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Down Under
Military options still 'on table' for N Korea
2006-10-12
MILITARY options against North Korea cannot be ruled out, Prime Minister John Howard said today. Mr Howard today said North Korea's "seriously crazy regime" was a huge problem for the whole world following its first nuclear weapons test this week. He said world leaders until last week hoped China's historic influence on the rogue state would restrain it, but it did not seem to be the case.

"Now I do hope the world can speak through the United Nations with one voice," Mr Howard said. "But the options in a situation like this are limited.

"Nobody wants to look at military options, you can't take them off the table, you never do that, that's foolish.

"Nobody really wants to look at that as an option but they are very limited and we are dealing with a seriously crazy regime."

Mr Howard denied it was hypocritical for US President George W Bush to invade Iraq over claims of weapons of mass destruction, but prefer the UN to deal with North Korea, despite proof it had such weapons. "I don't think it's hypocritical," he said. "I think he is doing, sensibly, what his critics said he should have done further in Iraq – and that is, fully exhaust the United Nations route.

"That doesn't mean to say the United Nations route is going to work."

Mr Howard said the UN's ability to intervene in Iraq had been exhausted and the coalition had no alternative but to invade. "I believed at the time, as did everybody, that there were weapons of mass destruction," he said. "The debate was about how you reacted to the existence of those weapons of mass destruction, not about whether they existed or not."

Meanwhile, Mr Howard said Australia gave North Korea some food aid, and he did not want to see it cut off. He said the country would receive more aid if it dropped its nuclear ambitions.

The comments came after Mr Bush vowed earlier today to use "all diplomatic efforts" possible to resolve the North Korean and Iranian nuclear standoffs, but said the option of military action remained on the table. "I believe the commander-in-chief must try all diplomatic efforts before we commit our military," Mr Bush said when asked about his administration's failure to get either Pyongyang or Tehran to give up their nuclear programs via negotiations.

"Diplomacy hasn't run its course, and we'll continue working to give diplomacy a full opportunity to succeed," he said. While repeatedly insisting that his government "remains committed" to multilateral diplomacy, he said the United States also "reserves all options", particularly to "defend our friends and our interests in the region against threats from North Korea".
Posted by:Oztralian

#11  Zen, I was going to blame it on insufficient caffein, but it still goes over my head. Just dense on this one, I guess.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2006-10-12 20:18  

#10  Good cop, bad cop.
Posted by: johnnycanuck   2006-10-12 19:57  

#9  Quick way to slow Chinese influence in NKor:

Drop the NKor side of all the spans across the river. Fuel, Powertowers, Rail and Road.

Done with cruise missles in about 2 hours tops and initiated from outside Chinese SSKor and NKor airspace.

Keep those down for 2 weeks an North Korea is completely out of petroleum, and probably completely unable to feed the military, much less supply it and control it in an offensive.

Its Chinese support for he NKors that is the big issue onthe Korean question, just like Paki support of the talib is the root of the problem in in Afghanistan.
Posted by: Oldspook   2006-10-12 14:05  

#8  Strange?

Nimble, please recalibrate your Quantitative Universal Irony & Pun Sensor (QUIPS).

Notice how I used the full movie title "The Land of OZ" instead of just plain "Oz"? That's the set-up for the final ironic gibe of an imaginary place being the only source of "straight talk". I knew this might zoom some people so I even tossed in the "Bless our Australian allies." as an insurance policy. You're a very bright poster, so please lighten up, emkay?
Posted by: Zenster   2006-10-12 12:57  

#7  Looks like we may need 'em: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52417
Posted by: OyVey1   2006-10-12 12:21  

#6  FG: I'd keep popping off about how this weakens China because it shows they have little influence on their major client state, one that's been taking them for all the oil and food they can get. Rub China's face in it. Make em look like two-bit tinpots when they want to be considered the big boy in Asia. See how they like that.

China *is* enormously influential with North Korea. The problem is that China is using that influence to advance Chinese interests, not Western ones. There's a lot of loose talk about how this or that country will go nuclear, but that's all it is - loose talk. Wake me up when Japan goes nuclear and manages to retain the US-Japan mutual defense pact. It's great for a rant, but it just ain't gonna happen.

China has tons of credibility - when Korea started impeding the import of Chinese vegetables, China promptly slapped tariffs on Korean electronics, upon which the Koreans backed down. Something similar happened with Japan. It is clear from these two examples that China is able significantly influence the policies of countries with which it doesn't supply - for free - half of their fuel and food for free. Now North Korea is the one country that gets these Chinese freebies. Like it or not, the least complicated explanation is that China is putting North Korea up to these antics.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2006-10-12 12:21  

#5  Frank G: If you do so with the idea that China would invade Nork and set up a less-annoying puppet regime, far more intent on feeding its own people than supporting its military machine.

The trouble is in finding out what annoys China to that point. An old China hand suggested that what most annoys China is when their satellites start doing thing "not in the Chinese way". That is far more important to China than about anything else.

A good comparison is to how the Soviet Union treated Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia.

Yugoslavia did everything to piss off Russia, left their sphere of influence, even showed military belligerence to them.

Czechoslovakia, on the other hand, was one of their best allies. It did anything they wanted militarily and would always back Russia.

But in 1968, the Russians invaded Czechoslovakia.

The reason was that the Kremlin could abide the annoying Yugoslavians, because Tito was a harsh dictator. The Czechs, however, were becoming far too liberal and encouraging freedom and liberty.

To the Soviet Union, this was intolerable.

In fact, doing things "the Chinese way" is probably the only thing that has prevented the mainland from invading Taiwan, a dozen times over.

And Nork, as horrific as it gets, still does things the Chinese way.

When China had a border fight with Vietnam, it was most likely because the Vietnamese government was apparently straying from the Chinese way, though this later turned out not to be the case.

Yet China still had the better part of two Chinese armies massacred to send Vietnam a message.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2006-10-12 11:42  

#4  I'd keep popping off about how this weakens China because it shows they have little influence on their major client state, one that's been taking them for all the oil and food they can get. Rub China's face in it. Make em look like two-bit tinpots when they want to be considered the big boy in Asia. See how they like that.
Posted by: Frank G   2006-10-12 08:45  

#3  You know that things have gotten strange when some of the only straight talk comes from the Land of Oz.

Strange? From whom else were you expecting straight talk? After all McCain has a ™ on Straight Talk.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble   2006-10-12 07:50  

#2  Sheesh. Indeed, Howard's a class act. So is Bush.
Posted by: .com   2006-10-12 07:34  

#1  You know that things have gotten strange when some of the only straight talk comes from the Land of Oz. Bless our Australian allies.
Posted by: Zenster   2006-10-12 03:42  

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