes (setup after the 'panel' tips of their friends) will it take before this is stopped? How many dead police officers? 10? 20?

This is just plain old stupid.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2006-09-23 22:48  

#12  This kind of move ( aside from being really bad) is very hard to reverse.
Fealty (dhimmitude) as an institution sneaks up.
I doubt that car thieves will get the same courtesy.
Posted by: J.D. Lux   2006-09-23 22:41  

#11  Are they allowed to own dogs ?

Dogs will be the next thing to be forbidden. Haram, you know.
Posted by: Zenster   2006-09-23 22:35  

#10  #9: "Are they allowed to own dogs ?"

Probably not for long, wx. :-(
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2006-09-23 22:34  

#9  That rumble you hear is Churchill turning in his grave. The people have no guns, and now they have no police protection either. Are they allowed to own dogs ?
Posted by: wxjames   2006-09-23 21:58  

#8  PS: Detain, deport or just plain off Izzadeen, right away.
Posted by: Zenster   2006-09-23 21:56  

#7  Tell them to phone ask Israel just how much it's helped their cause to give terrorists advance notice of pending attacks. But make sure they don't ask Olmert.

Welcome to political correctness in its most lethal form. It will likely be the death of Britain.
Posted by: Zenster   2006-09-23 21:54  

#6  This will end badly. Very badly.

Yes it will. And it needs to. It is sad that a lot of Britons will be killed, but, it just might rip the blinders off the survivors there, and the fence-sitters here.

Then, we just might be able to get on with what needs to be done, before we take a devastating hit here.

Posted by: Texas Redneck   2006-09-23 21:52  

#5  Feed them the info once the phones have been tapped.
Posted by: Super Hose   2006-09-23 21:49  

#4  Members will be security vetted and will have to promise not to reveal any intelligence they are shown.

Yeah, that'll work. They're obligated to lie for the furtherance of their faith; they won't have any problem promising to keep quiet then tipping off the jihadis.

This will end badly. Very badly.
Posted by: Rob Crawford   2006-09-23 21:45  

#3  My God, this is too pathetic for words.
Posted by: Dave D.   2006-09-23 21:36  

#2  Let me get this straight: a panel of muslims will be given the power to decide if probable cause exists to raid and arrest suspected muzzie terrorists?

Yeah, no doubt about it. England has surrendered.
Posted by: Mark Z   2006-09-23 21:10  

#1  It seems to me that fighting is already taking place. It will be interesting to see whether the jihadis infiltrate or assassinate the members.
Posted by: Super Hose   2006-09-23 20:56  

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