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Ruskies and ChiComs Block US-Led NoKo Cargo Inspection
2006-10-12
RUSSIA and China are blocking an American plan to mount international inspections of all cargoes entering and leaving North Korea for fear of provoking a military showdown.

North Korea underlined the concerns by saying yesterday that it would regard such sanctions as an act of war. Pyongyang threatened “physical measures”, including a second nuclear test, unless Washington ceased to confront it.

President Bush said that he had “no intention of attacking” the isolated Stalinist regime and that he would pursue “all diplomatic efforts” in response to North Korea’s first atomic explosion. “Diplomacy hasn’t run its course, and we’ll continue working to give diplomacy a full opportunity to succeed,” he said. But he made it clear that President Kim Jong Il must face “serious repercussions” for sparking the world’s latest nuclear crisis.

The repercussions envisaged by Mr Bush were being contested by Russia and China as they outlined their positions on a new Security Council resolution that could be adopted as early as tomorrow.

Their stance meant that while agreement was close to a resolution imposing limited sanctions on North Korea, they would shy away from any enforcement action.

While Moscow and Beijing are ready to accept legally binding sanctions aimed at PyongyangÂ’s nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programmes, they are balking at a US proposal to enforce them with international inspections.

Vitali Churkin, MoscowÂ’s UN Ambassador, has argued that North Korea could use the inspections to provoke a military confrontation.

Russia and China oppose extending the sanctions to luxury goods, as Washington has proposed, or to a total embargo on all North Korean exports, as Japan has suggested. They may go along, however, with plans to prohibit travel by highranking North Korean officials.

Kofi Annan, the UN Secretary-General, urged the US to hold direct bilateral talks with North Korea. “I believe that the US and North Korea should talk,” he said.

North Korea, too, used the threat of further nuclear tests to try to force the US to one-to-one talks. Kim Yong Nam, the president of the Presidium of the North Korean Supreme People’s Assembly, said: “The issue of future nuclear tests is linked to US policy toward our country. If the United States continues to take a hostile attitude and apply pressure on us in various forms, we will have no choice but to take physical steps to deal with that.”

In a separate statement, the North Korean Foreign Ministry said that North Korea was prepared to return to six-way talks in Beijing involving the US, China, Russia, Japan and North and South Korea.

“Even though we conducted a nuclear test due to the United States, our willingness to realise the denuclearisation of the Korean peninsula through dialogue and negotiation remains unchanged. If the US continues to harass and put pressure on us, we will regard this as a declaration of war.”

The remarks suggest that North Korea regards the possession of nuclear weapons as a negotiating tool.

Posted by:Captain America

#29  Meds, Joe...meds are good...

Posted by: FOTSGreg   2006-10-12 22:33  

#28  A "military showdown" in the Pacific will inevitably occur when one, NORTH KOREA/NORTH KOREA = CHINA? fires a nuclear-tipped missle(s)at Hawaii, West Coast-ALCAN, JAPAN or even GUAM; or Second, iff China attacks TAIWAN, andor third, iff JAPAN = SOUTH KOREA, etal. GO NUCLEAR. PRO-CHICOM bloggers > sev want America-Euros-West out of Asia + Pacific + desire to see China dominate East Asia, inclduing but limited to a [minima]CHINESE-CONTROLLED CHINA-JAPAN-KOREAS SOCIALIST AXIS.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2006-10-12 22:26  

#27  Ya' know...I can't help but think that Japan may well truly take the lead in this - and that's not necessarily a good thing.

Not too long ago there was a book called "The Coming War With Japan" about a resurgent Japan clashing with the US. The author was none other than George Friedman (name?) of StrategyPage fame.

Much of the book was scarey accurate.

Despite the fact that Japan is our ally and close friend today, they may not always remain so. I have visions of Japanese carriers flying the rising sun flag in the not to distant future.

I also have visions of a Japanese-style war against the NorKs merchant marine in the Nazi style along the US coast just prior to WW2.

These are not nice visions...though they do have som good parts to them...due to the inevitable consequences IMO.

Posted by: FOTSGreg   2006-10-12 21:53  

#26  Drop the spans over the Yalu, rail, road, pipes and power.

Then an embargo isnt that hard - NKor would run out of fuel, food and thier powergrid woudl permanently collapse well before those spans could be restored.
Posted by: Oldspook   2006-10-12 19:20  

#25  Hosses = good.
Posted by: lotp   2006-10-12 19:18  

#24  Posses get to ride horses - fast, exciting and frontierish. Course Posses without horses tend to be portrayed as Lynch Mobs, you can easily see the utility of the hoss here.
Posted by: Shipman   2006-10-12 18:57  

#23  We do rather well at posses, however.
Posted by: lotp   2006-10-12 18:42  

#22  Better let the Brits handle the pirate action, Americans have ever made piss poor bucanneers, while our buds seem to thrive on it.

Posted by: Shipman   2006-10-12 18:33  

#21  Pirates Steve. Hoist the Jolly Rumsfeld ya scurvy cur.
Posted by: ed   2006-10-12 13:04  

#20  Big surprise. Just parting the curtain a bit farther. We can see the real opponents; same as the old opponents. Russia & China use Muzzies as clients of provocation. Muzzies use Hezbs and Hamas. Putie must be congratulating himself on how clever he really is.
Posted by: SpecOp35   2006-10-12 11:55  

#19  the UN's Stamp of Imaginary Legitimacy

That is a phrase to be added to the Rantburg Standard Lexicon. Nice acronym too: SOIL
Posted by: SteveS   2006-10-12 11:37  

#18  Well, if they won't agree, we'll just have to do it our way. Capture or sink all traffic within 3 miles of NK on the Yellow Sea, Sea of Japan...

...and the Yalu river.
Posted by: Jackal   2006-10-12 11:30  

#17  We will continue to play the game in the civilized way; UN sanctions and debates and the occasional strongly worded condemnation. Therefore, the world will continue down the slippery slope into chaos and world war.
One way to put an end to the incrimental spiral into defeat is to outfox them. I would form a group of civilized powers to take out NorKor's ships at sea. No names, no questions, just a war of attritian against their ability to trade war materials. It would be good to warn other nations that ships leaving SoKor would be fine, but ships leaving NorKor would not pass GO.
My proposal is totally against civilized norms, but I see us killing ourselves to defend civility.
That's what the activity to date has yielded; increases in terrorism and nuclear activity incrimentally as we use predictable, ineffective countermeasures.
Posted by: wxjames   2006-10-12 11:22  

#16  Why do we bother with the UN? Just tell them we'll be willing to talk some more when they are willing to get real.
Posted by: Sleaper Thraviter2776   2006-10-12 10:59  

#15  The NKors are evil but not stupid. If some of their ships disappear on the high seas with no explanation they'll take action. I suspect their ships are also rigged with suitable comm gear; even if you torpedo the sucker they'll have a few seconds to send a coded message and that's all it takes.

While it wouldn't bother me at all to 'disappear' NKor ships loaded with contraband, we need to be smart about this. Exception -- an NKor ship known to be transporting a nuke or fissible material DOES get disappeared, no question and no talking about it afterwards.
Posted by: Steve White   2006-10-12 10:20  

#14  My appologies RWV, I didn't read the whole comment string before posting. I just posted. Was not trying to bite on your commment.

Thats pretty wierd reading back this morning seeing my comment was nearly identical to yours with just the dog analogy added. Hay "great minds think alike" I guess. Either way I should have read all the comments to avoid such mistakes.
Posted by: C-Low   2006-10-12 09:08  

#13  Time to "Cowboy Up."
Posted by: doc   2006-10-12 07:55  

#12  All they can block is putting the UN's Stamp of Imaginary Legitimacy on the plan. The plan makes perfect sense and we should just fucking do it. Period. This is important. Bush is playing by The UN Rules, for the moment, as he always has. That will change if he believes the threat is too great to accept this phoney tantrum from Kimmie, Putty, and Whu.
Posted by: .com   2006-10-12 07:41  

#11  With China it's trust through verification, repeated verification. North Korea is China's puppet; RWV's idea has merit. It would short circuit plenty of BS.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2006-10-12 07:34  

#10  Remember what I wrote about judging people by what they do instead of what they say? Like I said earlier, North Korea is China's Rottweiler.
Posted by: Zhang Fei   2006-10-12 04:53  

#9  As a final aside; Wouldn't it be ever so tragic if North Korea suddenly began to lose all of its maritime traffic at sea? With their shortage of funds, all of their vessels must be tragically behind schedule for overhauling.

IT WOULD GIVE OUR SUBS SOME NICE TARGET PRACTICE TOO!
Posted by: Zenster   2006-10-12 03:12  

#8  I'll second RWV's motion.

I would also throw a threat in thier that our pit bull Tiawan may just decide to go nuclear as well.

Ahem. Taiwan is not "our pit bull". They just happen to be a peaceful democratic nation who is the world's eighteenth economy with one fiftieth of China's population and one tenth of the PRC's Gross Domestic Product.

That might make them an economic powerhouse and standard bearer for democracy, but hardly our pit bull. A candidate for acquiring nuclear weapons? Most definitely. But let's leave playing the pit bull to Kim Jong Il.
Posted by: Zenster   2006-10-12 03:08  

#7  Sounds good we could never have really garanteed intradiction of the Uranium anyway or its tech.

I say just tell the Chicoms that we consider the Norks as thier pit bull thier proxy thier problem. Very simply that if any Nork tech or uranium ends up going boom in either a US city or any of our allies that they will share with the Norks the Retribution from US.

The Chicoms wont risk nuclear anialation for some petty cash a terrorist or 3rd world dictator will pay the Norks for it. The only people that can control the Norks is China we shoud force them to do it.

I would also throw a threat in thier that our pit bull Tiawan may just decide to go nuclear as well.
Posted by: C-Low   2006-10-12 01:41  

#6  RWV's idea gets my vote.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2006-10-12 01:11  

#5  Kimmy's Hennesy
Posted by: 3dc   2006-10-12 01:07  

#4  Russia and China oppose extending the sanctions to luxury goods, as Washington has proposed...

What luxury goods are they? I prefer my foie gras to be made from ducks, not actual grass. Oh, you meant luxury goods going into the workers paradise?

Dunno's right - they're bottling it in case they get found out.
Posted by: Tony (UK)   2006-10-12 00:24  

#3  If Russia and China want to block the enforcement of a ban on exports of nuclear weapons, then they should each designate one of their cities to be nuked as part of the response to the first North Korean manufactured nuclear weapon that explodes outside of North Korea. If they are going to facilitate nuclear terror, then they should be willing to pay the price.
Posted by: RWV   2006-10-12 00:23  

#2  Would be embarrassing to have inspected NK drugs, counterfeit and weapons exports via Russia and China to the world's worst dictatorships.
Posted by: ed   2006-10-12 00:22  

#1  RUSSIA and China are blocking an American plan to mount international inspections of all cargoes entering and leaving North Korea for fear of provoking a military showdown.

that should read "for fear of" unraveling counterfeit US currency & conventional weapons blackmarket...methinks

Don't we have a participation PSI agreement with these states which allows us to inspect suspected cargo?
Not sure but if we don't we should
Posted by: Dunno   2006-10-12 00:16  

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