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| US, Britain consider eight Iraq options |
| 2006-10-22 |
| London and Washington are discussing a range of eight options for an exit strategy from Iraq as violence in the country continues to escalate, the Guardian newspaper reported on Saturday. The options include a phased withdrawal, the break-up of Iraq into three regions, and "one last push" - a short-term injection of troops to create enough security to build confidence in the Iraqi government, the paper said. The immediate withdrawal of coalition troops seems unlikely, the Guardian said, quoting an unnamed Foreign Office diplomat saying: "We could pull out now and leave them to their fate but the place would implode." An early exit would also constitute "an unpalatable humiliation" for the Bush administration, the paper added. However, it did suggest that British forces in the area would likely be slashed by half in the middle of next year, followed by further reductions later. A phased withdrawal is "still the likeliest option" but depends on Iraqi security forces becoming properly trained, the paper said. |
| Posted by:Fred |
| #18 .com "I'm not really all that lonely now", I know I'm not... but it will win us no friends". That knowledge is one of the things I like about Rantburg. But you ain’t whistlin’ Dixie that “to take on those amongst us, who look just like us, who are being voted into office by our neighbors or the moron in Big Blue City, who are the same in every way except they're Stalinist tools, etc. well now, that's a whole 'nuther thang”… Life sure can get interestin’... ... what the hell was the headline of this article? Oh yeah... Fuck dhimmitude. |
| Posted by: Hyper 2006-10-22 23:37 |
| #17 Everyone, please read the entire second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence. We have the power and the authority to make sweeping changes in how things work. All we need is the courage and the willingness to do so. Voting alone won't do it - the corruption is too deep. There is a second revolution coming. I only hope I live long enough to participate. |
| Posted by: Old Patriot 2006-10-22 20:11 |
| #16 It IS a two-front war---the home front and the "over-there" front. Make no mistake about it. *Syria and Iran have suffered NO consequences for their aiding and abetting the terrorist effort in Iraq. *Tater has suffered NO serious consequences (like a lead headache pill) for his little gangsta activities. *Terrorists caught by our troops get rotated out of jail just like the late Arafish's guyz in Gaza. No wonder we are having all this trouble in Iraq. Look at the message we are sending. This PC BS will kill us all. |
| Posted by: Alaska Paul 2006-10-22 14:08 |
| #15 In a representative democracy all legitimate / legal power flows from the vote. And, as JD may have subtly implied (???), there's also extracurricular work to be done where the law just doesn't cut it... where power flows from something else... So get out and vote. And arm up. Something along those lines... |
| Posted by: .com 2006-10-22 12:28 |
| #14 It will take massive civil disobediannce coordinated ny local crredible types with the authority to send the cops home while the nasty work gets done. |
| Posted by: J.D. Lux 2006-10-22 12:20 |
| #13 I'm thinking we'll hafta parallel process some stuff. I believe we sure need to get started right here at home, mucking out the stables (congress, MSM, Judiciary, ACLU, ANSWER, ISM, CAIR, etc), methinks. Declaring the front-orgs of our domestic enemies as, well, as enemies - just as we do for "charities" and such that contribute to Islamofascism - strikes me as the sort of effort that will serve as a force-multiplier as we take on the foreign challenges. I can't find anything here that I disagree with. My only question is, how do we accomplish all of this. In time. Oh, I know what I think is going to have to happen, but one doesn't dare say it out loud. And where do we find the people willing to make the sacrifice, and do the things that have to be done? |
| Posted by: NoBeards 2006-10-22 12:11 |
| #12 I've learned to never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by malice great quote. |
| Posted by: anon 2006-10-22 11:42 |
| #11 Hyper - No, sorry if I made it sound like I was alone, "I'm not really all that lonely now", I know I'm not... but it will win us no friends - and pull in the occasional trolls to say it. It's "okay" to rant and get hinky about people who are visibly different (man-dresses, turbans, kaffiyehs, head-bangin 5x per day, sawing off heads and making home movies of it, etc) - the evidence is clear people accept it, whether propaganda or legit - but to take on those amongst us, who look just like us, who are being voted into office by our neighbors or the moron in Big Blue City, who are the same in every way except they're Stalinist tools, etc. well now, that's a whole 'nuther thang. |
| Posted by: .com 2006-10-22 11:34 |
| #10 Echo that, .com Make no mistake. These leftist scumbags are deadly serious, knowing that attacking America from within weakens resolve and morale, thus providing material support for our enemies abroad. One of the many "champions of freedom" coddled within our universities, Chief Churchill, states: "I don't want other people in charge of the apparatus of the state as the outcome of a socially transformative process that replicates oppression (leftist gibberish decoder ring translation: change via voting-ed.). I want the state gone: transform the situation to U.S. out of North America. U.S. off the planet. Out of existence altogether." Satya Magazine interview 4/04. While living among these seditionists, and confronting them on-campus for their puke "progressive" ideals, I've learned to never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by malice (spoonerism of quote attributed to Napoleon). .com, you're not alone by a long shot. But more need to wake up to the fact that CAIR, ANSWER, etc. are cancerous parasites, and will not stop until they are stopped. |
| Posted by: Hyper 2006-10-22 10:24 |
| #9 The root causes are not in Iraq: - leftists in the West, Democrats in the USA, most media everywhere, anti-reason professors almost everywhere - totalitarian Moslems from Saudi Arabia to Pakistan, via Iran The only "exit strategy" discussed should be similar to the one policemen consider when they've cornered bankrobbers with their cars: Exit the car to shoot (or maim and capture) them unless they surrender unconditionally. We know our enemies won't surrender, because they either hate the West too much or they still think they can destroy our civilization. |
| Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) 2006-10-22 10:20 |
| #8 The stables are indeed full of horseshit. |
| Posted by: wearing muck boots 2006-10-22 09:00 |
| #7 I believe that's what the 2008 campaign will be about. If the donks were really smart, that's the position they'd advocate. But they'll leave it to the trunks who'll be afraid to touch it with a ten foot pole and the majority of Americans will be disgusted by the cowardice of their leaders. |
| Posted by: Nimble Spemble 2006-10-22 09:00 |
| #6 Heh, Dunno. I'm thinking we'll hafta parallel process some stuff. I believe we sure need to get started right here at home, mucking out the stables (congress, MSM, Judiciary, ACLU, ANSWER, ISM, CAIR, etc), methinks. Declaring the front-orgs of our domestic enemies as, well, as enemies - just as we do for "charities" and such that contribute to Islamofascism - strikes me as the sort of effort that will serve as a force-multiplier as we take on the foreign challenges. Yes, I am "evil" and will be seen and excoriated as such for awhile longer. But that's okay, I'm not really all that lonely now, and certainly won't be soon, I believe. :-) |
| Posted by: .com 2006-10-22 06:05 |
| #5 I hear that .com I have problem with the compartmental approach. I think we have done as much as we can in the current country, we need to follow the cause to it's root. Afterall these jihadis don't respect borders That means Iran...Next stop Saudi. We can't pretend they aren't contributing to our problem in Iraq and seal them off. They either got to cut the shit or we cut it for them. Otherwise we will protecting their borders for years before we protect ours. I used to think this should be long term strategy , but I think it's time to shorten it up a bit. |
| Posted by: Dunno 2006-10-22 05:49 |
| #4 Well okaaaay, then. Commence to wipin'... |
| Posted by: .com 2006-10-22 05:34 |
| #3 OS, shutting the spigot off means wiping Iran out as we currently know it, sealing the borders I don't think will stop it. |
| Posted by: Dunno 2006-10-22 05:05 |
| #2 You are right old spook! But it comes back to that old problem: we have the military force to do that but the political will is lacking because we have lost the PR battle in the media. That is where wars are fought in democracies: because the population no longer supports the government as in WWII but fights against it as in Vietnam. |
| Posted by: anon1 2006-10-22 00:45 |
| #1 Put thier trops in the cities - flood the zone. Double our troops for 6 months, put our most of our guys on the borders - lock out Iran and Syria, and provide a fire brigade (Strykers) to stiffen the spine of Iraqi forces when needed, and use one marine+army heavy combat brigade to bust up any nests like Fallujah. We need to shut the dmaned spigot off, so the Iraqis will ahve room to work and the enemy will not continually rearm and reinforce formoutside. IF it were Iraq, isolated, this whole thign would have been over a while back. I fault Bush in his inability to slam the door on Iran and Syria. |
| Posted by: Oldspook 2006-10-22 00:28 |