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| Fred Phelps' Church On Hannity And Colmes |
| 2006-10-06 |
| ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: Members of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas, have been protesting at military funerals since June of last year carrying signs with anti-gay slogans. Yesterday, they announced they were planning to protest the funerals of the Amish schoolgirls shot to death to death in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, earlier this week, but they have since changed their plans. With us now from Westboro Baptist Church is Shirley Phelps-Roper. You changed your plans because Mike Gallagher has offered you airtime on his radio show, because you want to get your message out. What is that message? SHIRLEY PHELPS-ROPER, WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH: The message is that God has put a standard in the earth. He expects his creatures to obey it. If you obey, he'll bless you. If you don't, he'll curse you. America has sent away her day of grace. America is doomed. COLMES: You're giving me what sounds like a bunch of talking points. Why would you cause more pain to this community, the Amish community, which, if so not even involved in so much what is considered modern day and these families who have suffered? Do you have any sense of how much additional pain you would be causing these families by protesting at the funeral of these young girls? PHELPS-ROPER: There isn't any way to fix that situation for them. It's not going to be any less painful if we are there or aren't there. They did that to themselves. And you say they're not involved. COLMES: What do you mean they did that to themselves? PHELPS-ROPER: I mean, they sit over to there and create their own form of righteousness, instead of... COLMES: Did those girls deserve to be killed? PHELPS-ROPER: Well, they did get killed, and they did that. Who controls the hearts of men? It was at the hand of an angry God those girls are dead. COLMES: Did they deserve to die? PHELPS-ROPER: They did deserve to die. COLMES: How you can possibly make a statement like that? PHELPS-ROPER: Because that's exactly what happened, and it happened at the hand of the lord your God. COLMES: How can you possibly say that — how can you possibly say that young girls who have done nothing wrong, who are innocent, who are just a few years old, who have never sinned, who have never done anything, deserve to die? How could you possibly make a statement like that? PHELPS-ROPER: You told me that you serve the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who says that when Adam sinned all sinned. There are no innocent human beings. And the parents... COLMES: You know, you protest funerals of soldiers. You protest funerals of anybody who seems — dies under any circumstances. Anybody who is not a member of your church is a sinner and is hated by God. PHELPS-ROPER: Don't go to — anyone who is not — if you don't serve God… COLMES: Who serves God besides people in your church? PHELPS-ROPER: Well, you tell me. I don't see anyone on the landscape in America. COLMES: Nobody except people in your church, which is basically your family. A few hundred members of your family are the only people on earth who serve God, and everybody else deserves to die? PHELPS-ROPER: You need to get out on these streets and warn your neighbors that your sin is taking him to hell, fulfilling the royal law to love your neighbor as yourself. SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: Shirley, you really are a sick woman. You are a sick. PHELPS-ROPER: Slight cold but thank you. HANNITY: Twisted human being. Where is your soul that you come on the air and as young innocent girls are going to die and you're going to — you're going to open up the family's wound and pour salt on it? Where is your heart? Where is your soul? Where's your compassion? Where's your love? PHELPS-ROPER: Our message is for the living, and that is the only loving thing to do. HANNITY: What about the living families that lost their daughter? PHELPS-ROPER: They did that to themselves. HANNITY: No, because some animal killed them in cold blood. The families didn't do it. PHELPS-ROPER: Who controls the hearts of men? HANNITY: Do you sin? Did you ever commit adultery? Did you ever sin? PHELPS-ROPER: Of course not. HANNITY: Did you ever lust in your heart? Did you ever get angry? Did you ever sin? PHELPS-ROPER: And that — you've got the deck chairs on the Titanic. HANNITY: Have you ever sinned, Miss Perfect here? PHELPS-ROPER: Of course, you know that I have sinned, and that's not the point. HANNITY: You have. So you're a sinner. When you die, would you deserve to die? PHELPS-ROPER: Well, of course all of us deserve to die. But I'm not the one who did die and my message is for those living people who brought that pain upon themselves. HANNITY: This is what I see about you, Shirley. PHELPS-ROPER: They need to obey the commandments of the lord their God. HANNITY: Your entire life is — is now sort of focused on bringing pain to other people: The families of innocent girls who died. The families of innocent soldiers who died. God hates fags, is what… PHELPS-ROPER: Innocent? Throw that word around. It has no definition when you get done with it. HANNITY: More innocent than you. They didn't sin like you admit you sinned. PHELPS-ROPER: Those children... HANNITY: What did they do? PHELPS-ROPER: ... those children were killed at the hands of a raging mad God to punish those families, to punish the state of Pennsylvania, because you've got a governor in that state got on FOX News and lambasted us because we serve God. HANNITY: And you want to do — and you want to... PHELPS-ROPER: And then you've got those people in Pennsylvania who think they can sue us and fix this problem? HANNITY: Because you — hang on a second. Because you didn't like Ed Rendell and what he said, you're now going to protest at the funerals to bring pains to the families? PHELPS-ROPER: To connect the dots. To connect the dots from point A, your filthy manner of life and your rebellion against God... HANNITY: What are your sins, Miss Perfect? PHELPS-ROPER: ... and conduct against the servants of God, to point B, the dead children. HANNITY: I want to know what your sins are. PHELPS-ROPER: I'm not going to talk to you about any such thing. I don't glory in my shame like you seem to want to do. HANNITY: No, I just find this amazing that everyone else is a big sinner but you, and you admit to being a sinner. PHELPS-ROPER: Obey the commandments of the lord your God. HANNITY: Which ones did you break? PHELPS-ROPER: Obey the commandments of the lord your God. You don't fix this by saying two wrongs make a right. That's what you seem to be saying. HANNITY: No, but... PHELPS-ROPER: That you may not say what God requires of you. If you don't, what? HANNITY: You know what I'm saying? I'm speaking to our audience beyond you because you're brain dead. What I'm saying to you is you are a soulless, thoughtless, mean... PHELPS-ROPER: Thoughtless? HANNITY: ... mean, human being. PHELPS-ROPER: Thoughtless? We go out here year after year after year on our own to warn this nation that if you obey God he'll bless you. Why don't you just try it? HANNITY: Now listen very closely. PHELPS-ROPER: Just try it. HANNITY: Listen to what I'm saying. PHELPS-ROPER: Just try it. HANNITY: Here's what I'm trying to tell you. PHELPS-ROPER: Obey the commandments of the lord your God. HANNITY: OK, I got that. PHELPS-ROPER: And get his blessings. HANNITY: Now you spoke. PHELPS-ROPER: There is only one remedy. HANNITY: Now you listen to me. Here's what your remedy is. PHELPS-ROPER: You repent like the men of Nineveh or you, this nation s doomed. You think it's bad so far, you're going to find bodies stacked up so that you can't even bury them. HANNITY: You — you are a religious nut. PHELPS-ROPER: Then you will obey. HANNITY: You are a religious... COLMES: We've got to run. Do you deserve to die, too? PHELPS-ROPER: All of us do. Every one of us. COLMES: God is going to smite you at some point? PHELPS-ROPER: No, I said we all deserve to die, but the mercy of God to his people that serve him is what prevails. COLMES: I can't even — I can't even — we've got to take a break. I can't get mad at you, because you're so pathetic. PHELPS-ROPER: Look, honey... COLMES: And what you're saying is so horrible and mean-spirited. PHELPS-ROPER: You can do that and call me names. It doesn't fix it. You have got the wrath of God pouring out on your head. You need to fix that by obeying. COLMES: Thank you for the lecture. PHELPS-ROPER: Repent like the men of Nineveh. |
| Posted by:Anonymoose |
| #19 Shame on FOX for giving them for handing them the megaphone. I'm more disgusted with Fox for allowing stark raving lunatics the opportunity to spread their hate. Don't kid yourself, there are people who watched that and decided they agreed with Westboro's message. Pathetic. |
| Posted by: anon 2006-10-06 20:40 |
| #18 These wackos are getting trashed by their own neighbors in Topeka. Go Kansas. |
| Posted by: Snease Shaiting3550 2006-10-06 19:46 |
| #17 The message is that God has put a standard in the earth. And this frigid whore, with her monumental hubris, is living proof of that standard's violation. These people are one synapse jump away from rationalizing the need for a catastrophic event. Someone needs to stop them before they decide to kill in godÂ’s name. You are so right, 49 Pan . These wingnuts are the type who would release a plague to "purify" our world. They differ not one whit from the humanity-hating eco-Nazis who want (the other) 99% of the human population killed off. Yet, as incredibly REPULSIVE as this woman and her idiot group are, their extremism does not go beyond vitriolic hate speech for her beliefs. I would rather have them in our society over Muslims who extoll the virtues of death and violence, who support plans to kill or who kill others themselves. Wrongo, PlanetDan. There is little, if any, difference between these intolerant, hateful zealots and Islam's psychotic fanatics. Both are a virulent threat to our world. Each of them lives, eats, drinks and breathes hatred for their fellow man. Both of them pretend to have, not just all the answers, but the ONLY answer. |
| Posted by: Zenster 2006-10-06 18:57 |
| #16 F8ck this dumb b*tch. I hope she gets one hell of a yeast infection or eats some of that messed up spinach. Kinda reminds me of the old song fleetwoodmac song: "Well I talked to God he said you understand, Ya stick by me and I'll be your guiding hand, but don't ask me what I think of you, I might not give the answer that you want me to. oh well........" |
| Posted by: Broadhead6 2006-10-06 17:12 |
| #15 I listened to this woman the other day on Howard Stern. Howard got into the same type of argument with her that Hannity did, except thanks to the glory of sat radio, he was able to really call her some choice names. She hung in there and kept up her "repent now" "we're all sinners" rap while HS and crew called her every name in the book. HS got her to say near the end of the interview she believed OBL was doing God's work. |
| Posted by: darth_auditor 2006-10-06 17:12 |
| #14 I saw the episode and she reminded me of Sadie May Atkins. |
| Posted by: macofromoc 2006-10-06 16:00 |
| #13 Proof that the gene pool could use a little chlorine. |
| Posted by: Dreamsmith 2006-10-06 15:27 |
| #12 Yet, as incredibly REPULSIVE as this woman and her idiot group are, their extremism does not go beyond vitriolic hate speech for her beliefs. I would rather have them in our society over Muslims who extoll the virtues of death and violence, who support plans to kill or who kill others themselves. |
| Posted by: PlanetDan 2006-10-06 15:19 |
| #11 Why do I get an image of the mother in the Stephen King story 'Carrrie' when I hear of this woman? I hope she doesn't have any children. |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2006-10-06 15:18 |
| #10 Looked to me like she pulled herself along with her teeth maybe. |
| Posted by: Evil Elvis 2006-10-06 14:56 |
| #9 Disd Shirlety crawl on her belly like a reptile? |
| Posted by: tu3031 2006-10-06 14:50 |
| #8 These people violate the first commandment. So does Islam. |
| Posted by: wxjames 2006-10-06 13:51 |
| #7 The best thing you can do to idiots like this is to let them talk. In just a few minutes she convinced about 99.5% of the country that she is a lunatic. The other .5% agree with her, but are lunatics too. |
| Posted by: bigjim-ky 2006-10-06 13:49 |
| #6 SR-71 nails it! Much like the hypocrisy of the full-on Islamists, these people don't see their own hypocrisy. While I may agree with some of her thesis (I do agree America has lost her moral compass, and would even go so far as to say that we got nailed on 9/11 to wake us up to that fact), you won't ever see me spewing the hatred that they do. And to blame Gov. Rendell for those girls' deaths? Pshaw. That's soooo Old Testament (God used to bring judgement down on your entire family for generations for sin you committed). She completely missed Christ's teachings and are focused on the "fire and brimstone" aspect of it. Me? Yes, I agree, that in love, I need to teach and lead others to Christ. But, I'll never (or at least, I'll try my hardest to never) do it out of hate and the "holier than thou" attitude. |
| Posted by: BA 2006-10-06 13:30 |
| #5 That church can't afford dental insurance??! C'mon Freddie, get yer ho's some dental assistance. |
| Posted by: Evil Elvis 2006-10-06 13:01 |
| #4 These people are one synapse jump away from rationalizing the need for a catastrophic event. Someone needs to stop them before they decide to kill in godÂ’s name. |
| Posted by: 49 Pan 2006-10-06 12:18 |
| #3 Thanks, mcg1. Most religious perversions are based on over emphasizing one idea to the exclusion of others. These nutjobs certainly have the Jeremiah aspect of God, but sure missed Jesus's message. Tar and feathers for the Phelps gang. |
| Posted by: SR-71 2006-10-06 12:00 |
| #2 watched this shrieking sow on H-C. You don't get a glimpse of the sheer insane hate this bitch has from the transcript alone. She lost it bigtime. Look around for the video - it's worth it |
| Posted by: Frank G 2006-10-06 11:53 |
| #1 I saw this. I just read it again in it's entirety. Disgusting. I still think what I thought at first. These people have no love, and therefore, they do not know God. They are not Christian, just nuts. "He that loveth not, knoweth not God, for God is Love." 1 Jn. 4:8 "This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you." Jn. 15:12 "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law." Rom 13:8 "And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you." 1 Thes. 3:2 "Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God." 1 Jn. 4:7 "For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another." 1 Jn. 3:11 |
| Posted by: mcsegeek1 2006-10-06 11:52 |