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Muslim Bloggers Debate Apple 'Mecca' Posting
2006-10-18
A report that an Islamist Web site called Apple's Fifth Avenue store in New York City "blasphemous" and an "insult to Islam" touched a nerve among Mac fans and Muslims and set off widespread discussions about perceptions of Muslims.
"Muslims, why do they hate......pretty much everything?"
The Middle East Media Research Institute, which states that its mission is to "bridge the language gap which exists between the Middle East and the West," posted a statement last week that it referred to as a translation from an Islamist Web site. Founder Yigal Carmon identified the Web site Friday as alhesbah.org. The translation said Apple's new store is offensive because it resembles to Ka'ba, the holy structure Muslims face when they pray. It also said the author took offense to the use of the term "Apple Mecca" used in some bloggers' headlines and stories about the new store.
"Mecca" is trademarked, I guess
The Apple Fifth Avenue Store is shaped like a glass cube. Ka'ba is also a cube, covered in black cloth. The store was covered in black before it opened in May.
Well, there you go
MEMRI's statement, titled "Apple Mecca Project Provokes Muslim Reaction," said the store sells alcoholic beverages and is "clearly meant to provoke Muslims." The store does not sell alcohol.
They have "Genius Bars" which are Tech Support help desks.
Although its cube-shape may resemble the Ka'ba, the dimensions are different.
Like that means anything, the intent is clear.
The statement urges people to spread an alert to "stop the project."

Apple, one of the largest computer companies in the world, responded by saying the company respects all religions, did not set out to build a replica of the Ka'ba and never referred to the store as "Mecca."
"We call it i-Mecca"
Since the alhesbah.org is blocking new registrations, TechWeb could not confirm the Apple Store posting firsthand. Alhesbah is known as a Web site for extremists. Carmon said the person posting about Apple has been a frequent contributor, but he said he did not know whether discussion ensued. Discussion has been widespread on English-language sites devoted to Apple products and Muslim news.

Shahed Amanullah, editor for a Web site that provides a critical analysis of issues regarding the Muslim community, was one of the first to speak out. Like many others, he objected to MEMRI's report, saying the organization often chooses articles that reflect Muslims in a poor light.
There's so much to choose from
"What if a Muslim in a forest complained about a New York retail outlet he'd never visited," Amanullah asked in his posting. "Would he make a sound? If MEMRI weren't around, he wouldn't."
"How dare they report on what we say!"
MEMRI has been highly praised and criticized for its work translating extremist statements by U.S. government leaders, intelligence directors and large media outlets. The organization drew criticism after the posting. Carmon defended MEMRI, saying it is important for the world to know about hateful messages being spread by Muslim extremists. He said MEMRI also praises reformist Muslims and there are many Muslims giving honor to the world. He said that MEMRI's critics are aiming at the wrong target.

"It's a typical shoot-the-messenger reaction," he said during an interview Friday. "Apologists don't want to face it. Instead of rebelling against the Islamists, they blame us and have nothing to say about the Web site that posted it. It's a shameful approach." If MEMRI revealed its sources, moderate Muslims could discredit those sources, Amanullah said during an interview Friday. "I think it's great that somebody translates their stuff, but it made a lot of people think that Muslims, as a mass of people, were upset," he said. "Not only do Muslims, not care, I must know 50 Muslim Mac users."

Amanullah said that only articles about Danish cartoons mocking the Muslim prophet drew more reader reaction on altmuslim.com.
So when do we see Steven Jobs being burned in effigy?
Many Muslim Apple fans users posted humorous and serious discussions and declarations of their fondness for Apple and Macs. Some disagreed with the resemblance. Many who saw similarities said they were flattered. The overwhelming response on altmuslim.com consisted of Muslim declarations of fondness for the store and outrage that the issue even came up. Although they were fewer in number, there were also harsh criticisms of Muslims in general for taking offense.

"It hit a nerve on multiple levels," Amanullah said. "What surprised me is that people associate us here with the crackpots. That's what surprised me. I guess it just shows how sensitive that people are on both sides, with non-Muslims thinking we're all offended by everything and a sense among Muslims that they're under attack."
Hummm, because of stuff like this?
Abid Hussain, a British Muslim, was among those who felt attacked. He said in an e-mail, interview last week that he has lived in the U.K. his whole life and never felt a conflict between being a good British citizen and a good Muslim until the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks against the United States. "Ever since then, people from both sides have taken every opportunity they can get to stir up tensions," he said.

He said the posting about Apple was not representative of Muslims, but many people took it that way. "Muslims aren't offended," he said. "One idiot was, and it all has blown up into a mess."
Muslims vs Apple. One is a group of fanatical zelots who are easily offended and go on the attack whenever they feel their symbols or beliefs are questioned. The others are followers of Islam.
Posted by:Steve

#15  "Muslims aren't offended," he said. "One idiot was, and it all has blown up into a mess."

Oh, yeah? Well there's more than one idiot here, bub, and I didn't require a MEMRI translation to figure it out.

This was noted on LGF the other day. You'll note that virtually all the comments telling people to get a grip date from the day of the LGF post.
Posted by: Angie Schultz   2006-10-18 23:09  

#14  *snicker*
Posted by: trailing wife   2006-10-18 21:53  

#13  And I will resist the urge to count how many times Mr Amanullah used the letter "t" in his insulting response, though clearly meant to provoke Christians.
Posted by: bool   2006-10-18 16:22  

#12  I suppose I shouldnt be so offended by muslims constructing buildings using cross members or cross beams in their construction plans. Sorry everyone... I was way out of line.
Posted by: bool   2006-10-18 16:19  

#11  Have you guys ever seen an apple Vs pc war it is scary I tell you. :) :P
Posted by: djohn66   2006-10-18 14:49  

#10  Although its cube-shape may resemble the Ka'ba, the dimensions are different.

Simple solution, blow the Ka'ba to hell and nothing will ever resemble it ever again.

"What surprised me is that people associate us here with the crackpots.

It's only a surprise to you easily offended crackpots. It's no news to us sane people who are fucking fed up over having to deal with a bunch of skinless psycho fanatics who make unreasonable demands every five seconds.

That's what surprised me. I guess it just shows how sensitive that people are on both sides, with non-Muslims thinking we're all offended by everything and a sense among Muslims that they're under attack."

No. You are "offended by everything" and the rest of us are so damned sick of it that we are beginning to attack your sorry Muslim asses. Go back to your Islamic hell holes utopias and remind yourselves why you ever wanted to leave in the first place.
Posted by: Zenster   2006-10-18 13:50  

#9  THE ENEMY IS ISLAM (ptui)
Posted by: wxjames   2006-10-18 13:22  

#8  Apple's Fifth Avenue store in New York City "blasphemous" and an "insult to Islam"

they think that the fact that nonmuslims breathe is an "insult to Islam"
Posted by: PlanetDan   2006-10-18 12:55  

#7  If I were Apple, I'd be be very afraid for my glass box.
Posted by: Darrell   2006-10-18 12:24  

#6   "One idiot was, and it all has blown up into a mess." -which is what they'll say after some klinger runs in there w/a bomb belt.

"Muslims, why do they hate......prety much everything?"

-it's all in the koran bro'.

Seriously, if I couldn't drink a beer, look at fine women, watch sports, and had to live in a big kitty litter box & then had to pray five times a day on some diry ass rug to some prick, I'd be one miserably-touchy s.o.b. as well.
Posted by: Broadhead6   2006-10-18 12:11  

#5  Lol. Hardcore slackers and grunge-mungers - the Apple Krowd. :-)
Posted by: .com   2006-10-18 12:09  

#4  GREAT snark, Steve. LOL
Posted by: lotp   2006-10-18 12:09  

#3  I'm going to create a fatwa on Steve as soon as I can gin up an appropriate cutsey icon for it ...
Posted by: Steve White   2006-10-18 12:06  

#2  Muslims vs Apple. One is a group of fanatical zelots who are easily offended and go on the attack whenever they feel their symbols or beliefs are questioned. The others are followers of Islam.

Rofl!!!!! Coffee Alert!
Posted by: .com   2006-10-18 11:58  

#1  Two fat ladies, 88
Peado Mo's Bride, Number 9

http://www.meccabingo.com/

Posted by: Bright Pebbles in Blairistan   2006-10-18 11:54  

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